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Didn't October have a fair few 777-200LR fights which have less seating capacity at 266 than the A330 which was 278. Plus the other 777-200ER flights still have less than the 427/442 seating capacity of the 777-300ER which we are supposed to receive. Maybe the substitution of aircraft more in October than October 2011 brought the figures down by the 4%.
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The figs are compared with October 2011 - not the previous month.
Could it just be that less people are using the route overall???
They're only going to sub a/c if the numbers are embarrassingly low on that particular day.
Could it just be that less people are using the route overall???
They're only going to sub a/c if the numbers are embarrassingly low on that particular day.
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Hopefully October was just a blip, as they don't make good reading: -
Pax 13215 down 4%
Using planespotters.net: -
2 (77W) flights by 442 seat aircraft
11 (77W) by 428
1 (77W) by 364
8 (77W) by 360
1 (77W) by 354
2 (772ER) by 346
6 (77L) by 266
I make that 22956 which equates to 57.5% load factor.
Glasgow, Birmingham & Manchester were in the mid to high 70's but of course much more mature routes.
Pete
Pax 13215 down 4%
Using planespotters.net: -
2 (77W) flights by 442 seat aircraft
11 (77W) by 428
1 (77W) by 364
8 (77W) by 360
1 (77W) by 354
2 (772ER) by 346
6 (77L) by 266
I make that 22956 which equates to 57.5% load factor.
Glasgow, Birmingham & Manchester were in the mid to high 70's but of course much more mature routes.
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The imponderable question is what the cargo loads were like. I assume that may have been the driving factor for the upgrade rather then passenger numbers (if the usual A330s were used, I believe loads would have been around 75% or so)
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Ref EK
I have always had the view that to an extent NCL LF's can & are controlled by EK marketing, whether this be pricing or direct advertising. On the times that I have used the route it has been abundantly clear that a significant number of the pax originated from north of the border attracted principally by significantly lower fares than those offered at GLA.
Clearly such a situation is not sustainable & a decline on such pax may contribute to the position now being experienced at NCL.
I have always had the view that to an extent NCL LF's can & are controlled by EK marketing, whether this be pricing or direct advertising. On the times that I have used the route it has been abundantly clear that a significant number of the pax originated from north of the border attracted principally by significantly lower fares than those offered at GLA.
Clearly such a situation is not sustainable & a decline on such pax may contribute to the position now being experienced at NCL.
Why unsustainable? Without wanting to re-ignite the APD discussions, southern Scotland is as much in NCL's catchement area as GLA's.
You get the impression that the guys running EK aren't stupid, so if they've upgraded from the 332 when they don't have to, I'm sure they've good commercial reasons
You get the impression that the guys running EK aren't stupid, so if they've upgraded from the 332 when they don't have to, I'm sure they've good commercial reasons
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Glasgow can't be doing too badly with EK:
Glasgow Airport: Emirates introduces second Boeing 777 on Glasgow - Dubai route
Glasgow Airport: Emirates introduces second Boeing 777 on Glasgow - Dubai route
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You can't compare Glasgow airport with ncl for the route.
Glasgow had been running a lot longer than ours
Also Glasgow plan was always a 777 2x daily from January next year this is due to the A340-300 leaving the fleet so they had to upgrade it.
The A330 are also leaving the fleet hence why ncl is now a daily 777!
I'm sure that both airports are makin money.
Remember passengers are only half the story it's what is carried in the hold too that is makin money.
I also think that KLM/AF are starting to fight back as there numbers are rising each month how ever I haven't had the time yet to compare prices between all of the airlines.
If in 12/18 months time the passenger numbers are down still then worry but if we are down is every other uk airport down too.
Think people need to look at the route as a hold and every other uk airport not just comparing us to Glasgow.
I've heard that bhx figures are down too but Manchester increasing but this maybe due to other long haul carriers there too and also they have the big airbus...
I'm sure there is nothing to worry about
Glasgow had been running a lot longer than ours
Also Glasgow plan was always a 777 2x daily from January next year this is due to the A340-300 leaving the fleet so they had to upgrade it.
The A330 are also leaving the fleet hence why ncl is now a daily 777!
I'm sure that both airports are makin money.
Remember passengers are only half the story it's what is carried in the hold too that is makin money.
I also think that KLM/AF are starting to fight back as there numbers are rising each month how ever I haven't had the time yet to compare prices between all of the airlines.
If in 12/18 months time the passenger numbers are down still then worry but if we are down is every other uk airport down too.
Think people need to look at the route as a hold and every other uk airport not just comparing us to Glasgow.
I've heard that bhx figures are down too but Manchester increasing but this maybe due to other long haul carriers there too and also they have the big airbus...
I'm sure there is nothing to worry about
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From the routes online article, this sentence stands out:
"Latest figures for September 2012 show an 18.4 per cent increase over the same month last year"
It's not that big an increase in passengers if you look at what the increase in capacity is even though there's hardly any competition for them at GLA. Having made the jump to a notional daily 77W at NCL but seeing lowish loads, it may be some considerable time before they go down the route of adding frequency to NCL
"Latest figures for September 2012 show an 18.4 per cent increase over the same month last year"
It's not that big an increase in passengers if you look at what the increase in capacity is even though there's hardly any competition for them at GLA. Having made the jump to a notional daily 77W at NCL but seeing lowish loads, it may be some considerable time before they go down the route of adding frequency to NCL
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Greetings from Cork, sorry to intrude. Just wondering what would be a routine flight time from Newcastle to Dubai, please?
The holiday season is all but upon us again so I am sure the load factors on the EK DXB-NCL will improve nicely once again.
What a pity did not get the AA JFK service a few years ago - have there been some Jet2 seasonal shopping flights to New York?
Thanks.
The holiday season is all but upon us again so I am sure the load factors on the EK DXB-NCL will improve nicely once again.
What a pity did not get the AA JFK service a few years ago - have there been some Jet2 seasonal shopping flights to New York?
Thanks.
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Hi Tom, the flight time from NCL to DXB is usually around the 6 and a half hour mark.
Jet 2 are doing the usual seasonal December flights to New York, the first one went out on Thurs.
Jet 2 are doing the usual seasonal December flights to New York, the first one went out on Thurs.
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re EK.
I seem to remember that when the 777 was announced there was also a statement from the Cargo Manager at EK in NCL extolling the freight carrying capacity expansion and how it was much needed in order to continue the rapid growth in this field.
I seem to remember that when the 777 was announced there was also a statement from the Cargo Manager at EK in NCL extolling the freight carrying capacity expansion and how it was much needed in order to continue the rapid growth in this field.
