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Oh Dear!
So Saudia pull -out as well!!
The last time I checked a load factor on this was ten days ago and it had 165 outbound. Now seeing it is load restricted out of Man because of its pick-up in GVA, I reckon this is pretty good, plus add any freight contribution.
I'd love to know what exactly they require to enable it to become sustainable? I'm sure there are other places that they operate to that yield less than Manchester?!
On the Ryaniar front, I do hope that MA place a BIG sign on the front of Concorde Hangar saying ""Bye Bye Ryanair", or maybe Flybe or Jet 2 could adopt it!!??
The last time I checked a load factor on this was ten days ago and it had 165 outbound. Now seeing it is load restricted out of Man because of its pick-up in GVA, I reckon this is pretty good, plus add any freight contribution.
I'd love to know what exactly they require to enable it to become sustainable? I'm sure there are other places that they operate to that yield less than Manchester?!
On the Ryaniar front, I do hope that MA place a BIG sign on the front of Concorde Hangar saying ""Bye Bye Ryanair", or maybe Flybe or Jet 2 could adopt it!!??
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Saudia to discontinue RUH
Saudia Website is showing the last available flight ex MAN as Monday 28th December.
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If Manchester really wanted to get even,why oh why don't they fightback and ban the RYR - Dublin service...............
EI would be upping capacity like a shot and for once it would show that the airport management had some balls.....!
EI would be upping capacity like a shot and for once it would show that the airport management had some balls.....!
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Ryanair wont drop the Dublin Route for one reason............
It's always full of Man United Fans...........would be great to see if the Airport had the balls to do it though!!.......Time right for a North of England Aer Lingus base????
It's always full of Man United Fans...........would be great to see if the Airport had the balls to do it though!!.......Time right for a North of England Aer Lingus base????
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Basic misunderstanding, no cross subsidy involved.
Manchester isn't comparable to Shannon or Prestwick.
Manchester isn't comparable to Shannon or Prestwick.
In terms of Ryanair bases, the SNN and PIK analogy is used to show what happens when airport management makes a bad deal with the Devil.
It's always full of Man United Fans...........would be great to see if the Airport had the balls to do it though!!.......Time right for a North of England Aer Lingus base????
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In response to #1532 from Based:
AFAIK prices are regulated and published, so if RYR falls outside the rules for discounted fees, changing the rules for their now established routes would mean every other airline could claim discounts. That way, madness and bankruptcy lie.
As MAN is usually at capacity in all elements from car parking, through check-in, baggage, security, lounge, gates, apron, taxiway, runway etc. then adding more routes will trigger the need to spend more to add capacity. No point spending if the route you add is provided by an airline that doesn't pay anything. It's called marginal return on investment.
I've said for some time that MAN should cap its pax numbers and spend its time and effort on improving the passenger experience. That way, airlines that focus on service and quality rather than price will want to come, and will pay top dollar to do so, resulting in greater profit for all parties. There's really nothing clever about chasing down to the lowest common denominator.
Ryanair are bottom feeders, economically speaking, and are best suited to airports with spare capacity where the marginal costs of servicing them are minimal. That's just not the case at MAN where all capacity is at a premium, and therefore has a commercial value.
I do like Navpi's idea of telling RYR that if they're stopping all the other routes, they should stop DUB too! They can't do that as they have to let airlines run any service they ask for, but I bet they thought about it!
AFAIK prices are regulated and published, so if RYR falls outside the rules for discounted fees, changing the rules for their now established routes would mean every other airline could claim discounts. That way, madness and bankruptcy lie.
As MAN is usually at capacity in all elements from car parking, through check-in, baggage, security, lounge, gates, apron, taxiway, runway etc. then adding more routes will trigger the need to spend more to add capacity. No point spending if the route you add is provided by an airline that doesn't pay anything. It's called marginal return on investment.
I've said for some time that MAN should cap its pax numbers and spend its time and effort on improving the passenger experience. That way, airlines that focus on service and quality rather than price will want to come, and will pay top dollar to do so, resulting in greater profit for all parties. There's really nothing clever about chasing down to the lowest common denominator.
Ryanair are bottom feeders, economically speaking, and are best suited to airports with spare capacity where the marginal costs of servicing them are minimal. That's just not the case at MAN where all capacity is at a premium, and therefore has a commercial value.
I do like Navpi's idea of telling RYR that if they're stopping all the other routes, they should stop DUB too! They can't do that as they have to let airlines run any service they ask for, but I bet they thought about it!
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AFAIK prices are regulated and published, so if RYR falls outside the rules for discounted fees, changing the rules for their now established routes would mean every other airline could claim discounts. That way, madness and bankruptcy lie.
As MAN is usually at capacity in all elements from car parking, through check-in, baggage, security, lounge, gates, apron, taxiway, runway etc. then adding more routes will trigger the need to spend more to add capacity. No point spending if the route you add is provided by an airline that doesn't pay anything. It's called marginal return on investment.
I've said for some time that MAN should cap its pax numbers and spend its time and effort on improving the passenger experience. That way, airlines that focus on service and quality rather than price will want to come, and will pay top dollar to do so, resulting in greater profit for all parties. There's really nothing clever about chasing down to the lowest common denominator.
Ryanair are bottom feeders, economically speaking, and are best suited to airports with spare capacity where the marginal costs of servicing them are minimal. That's just not the case at MAN where all capacity is at a premium, and therefore has a commercial value.
I do like Navpi's idea of telling RYR that if they're stopping all the other routes, they should stop DUB too! They can't do that as they have to let airlines run any service they ask for, but I bet they thought about it!
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[QUOTE][Thought they were dropping to 1 a week not pulling out
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I don't think that even Ryanair could make a profit on just one flight a week !!!
I think you meant to say dropping to 1 service, which will probably be a 4 x day rotation?
I'd still like to see a Bye Bye Ryanair sign somewhere on the airfield, after all Ryanair have never hung back trying to get one over on their rivals by putting slogans on the side of their aircraft. About time they got a bit of their own medicine
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I don't think that even Ryanair could make a profit on just one flight a week !!!
I think you meant to say dropping to 1 service, which will probably be a 4 x day rotation?
I'd still like to see a Bye Bye Ryanair sign somewhere on the airfield, after all Ryanair have never hung back trying to get one over on their rivals by putting slogans on the side of their aircraft. About time they got a bit of their own medicine
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Saudia
Check out their website. There are no flights between MAN and any Saudi City after 1/1/2010. I have enquired with the airline as I work for an agency who allocate seats on this flight. Looks like a trip via Europe or London now!
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goodbye ryanair
come on guys lets get a petition going!!!! ryanair to be banned from manchester!!! get rid of their dublin route!! let another airline that gives a toss the chance to fly it... aer lingus in fact.....
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Runway closures
Times are tight - so are some management waistlines 
Anyway, somebody asked a while ago about runway closures on Friday 14th and Monday 17th. Don't know about 14th, but this is what UK Airport News said about 17th. Looks like it was copied direct from the Manchester Evening News - where the story has no byline. Sounds like it was probably written by the summer job experience person; no, on second thoughts it was probably a grizzled hack .......
18.08.09
Flights had to be diverted and others left mid-air above Manchester Airport yesterday when staff were forced to carry out emergency repairs to the runway. Problems with a broken, sunken light on the runway serving terminal two and three forced the airport to divert planes to land at terminal one.
[Translation - 23R was shut and 23L was brought into use] At least eight flights were sent to Leeds Bradford, Birmingham and Liverpool airports to refuel before returning to land at Manchester. An airport spokesman said: ‘We had to close a runway for a short time to make some emergency repairs to a sunken light twice during the afternoon. It did mean some flights had to hold and others had to divert to local airports to refuel, but later returned here to offload passengers.’
I believe that on each occasion it took about 15 minutes to get 23L into operation as the airport was on single runway 23R. On Monday the EK went to BHX for a splash and dash, got airborne again and wasn't best pleased as it had to go into the hold at Dayne as the runway was shut again.
Let's hope that 23R survives the winter before its major refurbish next year.
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