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"fa2fi" LBA gets the same BA treatment. First sign of problems flights get chopped just like NCL. This mornings BA1346/1347 was in fact cancelled last night. Doesn't help as it only been operating twice daily for last 3 weeks, think it returns to been 3 daily next week.
Saying that we do have trains operating every 20 minutes between Leeds and London. Or you can drive it in 2 and a half hours down M1.
Saying that we do have trains operating every 20 minutes between Leeds and London. Or you can drive it in 2 and a half hours down M1.
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Saying that we do have trains operating every 20 minutes between Leeds and London. Or you can drive it in 2 and a half hours down M1.
The last bit from Hendon to London (no motorway) takes the best part of an hour.
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I'm sure we'll get Turkish within the next 3 years, and a Swiss airline? Interesting, couple of weekly Swiss to Zurich with Helvetic? What's the sources though?
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Zurich would be very good, but ahead of Zurich I'd honestly have expected Lufthansa to Frankfurt to come first (although they have no plans to serve Newcastle) and also either TAP to Lisbon and/or Iberia to Madrid. Speaking of which I think we'll also see Iberia Express a couple of times a week to Madrid (if their new UK destinations go down well) and we're still waiting for Vueling.
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Again people are putting that spotter hats on before their business one.
TK would be good for near East destinations but nowhere that's not already covered by BA or AFKLM save for a few more rustic destinations within Turkey. IST will be just another hub flight (of which NCL has enough of) and will compete with EK and jeopardise the rumoured second daily DXB.
MAD is covered with IAG at LHR. Vueling hub at BCN so will push EZ off their longstanding route and will connect pax to flights already connected via LHR or CDG/AMS.
LIS possibly. I believe EZ has a base there. But if TAP were to operate it then it's yet another hub. Yes there could be a couple of interesting South American destinations not served through IAG but the amount of pax from NCL to these places must be fairly tiny.
All of these proposals will not stimulate more passengers but will just give them another possible routing to get to their destination. This potential increase to eight hub flights is not sustainable as yield would suffer.
TK would be good for near East destinations but nowhere that's not already covered by BA or AFKLM save for a few more rustic destinations within Turkey. IST will be just another hub flight (of which NCL has enough of) and will compete with EK and jeopardise the rumoured second daily DXB.
MAD is covered with IAG at LHR. Vueling hub at BCN so will push EZ off their longstanding route and will connect pax to flights already connected via LHR or CDG/AMS.
LIS possibly. I believe EZ has a base there. But if TAP were to operate it then it's yet another hub. Yes there could be a couple of interesting South American destinations not served through IAG but the amount of pax from NCL to these places must be fairly tiny.
All of these proposals will not stimulate more passengers but will just give them another possible routing to get to their destination. This potential increase to eight hub flights is not sustainable as yield would suffer.
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I agree with you that if we get more routes to HUB airports it will effect the carriers we already have - but only to a point
Increases competition CAN not always be good for customer choice
But what your also saying now is NCL can't gain routes to places like MAD,FRA and Zurich and Lisbon as these are hub airports and will affect others ncl other carriers.
They may affect them but it also offers the passengers NEW places to travel to not all passengers will be connecting onto other flights some may well be doing business or leisure trips to these cites..
Bucket and spade holidays are only 6 months of the year we need to find new year round places that can work nicely from ncl...
I agree with you that if we get more routes to HUB airports it will effect the carriers we already have - but only to a point
Increases competition CAN not always be good for customer choice
But what your also saying now is NCL can't gain routes to places like MAD,FRA and Zurich and Lisbon as these are hub airports and will affect others ncl other carriers.
They may affect them but it also offers the passengers NEW places to travel to not all passengers will be connecting onto other flights some may well be doing business or leisure trips to these cites..
Bucket and spade holidays are only 6 months of the year we need to find new year round places that can work nicely from ncl...
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Again people are being patronising :
From which perspective are you coming from with the changing of headwear?
BA = one world , AF/KL = Skyteam , EK stand alone alliance, so are you saying a star alliance member (TK) would not want to jeopardise any of this?
Again people are putting that spotter hats on before their business one.
TK would be good for near East destinations but nowhere that's not already covered by BA or AFKLM save for a few more rustic destinations within Turkey. IST will be just another hub flight (of which NCL has enough of) and will compete with EK and jeopardise the rumoured second daily DXB.
TK would be good for near East destinations but nowhere that's not already covered by BA or AFKLM save for a few more rustic destinations within Turkey. IST will be just another hub flight (of which NCL has enough of) and will compete with EK and jeopardise the rumoured second daily DXB.
BA = one world , AF/KL = Skyteam , EK stand alone alliance, so are you saying a star alliance member (TK) would not want to jeopardise any of this?
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I don`t agree re TK as they have proved ex MAN and BHX they have a lot of onward connecting passengers as no way could they just fill 5 flights a day between those two airports just to IST
Ian
I don`t agree re TK as they have proved ex MAN and BHX they have a lot of onward connecting passengers as no way could they just fill 5 flights a day between those two airports just to IST
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What are NCL's 8 hub destinations?, I count:
LHR, AMS, CDG, DXB as the ones people look for and consider real hubs with many varying choices of destination. DUB only offers transatlantic connections, EWR will be coming online which with Dublin make 4 hubs and two technical hubs, although the wide variety of US destinations will be welcomed. BRU? I think connections are offered but how reliably, same applies for CPH and DUS, I wouldn't really be counting those three, I think they are mostly O&D.
Istanbul would definitely be a good addition, it might steal *some* passengers of EK, but I think both would see growth, TK would likely become the most reliable option to TLV which would serve the large Israeli population, along with near east, much smaller cities than EK (I don't know how TK make them all work!) and again, more options to Asia and possibly a more sensical route to Africa. Plus Istanbul is a big tourist destination in it's own right
Lisbon, again, a tourist destination in it's own right, very nice coastal towns etc for 30+ miles around it and as mentioned, South American and African connections along with destinations like Madeira, they can be cheaper than TOM/LS and combine the two destinations.
ZRH/FRA, I know what you mean, not as much O&D, very similar markets, but until UA, NCL had no major Star Alliance carriers... Bigger offering might be nice (but not necessarily profitable)
MAD, controversial but IAG swapping one NCL-LHR for one NCL-MAD? Connecting to South America and Africa + European destinations?
Vueling, cheap connections, might result in EZY reducing frequency but I think they would hold their own.
LHR, AMS, CDG, DXB as the ones people look for and consider real hubs with many varying choices of destination. DUB only offers transatlantic connections, EWR will be coming online which with Dublin make 4 hubs and two technical hubs, although the wide variety of US destinations will be welcomed. BRU? I think connections are offered but how reliably, same applies for CPH and DUS, I wouldn't really be counting those three, I think they are mostly O&D.
Istanbul would definitely be a good addition, it might steal *some* passengers of EK, but I think both would see growth, TK would likely become the most reliable option to TLV which would serve the large Israeli population, along with near east, much smaller cities than EK (I don't know how TK make them all work!) and again, more options to Asia and possibly a more sensical route to Africa. Plus Istanbul is a big tourist destination in it's own right
Lisbon, again, a tourist destination in it's own right, very nice coastal towns etc for 30+ miles around it and as mentioned, South American and African connections along with destinations like Madeira, they can be cheaper than TOM/LS and combine the two destinations.
ZRH/FRA, I know what you mean, not as much O&D, very similar markets, but until UA, NCL had no major Star Alliance carriers... Bigger offering might be nice (but not necessarily profitable)
MAD, controversial but IAG swapping one NCL-LHR for one NCL-MAD? Connecting to South America and Africa + European destinations?
Vueling, cheap connections, might result in EZY reducing frequency but I think they would hold their own.
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ZRH/FRA, I know what you mean, not as much O&D, very similar markets, but until UA, NCL had no major Star Alliance carriers... Bigger offering might be nice (but not necessarily profitable)
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Apologies, I forgot about SAS being in Star. Does the Germanwings flight still count as a star alliance flight?
CPH is an EU hub, but the available connections from NCL, are, from what I have seen few and far between.
More star presence, though, should help UA, and in turn UA help the other carriers in the long run.
CPH is an EU hub, but the available connections from NCL, are, from what I have seen few and far between.
More star presence, though, should help UA, and in turn UA help the other carriers in the long run.
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Hub Flights
Currentl/coming soon:
LHR
DUB
AMS
CDG
DUS
CPH
DXB
EWR
Proposed:
IST
BCN
MAD
LIS
SWISS CITY
Am I the only one who thinks this is a bit much? It may be great for the spotter log books and short term for pax as fares fall.
But all will happen is that yields will trash, airlines will make less money and pull out, this means the surviving airlines will increase ticket prices for passengers and may even completely close a route.
TLV is a very price sensitive market as there is a lot of VFR traffic and already well served with NCLs other hub connections.
EZ may keep point to point BCNNCL as it is a longstanding route. Unlike FR whose 'Barcelona' service is about to be axed.
LHR
DUB
AMS
CDG
DUS
CPH
DXB
EWR
Proposed:
IST
BCN
MAD
LIS
SWISS CITY
Am I the only one who thinks this is a bit much? It may be great for the spotter log books and short term for pax as fares fall.
But all will happen is that yields will trash, airlines will make less money and pull out, this means the surviving airlines will increase ticket prices for passengers and may even completely close a route.
TLV is a very price sensitive market as there is a lot of VFR traffic and already well served with NCLs other hub connections.
EZ may keep point to point BCNNCL as it is a longstanding route. Unlike FR whose 'Barcelona' service is about to be axed.
I think the concern is a bit premature - DUB, CPH and DUS are very limited hubs from NCL and the "proposed" hub links are still very much at the speculative stage.
I'd put my money (and it wouldn't be very much...) on IST to be the first, but I think we are behind BRS in the UK.
I'd put my money (and it wouldn't be very much...) on IST to be the first, but I think we are behind BRS in the UK.
