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Lets dig up George Harvey (RIP) Kick the police out his old house and make hime the new boss..
Get Peter Hampson Back he would do in 1 month what the committee have don in the last year
I Know lots of folks were anti Peter (Mainly the commitee) but with due respect to Peter and his old team they got things done and would listen to any suggestions for improvement..
Peter Has my vote any day
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Gerry X NEA
Get Peter Hampson Back he would do in 1 month what the committee have don in the last year
I Know lots of folks were anti Peter (Mainly the commitee) but with due respect to Peter and his old team they got things done and would listen to any suggestions for improvement..
Peter Has my vote any day
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This departure is indeed overdue and most welcome. MAN now has a chance to draw a line under 10+ years of under-investment and lack of clear business direction which recognises that aviation, and not retail, will always be the core driver, even if it makes a smaller direct contribution to revenues.
Well said roverman, at last some common sense.
We can't overlook the fact that a part of Manchester's decline has been caused by terrorism (9/11) and more recently the econominc down turn. However, the rot set in several years ago when key people who had a proper understanding and enthusiasm for aviation and Mnchester Airport started to leave - in my mind, although some out there will undoubted disagree (and probably not mince their words in doing so!) Peter Hampson is one of the classic examples. Those who left were replaced by "grey suited" managers who undoubtedly had completed with distinction the appropriate management courses and were well versed in "PC speak"! But they didn't and never will have the ability to run a successful international airport.
I digress for a moment. I work for a Government department involved in the administration of Justice. Some years ago we underwent a major restructuring and new directors and chief executives were appointed. Few had any appropriate background coming from sectors such as the Post Office and the national Blood Transfusion Service. Needless to say they were clueless and the "Service" has suffered as a result. Now there are those who maintain that if you have a management qualification you have the abilty to manage any organisation. My response is simple = "NUTS"!!
To return to the Manchester CEO theme - at last there is an opportunity to appoint a CEO and management team who has a sound understanding and an enthusiasm for aviation and manchester inparticular. But I fear the opportunity may be lost - there are undoubtedly those out there who will be able to identify better and more qualified candidates - for example the bankers who have done such a sterling jobof managing our economy. Or they may prefer to select an unemployed NHS Manager or local authority director.But lets not also forget that there a general election on the horizon so there will be a vast pool of former MPs to pick from!!
I know I will attract critics some of who may decide that being offensive is their best form of reply or attack. "C'est la vie"!!!
Well said roverman, at last some common sense.
We can't overlook the fact that a part of Manchester's decline has been caused by terrorism (9/11) and more recently the econominc down turn. However, the rot set in several years ago when key people who had a proper understanding and enthusiasm for aviation and Mnchester Airport started to leave - in my mind, although some out there will undoubted disagree (and probably not mince their words in doing so!) Peter Hampson is one of the classic examples. Those who left were replaced by "grey suited" managers who undoubtedly had completed with distinction the appropriate management courses and were well versed in "PC speak"! But they didn't and never will have the ability to run a successful international airport.
I digress for a moment. I work for a Government department involved in the administration of Justice. Some years ago we underwent a major restructuring and new directors and chief executives were appointed. Few had any appropriate background coming from sectors such as the Post Office and the national Blood Transfusion Service. Needless to say they were clueless and the "Service" has suffered as a result. Now there are those who maintain that if you have a management qualification you have the abilty to manage any organisation. My response is simple = "NUTS"!!
To return to the Manchester CEO theme - at last there is an opportunity to appoint a CEO and management team who has a sound understanding and an enthusiasm for aviation and manchester inparticular. But I fear the opportunity may be lost - there are undoubtedly those out there who will be able to identify better and more qualified candidates - for example the bankers who have done such a sterling jobof managing our economy. Or they may prefer to select an unemployed NHS Manager or local authority director.But lets not also forget that there a general election on the horizon so there will be a vast pool of former MPs to pick from!!
I know I will attract critics some of who may decide that being offensive is their best form of reply or attack. "C'est la vie"!!!
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Very good post, I agree totally when will businesses learn that you need staff
who know the business otherwise all knowlege is lost and has to be relearnt often
taking a long time and at a great cost to the company.
Where I work we seem to get a hight turn over of managers as they are moved around
and all that happens is just as they getting it right they are moved and we are back to square 1
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Very good post, I agree totally when will businesses learn that you need staff
who know the business otherwise all knowlege is lost and has to be relearnt often
taking a long time and at a great cost to the company.
Where I work we seem to get a hight turn over of managers as they are moved around
and all that happens is just as they getting it right they are moved and we are back to square 1
Ian B
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Daynehold:
100% correct
They are everywhere!
Not just MAN
Senior executive who are appointed because they can "talk the talk"
They know the "theory of everything"..
and the practical application of little , if anything.
All you need is a massive ego, (self belief) and the ability to "bullsxxt"ad nauseum.
And an ability to bully also helps.
Disagreement, alternate views are not required, indeed are frowned upon, even if the come from experienced people, especially any who care about doing the job "right" rather than looking good themslves.
Local Govt, NHS, DfT, Elfin Safety, Govt Depts of "most things" and many (most?) large business's have the same problem.
Looking good is more important than being good.
You must toe the party line.
Being good means doing the job properly and professionally for the benefit of the business... and its clients and employees.
Many senior managers dont even realise this.
The Government do this.
They set the standards and industry follows.
Its all become about looking good, and it is a total disgrace
End of rant! :-)
100% correct
They are everywhere!
Not just MAN
Senior executive who are appointed because they can "talk the talk"
They know the "theory of everything"..
and the practical application of little , if anything.
All you need is a massive ego, (self belief) and the ability to "bullsxxt"ad nauseum.
And an ability to bully also helps.
Disagreement, alternate views are not required, indeed are frowned upon, even if the come from experienced people, especially any who care about doing the job "right" rather than looking good themslves.
Local Govt, NHS, DfT, Elfin Safety, Govt Depts of "most things" and many (most?) large business's have the same problem.
Looking good is more important than being good.
You must toe the party line.
Being good means doing the job properly and professionally for the benefit of the business... and its clients and employees.
Many senior managers dont even realise this.
The Government do this.
They set the standards and industry follows.
Its all become about looking good, and it is a total disgrace
End of rant! :-)
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The actions of these idiots is in stark contrast to a lot of the common sense spoken on this forum and some of the names mentioned.
...but sadly reading the full news release suggestes the gravy train just keeps on flowing.
They are talking about two internal appintments.....typical !
So part of the managerment team whose strategy or indeed lack of it has so crippled the place, are it seems in the frame to take over......
But hey, what else did we really expect ?
...but sadly reading the full news release suggestes the gravy train just keeps on flowing.
They are talking about two internal appintments.....typical !
So part of the managerment team whose strategy or indeed lack of it has so crippled the place, are it seems in the frame to take over......
But hey, what else did we really expect ?
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...can I also suggest that some of the excellent bloggers on here also stick there comments on the M.E.N. response page....
..just be nice to make sure the MEN understand the strength of feeling !
..trustme you will feel better
Airport chief Geoff Muirhead to retire - Business - News - Manchester Evening News
...you never know they might even have an investigative journalist who might mount an investigation... (nah maybe not) !
We currently have a second runway and a terminal which might as well be mothballed, an ILS system which appear crocked, a taxiway system falling apart and all this against investment in three other airports which have no benefit to the travelling public in the North West !
..just be nice to make sure the MEN understand the strength of feeling !
..trustme you will feel better
Airport chief Geoff Muirhead to retire - Business - News - Manchester Evening News
...you never know they might even have an investigative journalist who might mount an investigation... (nah maybe not) !
We currently have a second runway and a terminal which might as well be mothballed, an ILS system which appear crocked, a taxiway system falling apart and all this against investment in three other airports which have no benefit to the travelling public in the North West !
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Allegedly when Sir Gil left, so did many other aviation-minded professionals.
Sadly, every industry seems to be infested with these clackfart-language spouting, grey-suited, MBA totin' butterfly management types.
The number of unnecessary holding-patterns flown around Manchester in the last 12 months is, in itself, a testament to their incompetence.
" value the whole airport experience'=management-speak.
Sadly, every industry seems to be infested with these clackfart-language spouting, grey-suited, MBA totin' butterfly management types.
The number of unnecessary holding-patterns flown around Manchester in the last 12 months is, in itself, a testament to their incompetence.
" value the whole airport experience'=management-speak.
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Shrewsbury Lad - your suggest that "If you have such misgivings about the management and strategy I find it slightly odd that you have not taken yourself off to an equivalent airport in the EU..."
I find it not slightly but extremely odd that you would even suggest such a thing. "Oh, work isn't so good, so I'll sell my house, move my whole family to a different country and maybe find somewhere a bit better" is not normal behaviour. In fact, I'd go so far as to say it's a truly moronic suggestion. Not a shining example of a first post on PPRUNE.
I find it not slightly but extremely odd that you would even suggest such a thing. "Oh, work isn't so good, so I'll sell my house, move my whole family to a different country and maybe find somewhere a bit better" is not normal behaviour. In fact, I'd go so far as to say it's a truly moronic suggestion. Not a shining example of a first post on PPRUNE.
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Roverman sums it all up very well.
I'd giggle seeing Hampo back. I'd also add some of the great marketing minds of the 80s and 90s to the list: Paul Connellan, Tim Jeans and Clive Condie, for example.
If I were to get the job, my first 100 day business plan would be:
Seek investment capital to buy out the group from the councils, including the land freehold (I know that'll be expensive but it'll reduce costs, because the ground rent is artificially high as the councils/freeholders treat it as extra dividend. Also a disproportionate amount of it goes straight to C of Mcr, not the other nine).
Install an experienced Board, chair and directors.
Cut losses by selling Humberside and BOH. Keep EMA for its potential.
Increase maintenance investment. Close large chunks of a/f and t/w now while it's quiet, for repair/replacement.
Move most admin functions off-site to release on-site accommodation for premium rents.
Restructure and make office staff re-apply for own jobs on less money. It is fact that most non-operational staff are over-paid versus the wider economy, proven by the extremely low turnover of said staff.
Encourage new staff with relevant experience to stir things up and add new ideas.
Reduce the number of ground handling licences to end the destructive race to the lowest cost, which kills investment and customer service.
Stop focussing on growth, aiming instead for improved customer service/retention.
Use the pricing policy more aggressively to a) move traffic out of peaks, b) increase average a/c size and c) favour quieter and cleaner a/c types.
I'd giggle seeing Hampo back. I'd also add some of the great marketing minds of the 80s and 90s to the list: Paul Connellan, Tim Jeans and Clive Condie, for example.
If I were to get the job, my first 100 day business plan would be:
Seek investment capital to buy out the group from the councils, including the land freehold (I know that'll be expensive but it'll reduce costs, because the ground rent is artificially high as the councils/freeholders treat it as extra dividend. Also a disproportionate amount of it goes straight to C of Mcr, not the other nine).
Install an experienced Board, chair and directors.
Cut losses by selling Humberside and BOH. Keep EMA for its potential.
Increase maintenance investment. Close large chunks of a/f and t/w now while it's quiet, for repair/replacement.
Move most admin functions off-site to release on-site accommodation for premium rents.
Restructure and make office staff re-apply for own jobs on less money. It is fact that most non-operational staff are over-paid versus the wider economy, proven by the extremely low turnover of said staff.
Encourage new staff with relevant experience to stir things up and add new ideas.
Reduce the number of ground handling licences to end the destructive race to the lowest cost, which kills investment and customer service.
Stop focussing on growth, aiming instead for improved customer service/retention.
Use the pricing policy more aggressively to a) move traffic out of peaks, b) increase average a/c size and c) favour quieter and cleaner a/c types.
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Caught out by weather forecast, expecting light snow flurries, got dumped on (about 3-4 inches) minimal staff available to cope.
MAN will you wake up !
The world is watching
Will the new CEO have the balls to shake this bunch of shop keepers up and give the airport ops guys and gals some support and money to do the job properly.
MAN will you wake up !
The world is watching
Will the new CEO have the balls to shake this bunch of shop keepers up and give the airport ops guys and gals some support and money to do the job properly.
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Thought councils empty the bins, not run airports
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Re my post of the 29th
I wish the council s would wake up
Let get Hampo and all his old gang back and lets start running this Airport as it should be.
I am sure if Powerful Pierre were returned there would be few NO LOTS of worried people in the Ivory Tower as they have been ploding about for years
There would be one or two and probably a lot more desks being emptied in Senior Management (so to Speak)
Lets have all the Old Gang back like it was 10 Years ago and get this Airport back into the World league it deserves to be.
KING HAMPPO RULES
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Gerry X NEA
I wish the council s would wake up
Let get Hampo and all his old gang back and lets start running this Airport as it should be.
I am sure if Powerful Pierre were returned there would be few NO LOTS of worried people in the Ivory Tower as they have been ploding about for years
There would be one or two and probably a lot more desks being emptied in Senior Management (so to Speak)
Lets have all the Old Gang back like it was 10 Years ago and get this Airport back into the World league it deserves to be.
KING HAMPPO RULES
Regards to all
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So it's MAN's fault that the forecast was wrong and so weren't prepared. Perhaps you want them to have all staff at the airport on overtime, which means they'll pass the charges onto the airlnes which means the airlines will say "bye-bye Manchester" as you're now too expensive to operate into.
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Seek investment capital to buy out the group from the councils, including the land freehold (I know that'll be expensive but it'll reduce costs, because the ground rent is artificially high as the councils/freeholders treat it as extra dividend. Also a disproportionate amount of it goes straight to C of Mcr, not the other nine).
I have no idea of the distribution of profits but the apparent disproportionality referred to may simply be a reflection of the proportionate holding each council has, Manchester 55% the other nine 5% each.
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Just watching the United game at Arsenal and could not help but notice the advertisement boards.
Whenever watching MOTD you will see Emirates dominate the digital boards with their lowest fares and destinations etc. from LONDON.
HOWEVER, the airline are covering the boards in promoting their 'two daily flights to Dubai and beyond' from Manchester.
So...for all your 'United fan's live in London' people - Emirates PR agents clearly don't agree!
Whenever watching MOTD you will see Emirates dominate the digital boards with their lowest fares and destinations etc. from LONDON.
HOWEVER, the airline are covering the boards in promoting their 'two daily flights to Dubai and beyond' from Manchester.
So...for all your 'United fan's live in London' people - Emirates PR agents clearly don't agree!
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I noticed while watching the city v utd cup match last week that many of the digital adverts were promoting companies with no obvious connection to the UK, some were even in chinese or japanese (not sure).
Just goes to show the worldwide pulling power of the game.
Another thought, does anyone know if the constantly changing signs distract the players ??
Just goes to show the worldwide pulling power of the game.
Another thought, does anyone know if the constantly changing signs distract the players ??