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Don't see anything on sale for 2017 so there is the clue.....only available option is via DUB.
Last year the announcement for 2016 was on 17/09/15.
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Lets hope thats not true. Loads seem to be decent at the moment.
However the continued fall in the value of the pound and uncertainty must have some effect on this route and others. Will be interesting to look back when we get to Aug 2017 and see what did actually happen to many routes as a result of Brexit.
However the continued fall in the value of the pound and uncertainty must have some effect on this route and others. Will be interesting to look back when we get to Aug 2017 and see what did actually happen to many routes as a result of Brexit.
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It was stated last week the Airport will talk with United in the comming weeks we heard the exact same title tattle last year. If it doesnt return then its a shame but late May- early September is hardly like losing a daily year round route like EK.Should UA leave NCL then IMO the Airport should channel the USA connection towards a carrier like Icelandair to open up North America via KEF , Great onwards connections to the States from their hub and already heading in the right direction instead of flying east to AMS or South to busy CDG/LHR
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Service is doing better than last year by around 10% last time I looked at figures.
It still needs another year or 2 to prove it will work.
I wouldn't believe anything until official statements however would seem very odd when papers reporting year round??
Maybe airport has another airline ready to take over (delta, AA??)
It still needs another year or 2 to prove it will work.
I wouldn't believe anything until official statements however would seem very odd when papers reporting year round??
Maybe airport has another airline ready to take over (delta, AA??)
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Just a thought - Could it be possible rumour has started by handling staff (seasonal temporary) have been given notice before end of this year's season, and this has since been added to and exaggerated. Can't see United advising handling agent on an arrangement, before a major meeting with airport executives is planned at the end of this season to discuss/negotiate the service being extended next year -Is there a reliable source for this info. There would be no need to advise handling agent 9 months in advance of a possible May start of a 2017 season.
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Just a thought - Could it be possible rumour has started by handling staff (seasonal temporary) have been given notice before end of this year's season, and this has since been added to and exaggerated. Can't see United advising handling agent on an arrangement, before a major meeting with airport executives is planned at the end of this season to discuss/negotiate the service being extended next year -Is there a reliable source for this info. There would be no need to advise handling agent 9 months in advance of a possible May start of a 2017 season.
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Newcastle wouldnt be on sale anyway surely as stated last week the airport will be talking with United soon about next season. Dont believe all this he said she said until its been confirmed by NCL theirself.
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UA being dropped
Yeah the handling agent staff have been told because that is half of their work. They have a roster and the staff do both the UA and the EK. Your argument for seasonals doesn't stack up because all the staff on the UA EK roster are full time permanent. Once the UA has departed, checkin for the EK opens, so yes I would say that the handling agent would tell their staff. All of the staff on the UA/EK roster were hauled in to the landside management office and told by the Shift Manager that an official announcement would be coming out shortly, but UA have dropped NCL because of poor sales. If you don't believe it, you'll see shortly.
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There seems little point in the airport having talks with the airline if the decision has already been made. We did have all these rumours last year and then came the announcement of an extra days operation. Another explanation could be they want to change Handling Agent.
In the absence of figures from the CAA for May onwards it is hard to judge how the route is doing but figures appear to be up and Business and premium appear to be having a higher take-up this year which would bump up yield.
In the absence of figures from the CAA for May onwards it is hard to judge how the route is doing but figures appear to be up and Business and premium appear to be having a higher take-up this year which would bump up yield.
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Newcastle will be the only airport in the uk for United not on sale as we are the only airport that is a seasonal service.
What about the other routes to Europe that are seasonal each year are they on sale yet?
Will try and work out the figures again over the next few days haven't had a chance over the last few weeks but June was very good
What about the other routes to Europe that are seasonal each year are they on sale yet?
Will try and work out the figures again over the next few days haven't had a chance over the last few weeks but June was very good
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And the loads ok !
NCL Loads from the seat-maps - 16/45/108 config
Today outbound 10-15-83 = 108 inbound 8-17-103 = 128
Tomorrow outbound 14-20-101 = 135 inbound 9-20-108 = 137
Saturday outbound 14-17-103 = 134 inbound 11-13-104 = 128
NCL Loads from the seat-maps - 16/45/108 config
Today outbound 10-15-83 = 108 inbound 8-17-103 = 128
Tomorrow outbound 14-20-101 = 135 inbound 9-20-108 = 137
Saturday outbound 14-17-103 = 134 inbound 11-13-104 = 128
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Newcastle will be the only airport in the uk for United not on sale as we are the only airport that is a seasonal service.
What about the other routes to Europe that are seasonal each year are they on sale yet?
Will try and work out the figures again over the next few days haven't had a chance over the last few weeks but June was very good
What about the other routes to Europe that are seasonal each year are they on sale yet?
Will try and work out the figures again over the next few days haven't had a chance over the last few weeks but June was very good
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I'll wait for the official announcement... I hope they haven't canned us just yet
If they did daily March-October for 2017, then canned it, I'd give them their due... If they announced daily March-October S17 then reduced (4/5 weekly?) winter schedule W17/18 and then decided to can it... I'd respect them for trying their very best
2 seasonal summers, with an increased frequency for the 2nd summer, and then canning it - in my opinion - can't give a representative result regarding demand
If they did daily March-October for 2017, then canned it, I'd give them their due... If they announced daily March-October S17 then reduced (4/5 weekly?) winter schedule W17/18 and then decided to can it... I'd respect them for trying their very best
2 seasonal summers, with an increased frequency for the 2nd summer, and then canning it - in my opinion - can't give a representative result regarding demand
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The first seasonal toe in the water didn't come close to persuading them to go year round off the bat, some routes actually do. The late announcement for 2016 and the fact the route has done OK but not stellar given it is by far the fastest way from NCL to the US and the only non stop service on a hub carrier suggests the market is a little soft for United.
They have only so many B757s and as soon as a better business case for that aircraft's use can be made elsewhere, it's the most mobile of assets, it's gone.
BRS failed as it was too close to LHR, BFS hangs by a thread and subsidy, BHX has plateaued at once daily, twice daily having killed yields. Remember NCL has a number of good options connecting West but only one sensible option going East, that's why Emirates have a true monopoly and United have a seasonal holiday flight. Such a shame IMHO!
They have only so many B757s and as soon as a better business case for that aircraft's use can be made elsewhere, it's the most mobile of assets, it's gone.
BRS failed as it was too close to LHR, BFS hangs by a thread and subsidy, BHX has plateaued at once daily, twice daily having killed yields. Remember NCL has a number of good options connecting West but only one sensible option going East, that's why Emirates have a true monopoly and United have a seasonal holiday flight. Such a shame IMHO!
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To be honest I doubt anyone will agree with me, but I think more Star Alliance presence at Newcastle would help out - regular travelers could at least have the option of using one alliance, one stop east and west to most destinations, where traveling with existing carriers may require 2 or more stops
If we had a link to Frankfurt, or perhaps Zurich, it would allow people to use Star alliance travelling East and West on different business trips with LH/UA or LX/UA (as well as Brussels Airlines perhaps, most likely for Africa)
It would probably take time to build up the following, but every little helps doesn't it?
If this week's loads are representative of the whole season, I can't see why they wouldn't give us at least one last proper shot... I'm not ready to say goodbye yet
If we had a link to Frankfurt, or perhaps Zurich, it would allow people to use Star alliance travelling East and West on different business trips with LH/UA or LX/UA (as well as Brussels Airlines perhaps, most likely for Africa)
It would probably take time to build up the following, but every little helps doesn't it?
If this week's loads are representative of the whole season, I can't see why they wouldn't give us at least one last proper shot... I'm not ready to say goodbye yet
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Yeah the handling agent staff have been told because that is half of their work. They have a roster and the staff do both the UA and the EK. Your argument for seasonals doesn't stack up because all the staff on the UA EK roster are full time permanent. Once the UA has departed, checkin for the EK opens, so yes I would say that the handling agent would tell their staff. All of the staff on the UA/EK roster were hauled in to the landside management office and told by the Shift Manager that an official announcement would be coming out shortly, but UA have dropped NCL because of poor sales. If you don't believe it, you'll see shortly.