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Old 11th Mar 2016, 17:18
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I fly to Belfast regularly and the FlyBe flights have terrible flight times, with prices much higher than those of easyJet. Even though BFS is further away from the city, I go there 9 times out of 10, rather than to BHD. Its demise is sad, but completely expected.
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Old 11th Mar 2016, 17:20
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Stavanger will not come back it simply wasnt making enough Money Oslo would be the only place in Norway but i think Ryanair dropped that aswell as it was profitless so i cant see Norway coming back im suprised maybe Stockholm?
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Old 12th Mar 2016, 14:33
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Are Traffic figures for 2015 available yet for Newcastle? Wiki pages only up to date for 2014: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newcas...raffic_figures
Some Other airports have been updated for end 2015, showing growth etc.. per sector, destination, passengers, freight, movements etc...
Is someone able to do same for NCL?
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Old 12th Mar 2016, 14:41
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Sam,

Oslo has been around for some time before, it's too thin to warrant a 738. But would a q400 be a good niche 4 times per week for Flybe... Purely speculative on my part but I'm guessing there probably is core level of demand, hence, ability to charge realistic fares...?

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Old 12th Mar 2016, 15:03
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I think it would but i dont think Wideroe would do it or FlyBe, Maybe SAS, or Norwegian or even BMI? Didnt Ryanair go to Torp and was Unsuccessful?
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Old 12th Mar 2016, 15:04
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Sound of hollow laughter - wasn't Scandinavia (and Germany) on the list of targets for the last big Flybe expansion from Newcastle? Mid 2000's?

From memory Ryanair have done both Torp and Rygge

Stats for last year should be available on the CAA website
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Old 12th Mar 2016, 15:12
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Oslo has been around for some time before, it's too think to warrant a 738. But would a q400 be a good niche 4 times per week for Flybe... Purely speculative on my party but I'm guessing there probably is core level of demand, hence, ability to charge realistic fares...?
Braathens (Now part of SAS) operated daily except Saturday,service mainly operated by 737-500, but occasionally larger 737s to Bergen via Stavanger.
A separate daily, except Saturday service was operated to Oslo, also using B737-500 aircraft. These services were competitively priced in competition with the Ferry services to Norway.

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Service for 95/96 Winter season showing departure times was:
(From Newcastle Airport Winter Timetable 95/96)

Bergen (via SVG) 12345 -- BU574 10.25 B737
Bergen (via SVG) ----- - 7 BU578 19.45 B737

Oslo 12345 - - BU568 18.05 B737
Oslo ----- - 7 BU564 12.15 B737

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Ferry services ended due to competition from Low Cost Flights (although by this time it was Ryanair, who operated briefly)

Braathens were a full service airline, with very reasonable fares. A lot of traffic came from Norway to Newcastle for shopping. I remember a Tax Refund desk being available for Norwegians returning home.
I guess this service / services may be a success for Norwegian or possibly EasyJet if marketed correctly.

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Old 12th Mar 2016, 15:17
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Braathens dropped the routes in 2001. Jet2 also operated Bergen in the mid 2000's. Ferries don't run anymore, either.
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Old 12th Mar 2016, 15:38
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It's a very sad state of affairs with, seemingly no connections at all between the North East and Norway either by air or sea.

There used to be vibrant trading and tourism connections between the two. I can't believe that there is absolutely no demand for either.
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Old 12th Mar 2016, 15:44
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Norway

Yeah i think Norway will be off NCL's Radar for a While i think they will concentrate on other Cities in Europe
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Old 12th Mar 2016, 15:55
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Braathens were a full service airline, with very reasonable fares. A lot of traffic came from Norway to Newcastle for shopping. I remember a Tax Refund desk being available for Norwegians returning home.
I guess this service / services may be a success for Norwegian or possibly EasyJet if marketed correctly.
This quote is from May 2004 - guess Easy have looked and decided against it.

A spokesman for easyJet has said: "After opening up routes to Denmark from Newcastle, we are keen to open up the rest of Scandinavia. Representatives of easyJet have been talking to representatives of the airports and governments of the countries being considered, as well as tourist boards as low-cost airlines have a huge impact on tourism in the countries they serve. EasyJet is experiencing 25pc year-on-year growth, and flew 24 million passengers last year. We expect to have the new routes flying from British airports, including Newcastle to Sweden, Norway and Finland, within the next 12 months. We invested heavily in services from Newcastle, and we were unsure to begin with how they would be received. However, we have not been disappointed and the response has surpassed our expectations."
Suppose we'll get the usual comments about EZY having no imagination, not supporting NCL, pinching NCL's lunch money in the playground...
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Old 12th Mar 2016, 16:49
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Yes, the easyBashers I'll be along soon. The market is very different these days. The ties between the NE and Scandinavia are sadly not as strong as they once were, which is a great shame.

Scandinavia hasn't worked for U2 apart from CPH and token presence in in Stockholm and Tallinn. Bergen was started from London and didn't work out.

Smaller airports throughout Scandinavia have been promised the world by a certain LCC only to be left disappointed. Scandinavia is a tough nut to crack, even for the locals. Making money out of the place isn't that easy due to takes and high airport charges.

U2 don't have the space resources at NCL to try anything new.
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Old 12th Mar 2016, 17:02
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At least Copenhagen seems to be working well for SAS, so it's not all bad news
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Old 12th Mar 2016, 23:28
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Do you reckon CPH could go 2 daily? Or maybe see the A319 more often?

Mentioning Germany, could DUS ever go back 2 daily?

I hope Norway makes a speedy return to Newcastle, I'd have thought 4 weekly NCL-OSL by NAS on a 738 would be feasible, as well as x6 weekly NCL-SVG-BGO with Bmir (midday, inside NCL-FRA x13 weekly)?

Unless NAS did x2 NCL-OSL, x2 NCL-SVG-OSL, x2 NCL-BGO-OSL?

Or perhaps x3 weekly NCL-OSL, x1 weekly NCL-SVG-OSL and NCL-BGO-OSL, x2 weekly NCL-SVG-BGO
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Old 13th Mar 2016, 06:51
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I think further discussion should be moved to the "Route Speculation" thread.
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Old 13th Mar 2016, 07:54
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Norway

Dan-Air used to do a daily lunchtime flight from Newcastle - Stavanger - Bergan - Newcastle, which I used twice in the 80's and also a daily rotation to Oslo at around the same time. When BA took them over in 1992 the route passed on to Braathens.

Markets change, although the Norweigans used to fly or take the ferry and did shopping trips to the Metrocentre or Northumberland Street and stock up. I guess with the arrival of Norweigan they have so much more choice nowadays...

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Old 13th Mar 2016, 07:57
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Does Norway really have that pull ? A more realistic route would simply be KEF in Iceland
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Old 13th Mar 2016, 09:50
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Lufthansa

Surprised Lufthansa haven't got a daily service to Munich. I have to drive regularly to Manchester where they have three flights a day often using A321 so big demand. Far more connections from MUC than DUS plus it's the gateway to the Alps and opens up so many ski resorts in Austria, Germany, Switzerland and Italy and very popular in summer too. A flag carrier will always have a much bigger chance of success than a loco on a route like this. EasyJet could work due to It's brand presence at both NCL/MUC and focus on business pax but Jet2 would would only generate outbound tourist pax.
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Old 13th Mar 2016, 09:52
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As I think a few people have mentioned NCL - Bergen /Stavangar was mainly used by NORWEGIANS - not Brits

Norway is still unbelievably expensive from a Brit view but the difference is less and Norwegians have more cash in hand.

The shipping/fishing/oil work has pretty much died out on Tyneside so what you are left with is minimal business passengers anda small number of well heeled tourists = not attractive enough
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Old 16th Mar 2016, 23:38
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FEBRUARY STATS

Highlights for the month:-

PARIS........................11,389 + 8%
DUSSELDORF............. 2887 + 20%
DUBLIN......... 16,809 + 11%
AMSTERDAM....... 27,237 + 2%
ALICANTE........... 14,859 + 64%
BARCELONA....... 5272 + 18%
PRAGUE........ 1635 + 23%
KRAKOW........ 1689 + 27%
MALTA............ 2174 + 9%
BRUSSELS...... 1802 - 4%
CORK........ 526 - 51%
FARO......... 2429 - 3%
STAVANGER........ 519 - 39%
DUBAI..... 18,597 NO CHANGE ...UP 2 PAX ON THE PREVIOUS FEB FIGURE

HEATHROW....... 38,699 + 2%
BELFAST INT..... 20,936 + 17%
ISLE OF MAN.... 263 + 6%
SOUTHAMPTON.... 9299 + 19%
BRISTOL....... 14,825 + 19%
ABERDEEN..... 1269 - 39%
EXETER....... 2185 - 18%
BELFAST CITY...... 1210 - 6%
STANSTED.......... 723
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