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Old 15th Apr 2016, 11:46
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Hmmm - I've arrived back in Bristol at 22:00 and been home near Bracknell by 23:30 - the M5/M4 is empty at that time of night and you don't even have to break the speed limit
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Old 15th Apr 2016, 16:28
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Echoing what MerchantVenturer says, I think it needs to be understood by some that EZY know what they are doing.

They aren't some amateur airline; they will have 10s if not 100s of people employed in revenue management and route planning alone who will be extremely specialist and excellent at their jobs (and probably very well paid as a result).

You may not think that people want to land into BRS late at night but the route obviously works for EZY otherwise they would have pulled it or attempted to arrange the flight timings by now - 2/3 years of the same schedule suggests it works for them! If it didn't work it would have been changed after 1, maximum 2 years.

I, for one, of course would love to see as many new routes as possible from NCL but I'm sure airlines have done their sums on some of the ones suggested - yes, they might be able to fill the plane, but at a profitable price?
Just my 2 cents...
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Old 15th Apr 2016, 16:32
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I think it needs to be understood by some that EZY know what they are doing.

They aren't some amateur airline;
You obviously weren't in BCN a couple of weeks ago - they were doing a bloody good impression...
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Old 15th Apr 2016, 16:52
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Wait, is it my afternoon G&T or are my eyes deceiving me or what? Is it the same people asking for 'exotic' destinations whilst moaning that there's no day returns possible on the Bristol? A nice place it may be, exotic it most certainly isn't!
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Old 15th Apr 2016, 17:20
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Of course EZY know what they are doing, but what you need to accept is that what is good for them if not necessarily good for NCL. They mess around with the schedules because the aircraft can make more money elsewhere, they might well fly a popular route from NCL but if they think they can get a higher yield from MAN, LGW etc. they will fly that instead. Since the argument with Stelios over expansion they can't increase the fleet size so need to get the most out of what they have, hence the worry that the opening of a new base in PMI will see planes removed from NCL, they need to come from somewhere.
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Old 15th Apr 2016, 17:30
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U2 are are able to grow the fleet. The business is set up in a way that it can grow and it can contract fairly quickly if needs be. Right now it is growing at a steady, sustainable rate with new aircraft joining regularly. The A319s are staying longer and aren't being removed as quickly as they once were, and so the fleet is growing. However if 9/11 II happens, or another recession hits then the fleet can shrink to adapt to the market through lease returns or selling A319s. Allegiant and Volotea being just some of the destination for U2's older aircraft. Brexit could also be a trigger for contraction or slowed growth. I don't have thefigures but it's all listed somewhere on one of the annual reports.
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Old 15th Apr 2016, 17:38
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EZY can and are expanding their fleet...?

As per Wiki, they currently have over 180 aircraft on order. Some of these will be replacements, some will be expansion.

The simple fact of the matter is that if they could make the massive profits which some on here seem to think they can, then they could expand at NCL but they are choosing not to. These are facts - they aren't capacity restricted; so far, this year alone they have had 9 deliveries.

Edit: Just seen fa2fi's post which is very similar, apologies for my slight repetition. I do remember reading something about them having very flexible options depending on economic increase/decline if anyone has the link?
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Old 15th Apr 2016, 18:49
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Eastern

What about Eastern. Could they not make a daily return possible with a triangle operating CWL/BRS. I can't imagine the loads are great to CWL. How about a NCL-CWL-BRS-NCL on a morning another in the evening. Assuming a 0645 departure, you'd arrive in CWL at 0745 and BRS 0830, and in the city centre by 0915 onwards.

On an evening a late afternoon departure could work. It would help increase Eastern's utilisation. What about sending the BHX on to BRS on a W pattern or operating it as a triangle.
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Old 15th Apr 2016, 22:18
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But what good would that be for 90% of the 150/200-odd thousand pax on NCL-BRS every year? With EZY you can do NCL-BRS-NCL, 40 minutes, 60... I'm not suggesting Easyjet would ditc the route for Eastern but if they did the only affordable way to get to the southwest (without a car) would be megabus. Eastern would probably easily be 300+ and the train is rarely far off!!!

I know Easyjet make more money elsewhere... And that's what's so frustrating, because airports like NCL always end up second best. Money makes the world go round, and that means some people lose out, and other people get more than their fair share

Mockingjay, yes because easyjet cover 2 market segments at Newcastle, business and leisure. And while there is plenty of capacity to sun destinations (understandable, us geordies love our sun) they wouldn't necessarily NEED easyjet on the route, but they make money so good on them. Business though is really losing out in my opinion, we've gone from 3+ daily BFS, STN, BRS to 12 weekly Bristol and a bloody confusing x18-ish weekly Belfast... Cheers for the 4 flights on a Friday and Sunday afternoon...

What will happen will happen, I'd rather easyjet keep the route and spend an extra night in a hotel in Bristol when I travel down there than to lose it

I know I annoy some of you, I just get quite frustrated that I feel we aren't seen as being a credible base (or so it seems) after all the hope we once had in EZY and they supposedly once had in us
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Old 16th Apr 2016, 06:05
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You've got APD to thank for that. 26 for every return flight. BRS has viable alternatives and it's shrunk considerably. STN ahead viable alternatives and has gone from four daily to zero. BFS doesn't have a viable alternative. People don't want to spend hours on a ferry, then a rickety old expensive train. So there is a fare premium that people will happily pay for the BFS run. BRS/STN are very different.
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Old 16th Apr 2016, 12:56
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Just been comparing EZY Winter 16/17 with Winter 15/16. Most frequencies are the same with the exceptions of ALICANTE 5 (down from 7) BARCELONA 3 (down from 4) and MALAGA (4 down from 5). This must reflect the entry of Ryanair and Veuling onto these routes. An overall reduction of 4 rotations each way a week, maybe they will introduce another route to use the capacity.
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Old 16th Apr 2016, 13:39
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Just out of interest. How is EZY compared to TOM/TCX/LS. Have they increased capacity/routes/frequencies. Genuine question. And I don't mean the odd New York weekender or Thomson cruise charters or random charters for other cruise lines. I mean regular scheduled flights. I'm keen to see how they compare.
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Old 16th Apr 2016, 13:53
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I think Easyjet to Malta also reduced from 2 to 1 weekly, towards the end of the winter booking period.
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Old 16th Apr 2016, 16:58
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I think APD is pathetic like... 5, even 10 for a return flight I could put up with but the amount the charge is criminal. Can the government not see the damage APD is doing? Especially in the regions (not that they should care, they don't have to worry about us or deal with us too much). When was APD introduced?

Anyway they have Belfast as a prime example that APD devolution is beneficial, and that was thanks to United, to be honest I hope United say the same as they did to the Northern Ireland government and at least get our long haul APD devolved, would certainly get UA in EK's good books.

I don't think EZY's done much, no net increase, but Split was nice of them, and IMO shows they can fill more niche routes, LS didn't seem to be able to make it work but as yet EZY seems happy with it. TCX is the same, no net increase, still waiting in hope that we'll get 3 A321's based one day. TOM... Difficult one, sometimes it seems like they might be toying with some kind of expansion, is it 3 extra weekly flight's they've outsourced to foreign carriers for S16? PMI, LPA and ALC?

Jet2 is the only one who's increased the amount of based A/C, but I'd be willing to say that the amount of seats lost when TOM/TXC/LS went from 757's to 738's still wont have been recovered, even with Ryanair and an extra 738 from LS, that's probably the biggest hit we've taken in recent years. I believe we had 9 757's based in 2011...? And lost 46 seats per aircraft, roughly 184 seats per day over 9 aircraft lost... Not a small amount

Fingers crossed EZY might be looking at other avenues for their 4 weekly slots, see what they come up with, although it might just be for winter, RYR/VY potentially exacerbating the already lower demand

I'd be surprised if Malta was getting cut, Air Malta just left the market and I was under the impression that LS and EZY were doing well
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Old 18th Apr 2016, 14:30
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I'd like to see evidence that APD is stopping people from flying - numbers are up all over the place except maybe Aberdeen where the problem is oil price and redundancy
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Old 18th Apr 2016, 14:33
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I travel to Aberdeen every fortnight and HAVE to drive as the return fare is extortionate, no wonder their number aren't up!
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Old 18th Apr 2016, 19:55
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Emirates

I see the first 3 class aircraft for over a month operated the DXB service today. They have been used less and less for a while now. I wonder if this is due to increasing passenger numbers or greater availability of 2 class aircraft.

I realise the flight is sold as a 2 class only, but this is the first time so many 2 class aircraft have been used on this route.
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Old 18th Apr 2016, 20:20
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Airport stats

Just been looking at airports own figures that suggests Domestic in March was about 11% down compared with March 2015. However International Scheduled up about 8%.
IT traffic down about 7%.

Overall down by less than 1%. There will be more detail when the CAA stats are released. Hope I have done the sums correctly. Cant remember when easter was in 2015 for comparison.
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Old 18th Apr 2016, 20:42
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IIRC easter was very early last year, so hopefully April more healthy, probably explains EK's use of the high density 77W's

Heathrow Harry, yes I see your point, there is still growth, but would that growth still be there if the oil price hadn't fallen? That might have been a stroke of luck. I think that there is plenty (superficial at least) evidence to support the fact that APD has slowed growth in some cases. I know there's too many if's and but's to say anything for sure but I think we would have seen more growth (or less decline) without APD
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Old 18th Apr 2016, 21:14
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The Republic of Ireland's massive boom in traffic after a 3 fee was abolished should be example enough.
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