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I agree with u
There was obviously a pissed off EK Pilot Maybe the No 1 said no the night before ..
Just because he has a biggish toy in his pram does not mean he is No 1
The ATC Guy did rite he told this arseole and apologised for the runway inspection what more can he do the Airport Ops guy had told ATC he wanted a Runway inspection Fine .
Would the EK Captain have been happy to let ATC let him go because he was EMIRATES and then he runs over something on the Runway has a Tyre blow and an emergency NO
Well done ATC this tosser in his EK 777 was totally out of order
Wud get my vote for Tosser of the Month at Manchester.
He cant just stamp his feet and everbody stands aside he is a Pilot Just like anybody else and has to do as he is told
I Hope hes reading this and if he does not like it Pxxs off back to the USA or werever you were conceived and let some of the English pilots get a job Like u have
SIR (CAPTAIN) you are an utter Wxxker
I agree with u
There was obviously a pissed off EK Pilot Maybe the No 1 said no the night before ..
Just because he has a biggish toy in his pram does not mean he is No 1
The ATC Guy did rite he told this arseole and apologised for the runway inspection what more can he do the Airport Ops guy had told ATC he wanted a Runway inspection Fine .
Would the EK Captain have been happy to let ATC let him go because he was EMIRATES and then he runs over something on the Runway has a Tyre blow and an emergency NO
Well done ATC this tosser in his EK 777 was totally out of order
Wud get my vote for Tosser of the Month at Manchester.
He cant just stamp his feet and everbody stands aside he is a Pilot Just like anybody else and has to do as he is told
I Hope hes reading this and if he does not like it Pxxs off back to the USA or werever you were conceived and let some of the English pilots get a job Like u have
SIR (CAPTAIN) you are an utter Wxxker
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This procedure is designed to cause minimum inconvenience to aircraft operators whilst at the same time providing adequate inspection routines.
but, as MA have as much info as ATC, [the "evening rush", etc] why can they not be flexible as to R/w ins...after all, any repeat ANY incident on the active, requires an inspection, so allowing x a/c to land, rather than burn [uneccessary?] fuel...just may be a good [Green] thing
As has already been pointed out ..... the aerodrome manual states the times and procedures followed.
In fact the times are "flexible" to an extent.
The scheduled inspections do not take place without first consulting with the Watch Manager to select a suitable time .... i.e. one which causes no or little disruption.
Bear in mind the intended times are published so it's not a case of having a sudden and unexpected scheduled runway inspection
That call is generally along the lines of "... need to get a routine runway inspection in on 23R/23L/both, when's a good time?"
It is actually not unheard of that if the watch manager advises "now's a bad time, looks better in XX minutes" or such like, then that's exactly what happens and later another call is made.
Sometime the response is "where are you, can get you on after the 75 on short finals, otherwise it'll be a while...." .. now that one can raise a sweat
Yes it's MAplc's train set and yes the inspections need to be done regularly and in accordance with the requirements of the aerodrome manual.
But, it's always mindful of customer needs and I've personally never been aware of any time when the advice of ATC has been ignored on when the inspection should take place.
On this ocassion Ops3 will not have just rolled up to Juliet 1 and that's the first that the tower knew of the inspection being required.
Ops3 will have made the call to the watch manager first, been told (probably) what the last movement a/c (arrival or departure & callsign) would be before he could do the inspection, he's listened for that one being given it's instructions & then has called the tower to confirm he's in position.
Now all that doesn't mean that every single inspection can be done without troubling someone, but generally everyone does try to avoid that.
No-one wants to complete an inspection and then have to backtrack half the runway to vacate ...
For other ad-hoc inspections/bird runs if you listen you'll hear often hear something like "routine" or "if traffic permits" etc mentioned when making the request .... that's an invitation to ATC to say it's not convenient right now, can you go away and come back later.
If there's a positive need to enter a runway then that will usually be identified to the controller when making the request.
It normally works well ..... but, sometimes someone doesn't like their day ....
In fact the times are "flexible" to an extent.
The scheduled inspections do not take place without first consulting with the Watch Manager to select a suitable time .... i.e. one which causes no or little disruption.
Bear in mind the intended times are published so it's not a case of having a sudden and unexpected scheduled runway inspection
That call is generally along the lines of "... need to get a routine runway inspection in on 23R/23L/both, when's a good time?"
It is actually not unheard of that if the watch manager advises "now's a bad time, looks better in XX minutes" or such like, then that's exactly what happens and later another call is made.
Sometime the response is "where are you, can get you on after the 75 on short finals, otherwise it'll be a while...." .. now that one can raise a sweat
Yes it's MAplc's train set and yes the inspections need to be done regularly and in accordance with the requirements of the aerodrome manual.
But, it's always mindful of customer needs and I've personally never been aware of any time when the advice of ATC has been ignored on when the inspection should take place.
On this ocassion Ops3 will not have just rolled up to Juliet 1 and that's the first that the tower knew of the inspection being required.
Ops3 will have made the call to the watch manager first, been told (probably) what the last movement a/c (arrival or departure & callsign) would be before he could do the inspection, he's listened for that one being given it's instructions & then has called the tower to confirm he's in position.
Now all that doesn't mean that every single inspection can be done without troubling someone, but generally everyone does try to avoid that.
No-one wants to complete an inspection and then have to backtrack half the runway to vacate ...
For other ad-hoc inspections/bird runs if you listen you'll hear often hear something like "routine" or "if traffic permits" etc mentioned when making the request .... that's an invitation to ATC to say it's not convenient right now, can you go away and come back later.
If there's a positive need to enter a runway then that will usually be identified to the controller when making the request.
It normally works well ..... but, sometimes someone doesn't like their day ....
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Early Morning Arrivals from LHR????
Just watching on flightradar 24 that BA28 and VS201 are coming off the coast of Holland for LHR, which does not open for another 3hours if the 07:00 opening time holds, Any chance Manchester can open its arms to
something from LHR????
something from LHR????
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Easrly Morning arrivals from LHR
Sorry l should have said BA26 and it has just turned North West over the North Sea heading for Ipswich, we may be getting this one - its G-CIVW. Does anybody have any info if its us or PIK maybe
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Safety should never be 'liaised' with. It should always been of paramount importance!
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Is there an ongoing issues with the 23R ILS? Maybe related to nightly WIP?
I see there is a NOTAM in place until at least 17.00 advising no ILS 23R
There seem to be a large number of inbounds on VOR/DME approaches onto 23R today, and more than usual using this approach in recent weeks when 23 ops have been used.
I see there is a NOTAM in place until at least 17.00 advising no ILS 23R
There seem to be a large number of inbounds on VOR/DME approaches onto 23R today, and more than usual using this approach in recent weeks when 23 ops have been used.
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Please sort out the Staff Car Park!
Calling whoever it is who runs the car parks:
You have redesigned Staff West without telling anyone. Staff can't drive in where they've always been used to. Unfortunately there aren't even any new signs so the whole area is a mass of confused staff, reversing cars and unhappy bus drivers. All you've done is cover up the old sign.
Would it really be too much trouble to put up a big notice that people can actually see?
I tried to talk to you in person but your team went home at 4.45pm.
Please, let's have a little more thought and consideration. There is enough disruption and emotion around at the moment without you making things worse. Thanks.
You have redesigned Staff West without telling anyone. Staff can't drive in where they've always been used to. Unfortunately there aren't even any new signs so the whole area is a mass of confused staff, reversing cars and unhappy bus drivers. All you've done is cover up the old sign.
Would it really be too much trouble to put up a big notice that people can actually see?
I tried to talk to you in person but your team went home at 4.45pm.
Please, let's have a little more thought and consideration. There is enough disruption and emotion around at the moment without you making things worse. Thanks.
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I agree Bob, its like trying to escape a Harry Potter nightmare getting out of staff west. I cannot see any advantage to the new system.
Also, I'm sure when it went from 1 bus for T1 and 1 for T2 we were told it would always be a big bendy bus. We seem to get the small bus most of the time. I have had a full small bus sail past on more than once at the bottom stop.
Also, I'm sure when it went from 1 bus for T1 and 1 for T2 we were told it would always be a big bendy bus. We seem to get the small bus most of the time. I have had a full small bus sail past on more than once at the bottom stop.
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ILS outages
This week the RCMS (remote control and monitoring system) on the ILS is being worked on, to tie in the feeds from the newly installed 05L system. This requires both ends of the ILS to be off, it is not a fault with the system which is driving the use of VOR/DME. The end is now in sight for the ILS project. Flight commissioning checks of the new 05L take place later this month. After that it is snagging, burn-in, and certification.
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Staff West
Lexxity,
Could be because the barriers are up on the entrance where we turn left towards Staff West (well, been up on the entry all last week since the changes). If you were off on your hols and saw a barrier up wouldn't you go for it?
I hope they sort it out soon coz its not too cleaver around the 6am rush! I'm sure they know what they are doing
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Could be because the barriers are up on the entrance where we turn left towards Staff West (well, been up on the entry all last week since the changes). If you were off on your hols and saw a barrier up wouldn't you go for it?
I hope they sort it out soon coz its not too cleaver around the 6am rush! I'm sure they know what they are doing
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Staff West
The new staff car park layout is an accident waiting to happen!
I aggree with Bob_Harris_721
They have moved the barriers and access but not the road markings/arrows, i was head to head today with a car coming the opposite way as we could't see each other due to all the cars double parked and the road is only one car wide!
If its going to stay like this they need to make it one way (not that anyone will)
Yet another expert design from MAG
I aggree with Bob_Harris_721
They have moved the barriers and access but not the road markings/arrows, i was head to head today with a car coming the opposite way as we could't see each other due to all the cars double parked and the road is only one car wide!
If its going to stay like this they need to make it one way (not that anyone will)
Yet another expert design from MAG
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Staff West - the farce continues...
Well, the sign has arrived, directing staff into the new entrance - except that it is beyond the old entrance and tucked well to the side so that it can't actually be seen until you have found the new entrance - by which time you don't actually need the sign.
And then you turn in and go through the barrier. Turn left and you get to go down a narrow single track along the edge, dodging those cars that can't fit into their spaces, and with frequent attacks from joining vehicles. Turn right and you find yourself along the other edge, which is also a single track - but this time it's two-way and therefore extremely exciting.
Health and Safety, where are you when we really need you?
And then you turn in and go through the barrier. Turn left and you get to go down a narrow single track along the edge, dodging those cars that can't fit into their spaces, and with frequent attacks from joining vehicles. Turn right and you find yourself along the other edge, which is also a single track - but this time it's two-way and therefore extremely exciting.
Health and Safety, where are you when we really need you?
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Staff West is not free, I think our spotty airline pay something in the order of 250 per year for each space. We should be treated with a little repect. Not asking for the world, all I want is an easy trip to work, the airport play with the car park but do sweet fa for the airside guys. Great ATC sh1t infrastucture. Try parking on 11 when the wind is blowing! Or as I had a few months back when the mirror is frosted up! Welcome to Manchester International Airport! Dont get me on about OCS........... ( not the boys and girls pushing the great lazy mass, the ones in charge!)RANT RANT RANT RANT
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AVP re-naming !?
I'm led to believe that the Famous AVP is to undergo re-naming to the Runway Viewing Park (RVP), in order to "Stimulate" more business!! (Probably will by confusing the Fire brigades who are instructed to use Emergency Rendevous Points, - eRVP's!)
Well that's really going to drag thousands through the gates isn't it (If this is indeed true) !!??
When will somebody with a bit of vision grasp hold of the opportunity and turn this into the Northwest Aviation Heritage Park and place more exhibits within it to really make it worthwhile visiting. I'd imagine that everyone whose interested in "Planes" in NW England has seen Concorde by now - boring. Along with the newly aquired Nimrod, how about displaying a Tornado, Jaguar, HS.125, etc that have all got North-West connections in that they were designed and built here.(Plenty of Tornados being chopped at Leeming at present).
I recently visited a Museum at Hermeskiel in Germany. Situated right in the middle of nowhere at all, no airfield within miles of it, on the side of hill and filled to the gunnels with all-sorts of interesting exhibits, including a Dan-Air Comet ! The punters were there in abundance to.
Come on MA, either make it worthwhile or stop trying to re-invent by just a name change. The place has become a tired, and when wet, a muddy and expensive field that just makes my car look as if it's been round two laps of a local quarry!.
Well that's really going to drag thousands through the gates isn't it (If this is indeed true) !!??
When will somebody with a bit of vision grasp hold of the opportunity and turn this into the Northwest Aviation Heritage Park and place more exhibits within it to really make it worthwhile visiting. I'd imagine that everyone whose interested in "Planes" in NW England has seen Concorde by now - boring. Along with the newly aquired Nimrod, how about displaying a Tornado, Jaguar, HS.125, etc that have all got North-West connections in that they were designed and built here.(Plenty of Tornados being chopped at Leeming at present).
I recently visited a Museum at Hermeskiel in Germany. Situated right in the middle of nowhere at all, no airfield within miles of it, on the side of hill and filled to the gunnels with all-sorts of interesting exhibits, including a Dan-Air Comet ! The punters were there in abundance to.
Come on MA, either make it worthwhile or stop trying to re-invent by just a name change. The place has become a tired, and when wet, a muddy and expensive field that just makes my car look as if it's been round two laps of a local quarry!.