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TLV -EL AL and Easyjet are both looking at it from what I heard months ago however can't see easyjet doing it and I know EL AL don't have a spare 737 until late 2017/18
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If EL AL couldn't make MAN work how on earth could they possibly make NCL work, it's beyond me unless there is a very high demand for a TLV route which in all honesty I can't see.
As to Vueling on NCL to LGW I can't see them operating any UK domestics especially that route.
Where are all these 'rumours' coming from?
As to Vueling on NCL to LGW I can't see them operating any UK domestics especially that route.
Where are all these 'rumours' coming from?
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The 'rumours' come from Vueling and easyJet respectively. Speaking with various people from each around the networks (not cleaners). I am not saying it will happen, I could not possibly know, I am merely passing on what I have been told.
Vueling is unusual for domestics yes, but have apparently approached LGW and EZY re: slots.
Whether people can 'see it happening' or not is irrelevant, it is information from what I would consider a credible source, not a wishlist of 25 European destinations that I would love to look at on the departure board, but never use, which makes a nice change.
It may not come to fruition in the end, in which case so be it
Vueling is unusual for domestics yes, but have apparently approached LGW and EZY re: slots.
Whether people can 'see it happening' or not is irrelevant, it is information from what I would consider a credible source, not a wishlist of 25 European destinations that I would love to look at on the departure board, but never use, which makes a nice change.
It may not come to fruition in the end, in which case so be it
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Of course we're at no risk of losing Spanish beach destinations (excluding Almeria and Murcia), Portugal, the Canaries and most of Greece BUT, it'll be places like Rome, Pisa, Krakow, Prague, Warsaw, Wroclaw, Gdansk, Nice, Split, Geneva, Barcelona, maybe Dublin etc. that get dropped or schedules cut. Which is a bloody shame because it seems like city routes were just becoming attractive from NCL(again?)
Of course, if/when Scotland goes independent, and when they devolve APD we can wave goodbye to 25% of our traffic at least, I'd say UA would go, EZY would give up, Jet2 would definitely stagnate/remove an aircraft or 2 and EK might start to struggle.
I can't see there being a need for NCL-BRU when we leave... Leisure travellers aren't going to pay £250 to fly Bmi direct, they'll fly with FR from EDI/MAN for £30. Bmir at NCL pretty much depends on us being in Europe. I don't know what passenger demographics are like on NCL-SVG? But I very much doubt they'd keep that as a standalone route, or even replace BRU.
Just as the regions were gaining a bit of traction I think this vote is going to have drastic, detrimental effects. After all it's not like the EU is going to make it an easy transition for us is it? I'm more worried about places like BHX and MAN, and to an extent (before they go independent) GLA and EDI. They've gained so much recently, they have a lot to lose
I hope I'm scaremongering and overreacting but I'm very worried and angry about this vote. I just hope people voted for the right reasons and it doesn't backfire.
Long_Final, I'm not sure if the "25 routes I'll never use" comment was directed at me, and I get where you're coming from but most of the routes I've mentioned I would use, and know people that would use them. For example, on Sunday I'm flying NCL-BRU-MXP, and 8 days later VCE-BRU-NCL. I was lucky to get affordable flights on Brussels Airlines/Bmi, a direct flight would have been much easier. In September, I'm flying NCL-DUS-MUC-PVG/PVG-FRA-DUS-NCL, again cheap flights, but NCL-FRA-PVG would have been much easier. Final example, Athens in January - Flying from Edinburgh. I know that's a more unlikely route but my point still stands, I'm sure Ryanair/easyjet could make some demand for it, as often happens with low cost airlines.... I've never thought of visiting Wroclaw, but I'm very tempted to now because of the direct flights starting.
R.e Vueling, NCL-LGW. I'd love to see that, more than FR, NCL-STN or EZY, NCL-LGW/STN. Would Vueling be eligible to have BA codeshare at LGW, I could see them onto a winner there. UNLESS, as you said SWBKCB, Thursday made them change their mind
I don't see Turkish a likelihood anymore either :/ I'd have thought they were next
Of course, if/when Scotland goes independent, and when they devolve APD we can wave goodbye to 25% of our traffic at least, I'd say UA would go, EZY would give up, Jet2 would definitely stagnate/remove an aircraft or 2 and EK might start to struggle.
I can't see there being a need for NCL-BRU when we leave... Leisure travellers aren't going to pay £250 to fly Bmi direct, they'll fly with FR from EDI/MAN for £30. Bmir at NCL pretty much depends on us being in Europe. I don't know what passenger demographics are like on NCL-SVG? But I very much doubt they'd keep that as a standalone route, or even replace BRU.
Just as the regions were gaining a bit of traction I think this vote is going to have drastic, detrimental effects. After all it's not like the EU is going to make it an easy transition for us is it? I'm more worried about places like BHX and MAN, and to an extent (before they go independent) GLA and EDI. They've gained so much recently, they have a lot to lose
I hope I'm scaremongering and overreacting but I'm very worried and angry about this vote. I just hope people voted for the right reasons and it doesn't backfire.
Long_Final, I'm not sure if the "25 routes I'll never use" comment was directed at me, and I get where you're coming from but most of the routes I've mentioned I would use, and know people that would use them. For example, on Sunday I'm flying NCL-BRU-MXP, and 8 days later VCE-BRU-NCL. I was lucky to get affordable flights on Brussels Airlines/Bmi, a direct flight would have been much easier. In September, I'm flying NCL-DUS-MUC-PVG/PVG-FRA-DUS-NCL, again cheap flights, but NCL-FRA-PVG would have been much easier. Final example, Athens in January - Flying from Edinburgh. I know that's a more unlikely route but my point still stands, I'm sure Ryanair/easyjet could make some demand for it, as often happens with low cost airlines.... I've never thought of visiting Wroclaw, but I'm very tempted to now because of the direct flights starting.
R.e Vueling, NCL-LGW. I'd love to see that, more than FR, NCL-STN or EZY, NCL-LGW/STN. Would Vueling be eligible to have BA codeshare at LGW, I could see them onto a winner there. UNLESS, as you said SWBKCB, Thursday made them change their mind
I don't see Turkish a likelihood anymore either :/ I'd have thought they were next
I may have missed this, but looks like Eastern's NCL-BHX route isn't bookable after 20 July - and it isn't a summer-holidays suspension either, as I can't find any future dates bookable. Can anyone confirm - is this the end?
Real World?
EK. I enjoy your out of the bubble thinking,your parachiol support of EGNT and your superb optimism!!
Me thinks you,as a youngish member...are very fortunate in the travels you do...I would guess 90%. Maybe more would love to fly as much as you do! Unfortunately for you 52% (and more)of the U.K. live in the real ,hard and sometimes difficult world we are part of ,hence the vote!
Times change...they always have and always will....new opportunities,new routes,new Ideas! Exciting times we live in?
Me thinks you,as a youngish member...are very fortunate in the travels you do...I would guess 90%. Maybe more would love to fly as much as you do! Unfortunately for you 52% (and more)of the U.K. live in the real ,hard and sometimes difficult world we are part of ,hence the vote!
Times change...they always have and always will....new opportunities,new routes,new Ideas! Exciting times we live in?
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Highwideandugly, yes I must admit I have been very lucky with travelling, and the next year/18 months of travel is due to having just finished school, entered the world of work and discovered what it's like to get paid at the end of every month, with little responsibility outside not quite completely blowing every single penny of it :P
I do, however, understand. Not wanting to cause thread drift but I did see remain as the safest option. I have just come out of the education system, work in the public sector and I aspire to be a pilot. These three things I suspect will be (further) detrimentally effected by leaving, despite the claim of more money for the NHS and education I'm afraid I don't trust anyone in Westminster as far as I could throw them. It's also my rights as an NHS employee that I'm worried about changing, such as working hours and workload. With regards to piloting, that was, expensive, difficult and competitive enough! And now the few UK jobs for new starts will probably disappear and I'll be less attractive for EU airlines on account of having to pay for visas etc.
For the record I must say I'm not amazingly happy with the EU either, there is a lot to be desired there as well, but I felt that remain was the best course for me. But I do respect people who have made an informed decision on voting to leave. I just don't think going it alone ever really helps very much.
I wouldn't quite say parochial like... But I am optimistic and I have faith in my local airport, I wish others would. I know it's limited but I also know it could do a lot more. If I'm honest we probably have too much... LS/EZY/TOM/TCX/FR all limit what eachother can do. Competition is good but not when it impedes eachother's/their own growth
I do, however, understand. Not wanting to cause thread drift but I did see remain as the safest option. I have just come out of the education system, work in the public sector and I aspire to be a pilot. These three things I suspect will be (further) detrimentally effected by leaving, despite the claim of more money for the NHS and education I'm afraid I don't trust anyone in Westminster as far as I could throw them. It's also my rights as an NHS employee that I'm worried about changing, such as working hours and workload. With regards to piloting, that was, expensive, difficult and competitive enough! And now the few UK jobs for new starts will probably disappear and I'll be less attractive for EU airlines on account of having to pay for visas etc.
For the record I must say I'm not amazingly happy with the EU either, there is a lot to be desired there as well, but I felt that remain was the best course for me. But I do respect people who have made an informed decision on voting to leave. I just don't think going it alone ever really helps very much.
I wouldn't quite say parochial like... But I am optimistic and I have faith in my local airport, I wish others would. I know it's limited but I also know it could do a lot more. If I'm honest we probably have too much... LS/EZY/TOM/TCX/FR all limit what eachother can do. Competition is good but not when it impedes eachother's/their own growth
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Stay or go I'm sure people made their decision based on what will provide the most good for the greatest amount of people.
I would expect failed management are happy about it and will use it for all sorts of brexcuses. If somethings not working, not performing well then they will be cut and Brexit used as a blanket excuse for poor management in a whole host of industries. It is the ultimate get out of jail card for today's MBAs - "it wasn't my fault Mrs Shareholder, can I still have my millions please?".
EK - you've changed your tune. You've always wanted more and more operators and a FR base. Has the penny dropped that there's only so much trade to go around the airlines? Not only that but the arrival of new operators trashes yields as they cherry pick routes and over supply them.
Supply is good. The further we get from the days if the £600 Europe return the better however over supply and you'll not be any better off as frequencies.
There will be two new routes announced very soon apparently.
I would expect failed management are happy about it and will use it for all sorts of brexcuses. If somethings not working, not performing well then they will be cut and Brexit used as a blanket excuse for poor management in a whole host of industries. It is the ultimate get out of jail card for today's MBAs - "it wasn't my fault Mrs Shareholder, can I still have my millions please?".
EK - you've changed your tune. You've always wanted more and more operators and a FR base. Has the penny dropped that there's only so much trade to go around the airlines? Not only that but the arrival of new operators trashes yields as they cherry pick routes and over supply them.
Supply is good. The further we get from the days if the £600 Europe return the better however over supply and you'll not be any better off as frequencies.
There will be two new routes announced very soon apparently.
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EK - not sure about the logistics of the VY LGW just yet, but would certainly be an interesting addition. I hear their BCN hasn't got off to the best start, although numbers are picking up. EZY pax figures haven't suffered so maybe there will room for both to continue.
Its a shame EZY don't have the a/c availability to run TFS and LPA year round from NCL, particularly TFS however will be a welcome addition to the winter schedule. SXF to be operated by SXF a/c, not that it matters, any expansion is good.
Its a shame EZY don't have the a/c availability to run TFS and LPA year round from NCL, particularly TFS however will be a welcome addition to the winter schedule. SXF to be operated by SXF a/c, not that it matters, any expansion is good.
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Who knows. It's inevitable that the PMI will be operated from there next year. BCN a could be too so that could free up an aircraft to do the canaries year round.
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I haven't changed by tune really... Airlines at NCL are stepping on each others toes a bit, but far from trashing eachother. Fares are still high, so are loads, and hopefully yields. They all live together quite happily at the minute, and all the expansion I can envisage is new routes, and new markets. It's not as if I'm wishing for EZY/FR and VY to fly daily to Barcelona so I can get £10 return flights, or have 10 daily flights to Alicante (some days aren't far off). Of course there's limited trade, but that amount of trade can be increased by offering more.
Brilliant news, good to see, EYZ cant quite let us go can they. I'm frankly relieved and pleased it's a SXF aircraft, that means there's a net increase in EZY's offering.
S17 will certainly be interesting, if it's true that BRS, BFS, BCN and PMI (GVA another possibility?) as well as SXF, are going to be operated from those respective bases, providing we are staying with 3 based A/C... That's something like 3 daily flights needing filled. It'll either go really well (massive expansion) or really badly (2 A/C).
The canaries argument, however. This brings us round in a circle, is there really demand for 2 new airlines flying to TFS this winter/next summer, and 1 new airline to LPA after LS just doubled capacity this summer? I suppose they were hardest hit when we went 757-738 and 757-A321 but that'll be a lot more capacity. I hope there is, but we'll see
I hope Berlin sticks around this time and makes Easyjet rethink city routes from NCL. I knew we'd get it :P
Brilliant news, good to see, EYZ cant quite let us go can they. I'm frankly relieved and pleased it's a SXF aircraft, that means there's a net increase in EZY's offering.
S17 will certainly be interesting, if it's true that BRS, BFS, BCN and PMI (GVA another possibility?) as well as SXF, are going to be operated from those respective bases, providing we are staying with 3 based A/C... That's something like 3 daily flights needing filled. It'll either go really well (massive expansion) or really badly (2 A/C).
The canaries argument, however. This brings us round in a circle, is there really demand for 2 new airlines flying to TFS this winter/next summer, and 1 new airline to LPA after LS just doubled capacity this summer? I suppose they were hardest hit when we went 757-738 and 757-A321 but that'll be a lot more capacity. I hope there is, but we'll see
I hope Berlin sticks around this time and makes Easyjet rethink city routes from NCL. I knew we'd get it :P