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Actually I remember there being real discussion about a direct china flight, maybe x2 weekly, could the 787 open this up again as a possibility? China Southern NCL-CAN? Maybe shared with x5 weekly MAN-CAN?
TK and EK would not effect each other much, honestly... Many more TK passengers would be O&D than DXB passengers (although they are on the increase, think it's about 60% now). TK fly to many other countries, and secondary cities within those countries. They would also cater for Eastern Europe too. Apart from a small percentage who will connect to East Asia and some African destinations who will have the choice of EK or TK which wil likely depend on price/loyalty/journey time etc. Some may prefer the equal split in journey time offered via DXB rather than a short flight-long flight offered by IST/AMS/LHR/CDG. Then there's also the small matter of a 151 seat 737 900ER vs a 427 seat 777 300ER
TK and EK would not effect each other much, honestly... Many more TK passengers would be O&D than DXB passengers (although they are on the increase, think it's about 60% now). TK fly to many other countries, and secondary cities within those countries. They would also cater for Eastern Europe too. Apart from a small percentage who will connect to East Asia and some African destinations who will have the choice of EK or TK which wil likely depend on price/loyalty/journey time etc. Some may prefer the equal split in journey time offered via DXB rather than a short flight-long flight offered by IST/AMS/LHR/CDG. Then there's also the small matter of a 151 seat 737 900ER vs a 427 seat 777 300ER
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Oh it's getting silly now.
Any long haul route to MAN is not going to be "shared" with NCL on a non daily basis, it's not something supported in these markets.
Some people are using the patented airliners.net happy dartboard of wish fulfilment route planning. TK and EK are very much fighting for market share in the same space, bewarned!
Any long haul route to MAN is not going to be "shared" with NCL on a non daily basis, it's not something supported in these markets.
Some people are using the patented airliners.net happy dartboard of wish fulfilment route planning. TK and EK are very much fighting for market share in the same space, bewarned!
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Iceland
Could see it working with FI, provided it linked conveniently with KEF flights to North America, probably not daily, and not if it "dilutes" GLA. Yes, there are a lot of "if"s
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Travelling out of NCL to all corners of the globe this year, there could be a few places in the back of my mind that personally, I would find useful as would other people hopefully.
What I would like to see is:
A strong connection to a German airport such as a Frankfurt or Munich.
My next few are questions aimed at anyone who can supply an answer, bare in mind that I don't work at the airport nor am I employed by an airline, so these questions are merely from a generic public member:
1. Is there enough for a company such as SAS to expand more into Scandinavia, as in somewhere like Sweden - Gothenburg or Stockholm?
2. Does NCL have the potential to expand it's holiday destinations with Jet2 to somewhere in places Morocco or new destinations that are previously untouched in Spain such as Jerez or Granada?
3. Does NCL have potential to host a second Middle-Eastern airliner to a destination in that area, such an airline to Abu Dhabi or Doha?
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In terms of Iceland, I've just finished working as a Christmas temp. at HMV in Newcastle City Centre and I didn't serve a single Icelandic person but I did serve a big amount of people from Germany, Denmark and the Netherlands.
Of course NCL has KLM to Amsterdam, SAS to Copenhagen and Lufthansa to Dusseldorf.
Question: Perhaps an airline such as transavia could open into a 2nd Dutch city such as Rotterdam?
What I would like to see is:
A strong connection to a German airport such as a Frankfurt or Munich.
My next few are questions aimed at anyone who can supply an answer, bare in mind that I don't work at the airport nor am I employed by an airline, so these questions are merely from a generic public member:
1. Is there enough for a company such as SAS to expand more into Scandinavia, as in somewhere like Sweden - Gothenburg or Stockholm?
2. Does NCL have the potential to expand it's holiday destinations with Jet2 to somewhere in places Morocco or new destinations that are previously untouched in Spain such as Jerez or Granada?
3. Does NCL have potential to host a second Middle-Eastern airliner to a destination in that area, such an airline to Abu Dhabi or Doha?
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In terms of Iceland, I've just finished working as a Christmas temp. at HMV in Newcastle City Centre and I didn't serve a single Icelandic person but I did serve a big amount of people from Germany, Denmark and the Netherlands.
Of course NCL has KLM to Amsterdam, SAS to Copenhagen and Lufthansa to Dusseldorf.
Question: Perhaps an airline such as transavia could open into a 2nd Dutch city such as Rotterdam?
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3. Does NCL have potential to host a second Middle-Eastern airliner to a destination in that area, such an airline to Abu Dhabi or Doha?
In terms of Iceland, I've just finished working as a Christmas temp. at HMV in Newcastle City Centre and I didn't serve a single Icelandic person but I did serve a big amount of people from Germany, Denmark and the Netherlands.
It's probably the nearest that NCL will ever get to a North American link, as there are already direct flights to/from there are to EDI, GLA and MAN.
BTW, the entire population of Iceland is less than that of Croydon, so it's entirely possible you wouldn't see any in HMV-Newcastle, even if one or two turned up in Newcastle.
Do they smell of fish or wear seal skins! I would hopefully say no!
Trying to get the discussion back on track:
Other factors to consider - how do the following trends affect NCL? Are there opportunities (or threats!)
- Where are NCL in the list of UK airports?
- Are there any destinations served from the airports just below/above us on the list not served from NCL?
- Are there any specific local reasons why these routes are served which don't apply to NCL? Are there any specific local reasons that apply to NCL and not other similar airports?
- Look at a map - to mis-quote Sir Alex Ferguson, Newcastle is a small city in one of the poorest areas of England surrounded by large areas of nothing. What would attract a new operator?
Other factors to consider - how do the following trends affect NCL? Are there opportunities (or threats!)
- the big tour operators taking block bookings on LOCO's
- the big tour groups integrating their airline operations across europe
- North European airlines setting up remote bases in southern europe
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I'd like to see a direct service to Plockton. I've had a couple of holidays there, and one year met another couple from Newcastle, so there must be a demand ! It takes nearly 7 hours to drive, and the train is even longer.
Seriously folks, over 80 percent of the proposed destinations suggested in the last couple of pages have all been tried and dropped from NCL in recent years - there's a serious commercial message in that. Frequencies on other routes (eg BCN) have been reduced. It's all because of lack of viable demand.
Follow GrahamK's suggestion: "Provide some kind of information to back up your suggestions", then there's a chance of having an adult objective commercial discussion about it.
Seriously folks, over 80 percent of the proposed destinations suggested in the last couple of pages have all been tried and dropped from NCL in recent years - there's a serious commercial message in that. Frequencies on other routes (eg BCN) have been reduced. It's all because of lack of viable demand.
Follow GrahamK's suggestion: "Provide some kind of information to back up your suggestions", then there's a chance of having an adult objective commercial discussion about it.
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Its not always due to lack of demand its about having the choice of flights and times which will suit the passenger.
Here is 2 examples
DUS x 2 daily did really well. it got reduced and the pax figures nosedived!
This due to long connection times making AMS more appealing.
Im sure that if it went back to 2x daily the figures would rise again and people would use it.
Thinking of increase in flights look at what happened to SN figures when BMIR came along they went up due to 3 x daily flight.
Easyjet however is different. They had to make cuts due to getting a better deal at gatwick and more growth down there and they had limited aircraft.
Our base went from 7 based aircraft at one time down to 3. there was no way they could keep the amount of flights the same. it resulted in routes being dropped that did work.
Routes they dropped are working nicely for JET2 and they seem to be happy with the loads and are making a PROFIT!!!!
There is no reason why 2 or more carriers cant come onto the same route.
However saying that i dont think there is room just yet for 2 gulf carriers however i would be saying yes if and when EK decide to go 2x daily.
Advertising
Has BMIR done any adverts in papers yet to advertise the NCL-BRU route?
A lot of people i guess in the north east wont know its happening!!
I know the airport team does a good job and talks to airlines all the time.
They may have even been speaking to other carriers that we have been stating over the last few pages and hopefully something will come of these talks.
Hopefully HRG may get off the group in summer 2015!
Jet2 will also increase again for summer 2015 with more new routes...
these routes may not be new to the airport but this will increase the passenger choice from our local airport!!
Here is 2 examples
DUS x 2 daily did really well. it got reduced and the pax figures nosedived!
This due to long connection times making AMS more appealing.
Im sure that if it went back to 2x daily the figures would rise again and people would use it.
Thinking of increase in flights look at what happened to SN figures when BMIR came along they went up due to 3 x daily flight.
Easyjet however is different. They had to make cuts due to getting a better deal at gatwick and more growth down there and they had limited aircraft.
Our base went from 7 based aircraft at one time down to 3. there was no way they could keep the amount of flights the same. it resulted in routes being dropped that did work.
Routes they dropped are working nicely for JET2 and they seem to be happy with the loads and are making a PROFIT!!!!
There is no reason why 2 or more carriers cant come onto the same route.
However saying that i dont think there is room just yet for 2 gulf carriers however i would be saying yes if and when EK decide to go 2x daily.
Advertising
Has BMIR done any adverts in papers yet to advertise the NCL-BRU route?
A lot of people i guess in the north east wont know its happening!!
I know the airport team does a good job and talks to airlines all the time.
They may have even been speaking to other carriers that we have been stating over the last few pages and hopefully something will come of these talks.
Hopefully HRG may get off the group in summer 2015!
Jet2 will also increase again for summer 2015 with more new routes...
these routes may not be new to the airport but this will increase the passenger choice from our local airport!!
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There's an Apple Store in Newcastle now. Perhaps we'll see flights to Palo Alto. BMI regional can just rip out sets (they barely fill their planes anyway!), increase the range and make the interior more 'hip'. That's got to work.
More seriously. Can someone confirm if easyJet, the airline who made almost a half billion pounds this year is still NCLs biggest airline in terms of passenger numbers, providing regular year round flights to over a dozen destinations?
Jet2 have done well, but with many destinations served once weekly and an almost complete winter shutdown it is clear that the two airlines have very different models when it comes to operating their take on the LCC model. I'd just like to know how many pax they carry from NCL.
More seriously. Can someone confirm if easyJet, the airline who made almost a half billion pounds this year is still NCLs biggest airline in terms of passenger numbers, providing regular year round flights to over a dozen destinations?
Jet2 have done well, but with many destinations served once weekly and an almost complete winter shutdown it is clear that the two airlines have very different models when it comes to operating their take on the LCC model. I'd just like to know how many pax they carry from NCL.
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Jet2 is NCL's largest airline in terms of aircraft based, routes etc... If they were to open up some more year round routes and more winter routes they would without a doubt be the largest airline. I think it's routes like BRS, BFS and AMS that keep EZY the largest (as far as I know) in terms of passenger numbers because they operate 2/3 daily flights every day all year round along with other summer/winter seasonal routes.
If we ever get the 8 based aircraft from Jet2 I really hope to see more city routes. Berlin, Budapest, Vienna, Verona, Reykjavik, Marrakech.
EZY could expand at NCL using non based aircraft, did they ever try Hamburg or Lisbon?
If we ever get the 8 based aircraft from Jet2 I really hope to see more city routes. Berlin, Budapest, Vienna, Verona, Reykjavik, Marrakech.
EZY could expand at NCL using non based aircraft, did they ever try Hamburg or Lisbon?
If we ever get the 8 based aircraft from Jet2 I really hope to see more city routes. Berlin, Budapest, Vienna, Verona, Reykjavik, Marrakech.
EZY could expand at NCL using non based aircraft, did they ever try Hamburg or Lisbon?
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Dude, seriously you need to start thinking in terms of airlines making money not on "biggest base" or "could ABC base n more aircraft to fly to XYZ?"
The current throughput is a reflection of what the market can support. Incremental increases will come as the economy improves however, this thread is now just a spotters wishlist sadly, and I say that as an enthusiast myself. Domestic aviation is still under massive pressure from APD and fantasy Green politics, coupled with security theatre making the train so much more attractive.
Jet2 seem more focussed on Glasgow after taking an age to get in there, post Globespan it's a Jet2 kind of market.
Remind me how many based LS units NCL has this summer?
The current throughput is a reflection of what the market can support. Incremental increases will come as the economy improves however, this thread is now just a spotters wishlist sadly, and I say that as an enthusiast myself. Domestic aviation is still under massive pressure from APD and fantasy Green politics, coupled with security theatre making the train so much more attractive.
Jet2 seem more focussed on Glasgow after taking an age to get in there, post Globespan it's a Jet2 kind of market.
Remind me how many based LS units NCL has this summer?
