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Thomson holidays have added ssh from dtv for winter 10/11
Will try and get a hold of the brochure and see if there is anything new!
Hopefully luxor should be tried again
Will try and get a hold of the brochure and see if there is anything new!
Hopefully luxor should be tried again
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I think it was fog and therefore visibility issues, similar to lba. Most diversions from both went to mme and literally filled their ramp as they landed all one after another there. A job well done to the people at mme who coped with that volume of planes in a short space of time which is unfortunately a rare sight. Will have been interesting at baggage reclaim as only two carousels there 
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EK into Newcastle
With the A380 going into Manchester in Sept this year. This actually may have a negative effect on NCL.
EK will be looking to fill this plane which carries 14 first class, 76 business class and 399 economy passengers = 489 total. Compared to the A330 27 business and 251 economy = 278 total.
That leaves 211 passengers to find to fill the A380. Some, but how many will defect off the NCL flight ?
When will the EK NCL flight become non- viable ?
MAN also has a designated EK only lounge for its business and first class passengers
The pull of the plane and the lounge could be prove irresistable.
NCL was rumoured to be MAN's third flight before it started and could easily be pulled if passenger numbers transfer to the A380 saving EK alot of costs.
EK despite constant rumours have still not changed the A330 after 2.25 years.
I don't mean to be mr doom and gloom, but NCL must be realistic in the future and fight to keep EK there.
I really hope NCL keeps EK , but with the catchment area and present pax numbers nothing is guaranteed.
EK will be looking to fill this plane which carries 14 first class, 76 business class and 399 economy passengers = 489 total. Compared to the A330 27 business and 251 economy = 278 total.
That leaves 211 passengers to find to fill the A380. Some, but how many will defect off the NCL flight ?
When will the EK NCL flight become non- viable ?
MAN also has a designated EK only lounge for its business and first class passengers
The pull of the plane and the lounge could be prove irresistable.
NCL was rumoured to be MAN's third flight before it started and could easily be pulled if passenger numbers transfer to the A380 saving EK alot of costs.
EK despite constant rumours have still not changed the A330 after 2.25 years.
I don't mean to be mr doom and gloom, but NCL must be realistic in the future and fight to keep EK there.
I really hope NCL keeps EK , but with the catchment area and present pax numbers nothing is guaranteed.
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It's not all doom and gloom!
What a lot of doom and gloom merchants there appear to be around at present - must be something to do with the weather. Emirates NCL-DXB service is getting along fine and is not threatened by whatever may happen at Manchester. Can't agree with the maths, FFC, as while there is a 211 seat difference between an EK A330-200 and an A380 the difference at Manchester is going to be between a Boeing 777-300 and an Airbus A380 which is somewhat less! If we all step back, the EK service from NCL has had to contend with the worst economic conditions since before the airport was built so the fact that it is still flying, passenger and cargo numbers are increasing and good yields are probably being achieved given the fares that are being sought whenever I look we should all take as positive. As for a 777 on the route, that will happen at some stage - no real issues with payload as far as I am aware as the prevailing winds are also blowing in the right direction en-route.
As for the impact on other airlines by EK the impact looks to have been minor. Sure, some passengers will have transferred but the market looks to have grown significantly as a result of EK's arrival into Newcastle - I guess this will include people captured back from other airports including Heathrow and Gatwick, people making trips they would not have otherwise made and other new business. Interesting to see in the Journal how many North East businesses appear to be doing more business on Emirates route network - by taking advantage of the greater global connectivity the route has brought to this region.
As for KLM's going to three flights a day to Amsterdam, just can't understand their thinking on this but good to see fourth flight returns this summer. Perhaps they have realised they need four daily flights at Newcastle to remain competitive in the marketplace. My guess is with or without EK they may have been at three this winter anyway as they have had a tough time as an airline recently.
Brussels Airlines numbers must be an effect of the time of year and the recent bad weather. I would expect them to pick up as awareness grows of the schedule change.
It will soon be spring so hopefully we can all feel more cheerful soon!
As for the impact on other airlines by EK the impact looks to have been minor. Sure, some passengers will have transferred but the market looks to have grown significantly as a result of EK's arrival into Newcastle - I guess this will include people captured back from other airports including Heathrow and Gatwick, people making trips they would not have otherwise made and other new business. Interesting to see in the Journal how many North East businesses appear to be doing more business on Emirates route network - by taking advantage of the greater global connectivity the route has brought to this region.
As for KLM's going to three flights a day to Amsterdam, just can't understand their thinking on this but good to see fourth flight returns this summer. Perhaps they have realised they need four daily flights at Newcastle to remain competitive in the marketplace. My guess is with or without EK they may have been at three this winter anyway as they have had a tough time as an airline recently.
Brussels Airlines numbers must be an effect of the time of year and the recent bad weather. I would expect them to pick up as awareness grows of the schedule change.
It will soon be spring so hopefully we can all feel more cheerful soon!
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Looks like Newcastle is getting further cuts from the so-called 'world's favourite airline' Ryanair. Dublin down further from 9 to 7 flights a week and still with the poor 6.25am timing of the return flight Monday to Friday. Girona route dropped after 30 April.
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Well done GAXLN!
Why are people so eternally pessimistic? If Manchester's EK capacity goes up, it doesn't necessarily mean they're about to cut Newcastle from the network. EK cleverly realised that there was potential for a long haul to Dubai and beyond, no doubt aware that Geordies were already doing that via LHR, AMS and CDG.
True, the catchment area isn't huge and most definitely not in the most prosperous part of the UK, but there is still a functioning region here which needs all the trappings of a successful economy which includes a decent airport.
Newcastle Airport is decent and although lots of things could be improved in terms of routes and frequencies, it hasn't sold out to the "all or nothing" merchants that are Ryanair and there continues to be a good mix of airlines serving the city. The return of 4 flights to AMS in summer is to be welcomed as well of course the increase of frequencies to BRU. If only offerings to Germany, Poland and northern Italy could be improved (which seems to be easily managed elsewhere in the UK), then the range of destinations would be respectable bearing in mind the size of the airport and the region it serves.
Why are people so eternally pessimistic? If Manchester's EK capacity goes up, it doesn't necessarily mean they're about to cut Newcastle from the network. EK cleverly realised that there was potential for a long haul to Dubai and beyond, no doubt aware that Geordies were already doing that via LHR, AMS and CDG.
True, the catchment area isn't huge and most definitely not in the most prosperous part of the UK, but there is still a functioning region here which needs all the trappings of a successful economy which includes a decent airport.
Newcastle Airport is decent and although lots of things could be improved in terms of routes and frequencies, it hasn't sold out to the "all or nothing" merchants that are Ryanair and there continues to be a good mix of airlines serving the city. The return of 4 flights to AMS in summer is to be welcomed as well of course the increase of frequencies to BRU. If only offerings to Germany, Poland and northern Italy could be improved (which seems to be easily managed elsewhere in the UK), then the range of destinations would be respectable bearing in mind the size of the airport and the region it serves.
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Well said GAXLN, as some one who used the service eight times last year the loads are on the up. Last two flights were four spare seats and six over booked, some upgrades going that flight!
I for one would not go to Manchester, 6-7 hour flight only to battle the M62/M1 for another 3 hours, no would much rather go back to going via AMS/CDG or heaven forbid even LHR!! However cannot see EK dropping the service so will continue with EK035/6!
I for one would not go to Manchester, 6-7 hour flight only to battle the M62/M1 for another 3 hours, no would much rather go back to going via AMS/CDG or heaven forbid even LHR!! However cannot see EK dropping the service so will continue with EK035/6!
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Ek and FR
I agree well said EK is grown and will be upgrade.
As for FR maybe they will pull the off dublin altogether.
The airport defo don't Want them here and FR don't want to pay what they are being charge!
If rumours are true about aer lingus returning using aer arran atr's 2x daily then figures should go up.
Hopefully EI will give shannon a go also maybe 4 x weekly using the atr's also.
As for FR maybe they will pull the off dublin altogether.
The airport defo don't Want them here and FR don't want to pay what they are being charge!
If rumours are true about aer lingus returning using aer arran atr's 2x daily then figures should go up.
Hopefully EI will give shannon a go also maybe 4 x weekly using the atr's also.
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Used the EK service to oz over xmas and new year,first time flying with EK.
The flights were full out & back,crew were very friendly and proffesional.
The A330 though is starting to show its age,very uncomfortable seats, IFE had to be rebooted a few times....hopefully they will upgrade to a 777 in the future,(200LR which was my connection at dubai was fantastic!).
Hopefully the good people of the north east will keep supporting this service.
As for me,....will prob go back to singapore from MAN next time i visit down under,.....theres just someting about those singapore girls!!!!!
All the best
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The flights were full out & back,crew were very friendly and proffesional.
The A330 though is starting to show its age,very uncomfortable seats, IFE had to be rebooted a few times....hopefully they will upgrade to a 777 in the future,(200LR which was my connection at dubai was fantastic!).
Hopefully the good people of the north east will keep supporting this service.
As for me,....will prob go back to singapore from MAN next time i visit down under,.....theres just someting about those singapore girls!!!!!
All the best
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aer lingus thread
Someone has stated on the above that all EI uk routes to dublin except from lhr/lgw will transfer to RE from march.
3 atr 72 aircraft will be used on the routes and ncl will be added.
Hopefully there is room in the timetables for 2x daily to ensure the route works for them this time around!
3 atr 72 aircraft will be used on the routes and ncl will be added.
Hopefully there is room in the timetables for 2x daily to ensure the route works for them this time around!
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Seems the "we don't want them here" is true about FR. I think this is a foolish move. I hear FR wanted a base at NCL but the management are doing a manchester with them. I think we will soon see some response from FR, maybe a few aircraft down the road at MME taking pax that would have flown to and from NCL.
Turn away the biggest carrier in Europe, smart move, not!
Turn away the biggest carrier in Europe, smart move, not!
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Look at it a slightly different way. Look at FR at manchester.
If they did base at ncl and were given cheaper rates then easyjet and flybe wouldn't expand as it would be unfair to them.
After a few years ncl would try to increase charges and FR would then leave if they didn't get what they needed.
By this time the airport would then have to crawl back to the likes of easyjet and jet2.
As for dtv getting FR I can't see it. They couldn't fill the planes on the routes they had.
Think dtv need a smaller airline first FR have to big aircraft. Dtv needs to start making some money before they charge next to nothing to get FR to base!
Could be wrong with the above what do you guys think? FR at ncl would be good to get pax numbers up but would need to be treated the same as the other airlines!!
Look at it a slightly different way. Look at FR at manchester.
If they did base at ncl and were given cheaper rates then easyjet and flybe wouldn't expand as it would be unfair to them.
After a few years ncl would try to increase charges and FR would then leave if they didn't get what they needed.
By this time the airport would then have to crawl back to the likes of easyjet and jet2.
As for dtv getting FR I can't see it. They couldn't fill the planes on the routes they had.
Think dtv need a smaller airline first FR have to big aircraft. Dtv needs to start making some money before they charge next to nothing to get FR to base!
Could be wrong with the above what do you guys think? FR at ncl would be good to get pax numbers up but would need to be treated the same as the other airlines!!
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HH6702. I see what you are saying, but I am sure when easy first came they had a good deal, so why shouldn't Ryanair now. If FR did decide to go to MME, I'm sure they could fill the planes, and it would hurt NCL.
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I am not a great FR fan but can see both sides of the argument on this issue. Yes giving FR a great deal may upset the likes of EZY or LS but has this happened elsewhere? So far EZY have not cut back at Liverpool or Bristol (in fact the opposite is the case) or LS at Leeds.
A while back I also posted my concerns at EZY cutbacks at NCL were similar to what happened at EMA, before the pull out there. NCL is still not progressing as a base for EZY and I am still rather concerned about how committed they are to a future at NCL.
A while back I also posted my concerns at EZY cutbacks at NCL were similar to what happened at EMA, before the pull out there. NCL is still not progressing as a base for EZY and I am still rather concerned about how committed they are to a future at NCL.