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I was told specifically that only one of the variants of 777 operated by EK would be suitable due to performance issues. I'm presuming this is a 300ER version with the extended wingtips.
Clearly due to runway legnth then there are MTOW restrictions, though some of this restriction in payload can be offset by lower fuel loads due to distance NCL-DXB being less than half the 7930 NM range of a 300ER. Even with a generic model such as the 300ER then there are still variables due to power plant as as can be seen from published data from Boeing :-
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/air...s/7772sec3.pdf
I'd guess that it would only be the very occasional combination of temperature / wind direction & speed that would necessitate a review of pre-planned daily payloads leading to potentially embarrassing additional "non fuel" weight restrictions.
Clearly due to runway legnth then there are MTOW restrictions, though some of this restriction in payload can be offset by lower fuel loads due to distance NCL-DXB being less than half the 7930 NM range of a 300ER. Even with a generic model such as the 300ER then there are still variables due to power plant as as can be seen from published data from Boeing :-
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/air...s/7772sec3.pdf
I'd guess that it would only be the very occasional combination of temperature / wind direction & speed that would necessitate a review of pre-planned daily payloads leading to potentially embarrassing additional "non fuel" weight restrictions.
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I see for S11 that the TCX RHO flight i a W pattern operating GLA-RHO-NCL-RHO-GLA. Does this mean a drop in aircraft capacity for NCL or just all aircraft utilised on this particular day
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Looking at the pattern you posted the aircraft starts and ends in Glasgow, this means that it is a Glasgow based machine. As long as NCL still has 3 based units then this represents an increase in capacity.
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B772/3 with RR engines has performance limitations at NCL, B777-300ER doesn't (GE90-115 a lot more powerful). Cargo/Pax loads are some way short of justifying the B773ER on permanent basis...
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How long did the route last? It sounds as though Frankfurt is bigger than AMS(where I am now, stiiiillll trying to get home after the volcano) for onward travel so could be a good destination.
Where is the free pick-up area these days? By the shelters or short stay? How long?
Where is the free pick-up area these days? By the shelters or short stay? How long?
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Wasn't it actually a BA flight using Birmingham European Gulf 1's? Routed BHX-NCL-FRA in the late eighties?
Problem with FRA is getting the slots - more lucrative routes to use them on.
Problem with FRA is getting the slots - more lucrative routes to use them on.
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In reading your historic posts over a long period then it is quite clear that you are not perhaps the luckiest of travellers.
Perhaps if you changed your name removing the
"ash" then things may be better going forwards.
In any event I'd be grateful if you could post your future arrangements well in advance this may prove to be of great assistance in ensuring the trouble free journeys of others
AMS(where I am now, stiiiillll trying to get home after the volcano)
Perhaps if you changed your name removing the
"ash" then things may be better going forwards.In any event I'd be grateful if you could post your future arrangements well in advance this may prove to be of great assistance in ensuring the trouble free journeys of others
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Home at last!!!
I remember saying in an email mid April that everything was going way too smoothly for one of my trips, must be saving it up for a biggie. How prophetic!
I wish you could read my email to China Airlines who abandoned their pax. No accommodation from them even though it was a flight from/to Europe. Not happy about my well known flight travel agent not replying to emails, either.
And as you may remember I don't like the KLM hop either, though to be fair it has been a lot better lately.
As far as this forum goes, though, NCL will suffer because of things out of it's control. I'm never using CI again so NCL will suffer as well (I don't like the 50/50 split journey with Emirates). Time to get to London by train or car and a single flight from there.
I remember saying in an email mid April that everything was going way too smoothly for one of my trips, must be saving it up for a biggie. How prophetic!
I wish you could read my email to China Airlines who abandoned their pax. No accommodation from them even though it was a flight from/to Europe. Not happy about my well known flight travel agent not replying to emails, either.
And as you may remember I don't like the KLM hop either, though to be fair it has been a lot better lately.
As far as this forum goes, though, NCL will suffer because of things out of it's control. I'm never using CI again so NCL will suffer as well (I don't like the 50/50 split journey with Emirates). Time to get to London by train or car and a single flight from there.
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Ok apologies if this is a really silly question but... how are the stands allocated at NCL? Do airlines get preference to certain stands, or is it more about practicalites/aircraft size.
I am by no means an expert, but I fly through the airport on a regular basis and have noticed it seems that Thomsons, BA and Emirates always seem to be on the bridges, while certain airlines (Jet2) always seem to end up as far from the terminal as possible.
I flew in last week, and a Thomas Cook 757 was on a bridge stand, but was boarded by stairs? Likewise, I have seen buses used to stands that are actually against the terminal! Do airlines pay extra for things like buses and bridges?
Again, sorry for a really really daft question, I am no expert, just an enthusiast who passes through a hell of a lot these days.
RTG!
I am by no means an expert, but I fly through the airport on a regular basis and have noticed it seems that Thomsons, BA and Emirates always seem to be on the bridges, while certain airlines (Jet2) always seem to end up as far from the terminal as possible.
I flew in last week, and a Thomas Cook 757 was on a bridge stand, but was boarded by stairs? Likewise, I have seen buses used to stands that are actually against the terminal! Do airlines pay extra for things like buses and bridges?
Again, sorry for a really really daft question, I am no expert, just an enthusiast who passes through a hell of a lot these days.
RTG!
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BE loads for NCL-BHD-NCL
Hi,
Can anyone please adivse what the general loads are like on Fri NCL-BHD, and Sun BHD-NCL, I am wanting to get a standby ticket and wondered if I'll have any bother?
Cheers,
Stu
Can anyone please adivse what the general loads are like on Fri NCL-BHD, and Sun BHD-NCL, I am wanting to get a standby ticket and wondered if I'll have any bother?
Cheers,
Stu
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Kuwait Airways
Hello
As I was departing as SLF to BRU this morning, a Kuwait Airways landed at NCL. I think the reg was 9K-AMB. I didn't see any passengers get off.
Anyone know why it came to NCL?
As I was departing as SLF to BRU this morning, a Kuwait Airways landed at NCL. I think the reg was 9K-AMB. I didn't see any passengers get off.
Anyone know why it came to NCL?
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This would be one of the periodic freight charters operated into NCL by Kuwait Airways on behalf of their Government
I have been flying SLF alomst every week for the last three years through NCL and have never seen it before.
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The stands are allocated seasonally in to our stand planning software, although there can be many stand changes on any given day due to operational delays, slots, aircraft type changes or stands out of service ect. The actual allocation of the stand is based on the size of aircraft and what the aircraft is actually doing. Domestic - domestic, intetnational - international or domestic - international. Only certain stands can be used for domestic - international , international - domestic. For example, an easy jet from Palma and out to Bristol would usually be allocated a dual stand so the passengers can be walked off in to international arrivals and then be walked from a domestic gate on to the aircraft for the outbound flight. We work closely with the control authorities to ensure we remain compliant with DFT regulations (we can't just put them where we want).
Yes it's more about practicalities. Although there are many occasions when the Pier stands all have aircraft on them and we have to park remote.
BA will always get the airbridge on stand 3 as they are the only domestic carrier who will pay for the use of it. The remaining stands with airbridges are all used by the remaining airlines. Although Emirates will always get the airbridge on the end of the Pier, for 2 reasons. 1) It's the only stand on the Pier that can accommodate an A330 2) It's Emirates.
Jet 2 did tend to stand around for days at a time during the winter season, therefore we would allocate it a remote stand. Regarding the TCX on an airbridge stand and not using the airbridge, this could of been down to a number of reasons. The airbridge may of been out of service or the ground staff may not have been trained to operate it.
Hope I've answered your questions, I've tried to keep my answers as simple as possible without going in to too much detail.
The stands are allocated seasonally in to our stand planning software, although there can be many stand changes on any given day due to operational delays, slots, aircraft type changes or stands out of service ect. The actual allocation of the stand is based on the size of aircraft and what the aircraft is actually doing. Domestic - domestic, intetnational - international or domestic - international. Only certain stands can be used for domestic - international , international - domestic. For example, an easy jet from Palma and out to Bristol would usually be allocated a dual stand so the passengers can be walked off in to international arrivals and then be walked from a domestic gate on to the aircraft for the outbound flight. We work closely with the control authorities to ensure we remain compliant with DFT regulations (we can't just put them where we want).
Yes it's more about practicalities. Although there are many occasions when the Pier stands all have aircraft on them and we have to park remote.
BA will always get the airbridge on stand 3 as they are the only domestic carrier who will pay for the use of it. The remaining stands with airbridges are all used by the remaining airlines. Although Emirates will always get the airbridge on the end of the Pier, for 2 reasons. 1) It's the only stand on the Pier that can accommodate an A330 2) It's Emirates.
Jet 2 did tend to stand around for days at a time during the winter season, therefore we would allocate it a remote stand. Regarding the TCX on an airbridge stand and not using the airbridge, this could of been down to a number of reasons. The airbridge may of been out of service or the ground staff may not have been trained to operate it.
Hope I've answered your questions, I've tried to keep my answers as simple as possible without going in to too much detail.