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Excellent news for Newcastle Airport.
With regards to United Airlines they sure do have the UK extensively covered and they seem able to make long haul work from the smaller UK airports were no other airline seems able to do so.
With regards to United Airlines they sure do have the UK extensively covered and they seem able to make long haul work from the smaller UK airports were no other airline seems able to do so.
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"5 x 757s a week to fill is a big ask in my opinion"
Hmmm - they do pretty well filling a 777 daily to a ghastly hot hell hole in the Middle East -
New York has .... more attractions............
Hmmm - they do pretty well filling a 777 daily to a ghastly hot hell hole in the Middle East -
New York has .... more attractions............
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Brilliant news, I'll be on at my parents all year now to get us on it. "Use it or lose it". Even "only" x5 weekly seasonal is an amazing development in my opinion. Lets just hope it doesn't hurt Jet2 too much though! 
Finally, no I told you so, but... Just because people might not be as old as you/as "in the know" as you/more optimistic than you. Don't doubt them.
Finally, no I told you so, but... Just because people might not be as old as you/as "in the know" as you/more optimistic than you. Don't doubt them.
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I am going to bet there's been a *remarkably* good deal with the airport for United to put their toe in the water here. Well done for getting that far!, it should make the point NCL can do it and ideally tempt them back on market rates for 2016?
Regional / seasonal long haul does seem to be making a comeback, one sees Air Canada Rouge in places mainline used to frequent in winter. Shannon and Dublin do remarkably well with seaonal US flights on the B757, on fully depreciated aircraft working very hard in summer.
I wonder what the medium term strategy for all these B757 routes is going to be? The B763 / B788 may be too large for some markets so are we looking at B737-MAX or A321 NEO?
Regional / seasonal long haul does seem to be making a comeback, one sees Air Canada Rouge in places mainline used to frequent in winter. Shannon and Dublin do remarkably well with seaonal US flights on the B757, on fully depreciated aircraft working very hard in summer.
I wonder what the medium term strategy for all these B757 routes is going to be? The B763 / B788 may be too large for some markets so are we looking at B737-MAX or A321 NEO?
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HH - "Hmmm - "Hmmm - they do pretty well filling a 777 daily to a ghastly hot hell hole in the Middle East"
Well 80-90% of pax's pass through this 'hell hole' and I am sure a good few will transfer with UAL onwards through EWR. Having spent six years in this hell hole I fail to see the hell.......??? I guess I just spent a hellish night out eating and drinking with my wife......its hard but I guess someone has to do it!!! Get real people!
Well 80-90% of pax's pass through this 'hell hole' and I am sure a good few will transfer with UAL onwards through EWR. Having spent six years in this hell hole I fail to see the hell.......??? I guess I just spent a hellish night out eating and drinking with my wife......its hard but I guess someone has to do it!!! Get real people!
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Bristol was dropped favorite increased frequency at LHR which is under two hours drive away from a lot of BRS's catchment area.
Although BRS overall numbers were said to be satisfactory, at least until the recession bit in 2009, the airline said that one of the reasons for the withdrawal was the disappointing occupancy of the business/first at non-discounted prices which is back to the yield and is something which the NCL management and airline will doubtless be confronting.
Excellent news for the North East.
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United - NCL -NYC (EWR)
How important will/might freight be to the success + Yield factor. Industry in the region (when asked to comment) have always quoted the importance of an eastern link to the states for high value cargo direct from Newcastle. Freight I believe is very important for Emirates and often makes up, plus more, for low passenger numbers on some flights.
Surely if true, this alone should make our local companies ensure the succees of this route.
Surely if true, this alone should make our local companies ensure the succees of this route.
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Great news for NCL, the naysayers will be eating their hats ! Lets see how it does first I suppose. Pretty surprised myself to be honest. Where do current NCL -NYC bound pax go EDI ? AMS ? LHR ?
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I'd probably think the majority go via LHR with BA/AA, in particular the 5/6/7 night holiday market where BA offer some very attractively priced packages.
If UA price it right then they could be onto a huge winner with the leisure market however of course they still need to make a profit and fill the premium cabins, something which BA doesn't really have a problem with filling meaning they can offer super cheap Y fares/packages to NY.
Time will tell, I guess we won't know how successful the route is until it is found out if it will be renewed/expanded for 2016 as even if flights go out full, they may not necessarily be high yield fares.
I do hope it is a success and it has been a long time coming - never saw it happening myself but good on NCL and UA for making it work and long may it last.
On another note regarding freight, will the 757 be able to lift much out of NCL and how big is the cargo space? I can't imagine it being enormous? Just curious
If UA price it right then they could be onto a huge winner with the leisure market however of course they still need to make a profit and fill the premium cabins, something which BA doesn't really have a problem with filling meaning they can offer super cheap Y fares/packages to NY.
Time will tell, I guess we won't know how successful the route is until it is found out if it will be renewed/expanded for 2016 as even if flights go out full, they may not necessarily be high yield fares.
I do hope it is a success and it has been a long time coming - never saw it happening myself but good on NCL and UA for making it work and long may it last.
On another note regarding freight, will the 757 be able to lift much out of NCL and how big is the cargo space? I can't imagine it being enormous? Just curious
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Well guy's I'm certainly not hiding, indeed I'm delighted to hear the news, I'm also truly surprised, though certainly not eating humble pie, & this is perhaps not the time for negativity. Indeed many of the obvious concerns have already been expressed by other posters today.
Best thing is simply to wait & see, after 40 or so years then this venture will need to progress considerably to remove any of my lingering cynicism.
So good luck to UA, success will need to come not from NY tourists but from the amount of onwards & business traffic that the route is able to generate.
As said then at least all those ex CO frames will provide a 757 swansong at NCL for the reggies/spotters
Word of caution, habits don't change overnight :-
VickersVicount :-
I use CDG & the AF offering to NYC is pretty good 330's to EWR & 380's / 777's to NYC tried them all on numerous occasions, it will be interesting to see how "the competition" reacts...
Best thing is simply to wait & see, after 40 or so years then this venture will need to progress considerably to remove any of my lingering cynicism.
So good luck to UA, success will need to come not from NY tourists but from the amount of onwards & business traffic that the route is able to generate.
As said then at least all those ex CO frames will provide a 757 swansong at NCL for the reggies/spotters
Word of caution, habits don't change overnight :-
VickersVicount :-
Where do current NCL -NYC bound pax go EDI ? AMS ? LHR ?
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Fantastic news!
Finally the two New Yorks linked up: New York Newcastle and New York New York (or should that be New York New Jersey as it's EWR? (pedants corner)).
New York, Tyne and Wear - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This appears to be building on the former CO's tradition of linking non-London UK airports to EWR over the years: BFS, BHX, BRS, EDI, GLA, MAN.
We want it year round and daily, so come on you Geordies, use the service and use it often!
Finally the two New Yorks linked up: New York Newcastle and New York New York (or should that be New York New Jersey as it's EWR? (pedants corner)).
New York, Tyne and Wear - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This appears to be building on the former CO's tradition of linking non-London UK airports to EWR over the years: BFS, BHX, BRS, EDI, GLA, MAN.
We want it year round and daily, so come on you Geordies, use the service and use it often!