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MAN - Future
It's clear that MAN's arrogant position in the past is now coming back to bite it on the backside as LCC's or at least the big boys are firmly settled down the road.
But is this entirely negative? from a strategic point of view MAN needs to clarify it's offering to world airlines and without a home based airline this needs careful planning and consideration.
It needs to make itself attractive to the internationals and give them something extra.....
As no UK airport currently has US Immigration clearance could this be somthing? I'm sure there are lots of legalities but with the amount of UK Border Agency trials the airport is involved in they surely must have the right contacts. This may not have a direct impact on LHR traffic but would give them an edge over other regionals both within the UK and the rest of Europe.
Second issue is O&D vs Connecting traffic, as the LCC "big boys" have stayed away we have ended up with a reasonable LCC alternative in the form of flybe (I Know they have their faults but which arirline doesnt!).
Flybe are in a strong position and they do already offer connections, they have experience of Code Share with BA, AF, CO and the inclusive pricing necessary for this sector of the market.
Most importantly they are not alligned to any alliance.
This could play to Manchesters perceived weakness of piecemeal operators using the airport, Flybe could become the Alaska of NW UK with codeshares to its onward network. As a result we may also eventually see new destinations and the return of old favourites which would not be relying solely on O&D traffic.
Obviously BA with its 15% stake in Flybe may not want passengers being able to conncet outside of LHR but with the right offering and potentially a two way push between flybe and MAN management this could give the airport what it craves and needs.
A three way proposal including US pre-clearance would be the icing on the cake. Even in the current economic and aviation climate this could be a win win all round.
Any thoughts (and leave the flames for someone else please)
But is this entirely negative? from a strategic point of view MAN needs to clarify it's offering to world airlines and without a home based airline this needs careful planning and consideration.
It needs to make itself attractive to the internationals and give them something extra.....
As no UK airport currently has US Immigration clearance could this be somthing? I'm sure there are lots of legalities but with the amount of UK Border Agency trials the airport is involved in they surely must have the right contacts. This may not have a direct impact on LHR traffic but would give them an edge over other regionals both within the UK and the rest of Europe.
Second issue is O&D vs Connecting traffic, as the LCC "big boys" have stayed away we have ended up with a reasonable LCC alternative in the form of flybe (I Know they have their faults but which arirline doesnt!).
Flybe are in a strong position and they do already offer connections, they have experience of Code Share with BA, AF, CO and the inclusive pricing necessary for this sector of the market.
Most importantly they are not alligned to any alliance.
This could play to Manchesters perceived weakness of piecemeal operators using the airport, Flybe could become the Alaska of NW UK with codeshares to its onward network. As a result we may also eventually see new destinations and the return of old favourites which would not be relying solely on O&D traffic.
Obviously BA with its 15% stake in Flybe may not want passengers being able to conncet outside of LHR but with the right offering and potentially a two way push between flybe and MAN management this could give the airport what it craves and needs.
A three way proposal including US pre-clearance would be the icing on the cake. Even in the current economic and aviation climate this could be a win win all round.
Any thoughts (and leave the flames for someone else please)
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I wouldn't bank on BE being of much help.
Despite talk to the contrary they have not expanded at MAN either with frequency or routes. The fact is they have retreated.
"Europes largest Regional" airline as the call themselves seem to want to be less regional and it is clear that they now have other fish to fry and are going to be concentrating their efforts at LGW. That is where the expansion is going to be and not in the regions as recent developments have shown
I could be wrong and hope I am wrong but they have so far done little for MAN in my opinion
Despite talk to the contrary they have not expanded at MAN either with frequency or routes. The fact is they have retreated.
"Europes largest Regional" airline as the call themselves seem to want to be less regional and it is clear that they now have other fish to fry and are going to be concentrating their efforts at LGW. That is where the expansion is going to be and not in the regions as recent developments have shown
I could be wrong and hope I am wrong but they have so far done little for MAN in my opinion
As no UK airport currently has US Immigration clearance could this be somthing? I'm sure there are lots of legalities but with the amount of UK Border Agency trials the airport is involved in they surely must have the right contacts. This may not have a direct impact on LHR traffic but would give them an edge over other regionals both within the UK and the rest of Europe.
As I understand it where it operates in Eire the area where the US officials operate is formally designated as territory under US govt. authority.... the UK willl not permit this (outside of Grosvenor Square!).
One might consider this a strangely reticent position to be taken by a "semi-detached" State of the U.S.
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SQ are back daily from 30/5
I thought SQ were just going to change the days of non operation back to Tues/Thurs ex MAN.
just seen a very interesting email from head office regarding JAL, includes a 773,
ill get more when i can....
G-STAW
ill get more when i can....
G-STAW
One of the best ones this year.
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just bto say that the man-jfk 1503 was always full and usually 6 tonnes of freight but got rid of by political and costfixings/all of which were manufactured by london/we all knew the jfk service was the most profitable 767 in the fleet but willie decided to use a slot in jfk for a lgw serrvice/by getting rid of man based crew the costs were then said tobe ""excessive"/of course they were but it was part of a m,aster plan/as for bmi the open skies was only a matter of time to use the big a/c in london/both ba and bmi have crap standsa t man and a re frequently delayed by up to 15 minutes trying to push in the cul de sac
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If BACON do start MAN - LCY what are the chances of VLM retaining their current frequencies? Not good I would guess so the airport is once again likely to see no net benefit or net increase in pax as two airlines fight over the same passengers on a route...
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it was a diversion contract for JAL
Doubt we will ever see such a diversion with JL arrivals midday, unless of course London gets a dusting of snow
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From what I can remember contracts with handling agencies,coach companies, hotels
and restaurants are put in place at various diversion fields incase of exactly that so they don`t have to go getting quotes and things are put on standby as soon as the weather deteriorates
Ian
and restaurants are put in place at various diversion fields incase of exactly that so they don`t have to go getting quotes and things are put on standby as soon as the weather deteriorates
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Would it be that the combined group of VLM/AF/KLM is probably too dominant at LCY in terms of slots they hold? Would it be the case that they may be required to dispose of some of these slots? Maybe this is how BACF may get to introduce LCY-MAN, if they have A/C to do it with even!
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hi guys
i read this interesting report on airliners.net http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4250997/
I think some one should forward the report to MAN hierarchy.
i read this interesting report on airliners.net http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4250997/
I think some one should forward the report to MAN hierarchy.
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I can't get the link to open but there was a thread today of why
Air India should make Manchester a hub.
If it is that one, it will rank as one of the funniest reads over Christmas -brilliant but unfortunately I think it is supposed to be serious.
There are one or two excellent posters on a.net but this kind of thing is what ruins it for them..........
Pete
Air India should make Manchester a hub.
If it is that one, it will rank as one of the funniest reads over Christmas -brilliant but unfortunately I think it is supposed to be serious.
There are one or two excellent posters on a.net but this kind of thing is what ruins it for them..........
Pete
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I read that "10,000 words of my own ideas to the board of Air India why I think they should have a hub at Manchester." Now I am something of an enthusiast but that gives us all a bad name. Alas I refuse to pay the fee to tell them that....
Read it if you can it's priceless!
Read it if you can it's priceless!