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Old 13th Nov 2008, 10:37
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That's more like it

What's the latest on the Air China Beijing service, scheduled to start "March 09". I know the whole financial world has changed, since the announcement of the CAAC expansion plans on 11/09/07, but are we still on their radar?
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Old 13th Nov 2008, 13:18
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Any official news on the ex BA hangar at MAN, there were 2 Monarch airbuses in it last night, have they taken it on ?
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MAN777 wrote....

Any official news on the ex BA hangar at MAN, there were 2 Monarch airbuses in it last night, have they taken it on ?


The (Ex) BA Hangar is owned by Manchester Airport, hangar space is rented out to anyone wanting to use it.
The 2 Monarch a/c in there at present are 757's G-MONB and G-MONE which are leaving the fleet and are in there while they undergo Return Off Lease checks and work.

Cheers, bigMAN
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Old 13th Nov 2008, 15:09
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Whoops, must practice my aircraft identification skills !!
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Old 13th Nov 2008, 15:21
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I second betablocker's question re: Air China. Surely their plans are on hold I don't expect them to come to Manchester in March?
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Old 13th Nov 2008, 17:03
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yes BA/BMI pulled MAN because they couldn't make money but that isn't a fault with MAN and its passenger base, it's a fault with BA/BMI.
Low-cost is the future in Europe,
I sure as HELL don't want to be flying on business low cost. I don't mind using them out of my own pocket but for frequent fliers who do a shed load of miles, they really need a genuine legacy offering. If the firm is sending me Ryanair I'm job hunting...... The future in Europe outside the South East IS low cost but the recent BA / BMI reductions were long haul and the legacy carriers remain serving their off shore hubs. They are the BAs and BMIs of the US etc.

If your argument held up, there would be a genuine low cost long haul replacement in the wings to take up the slack.
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Sorry for being mind numbing betablocker, we were just trying to lighten the mood!!

Sorry to use valuable server space!!! Will let you get back to the oh so serious business of discussing rumours!
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Well Skipness given the current climate I would suggest you dust off the old CV. I work for a major multinational and have been told IF I have to travel to keep costs as low as possible including using budget airlines.

We had a directive a while back telling us to use LH instead of BA for international travel because we can get better deals via Munich rather than Heathrow, not tried it (yet) but I guess there goes my BA Exec card!!!

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Old 13th Nov 2008, 17:21
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Certainly Skipness I'm not disagreeing with what you said, all I'm saying is that there is little opportunity outside of the South East for legacy carriers, I wasn't suggesting that Long Haul Locos would be an obvious success. What I was trying to get at was: why are some people at Manchester and other areas complaining about losing traditional carriers when clearly those are not what the market desire, the airport makes money out of Low cost flights doesn't it? Don't they pay the same fees?

I do firmly believe though that if it was run well a low fares long haul airline could work in the right economic climate so long as it didn't compromise too much on service. Regular business travellers are not stupid, they won't refuse to use an airline just because it has been labelled "low cost" by industry critics (as long as a good level of service is maintained by the airline in question). Just look at Jet2, there are many companies in Yorkshire with which I have had dealings that have no problem using Jet2 for business travel needs short haul.
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Old 13th Nov 2008, 17:43
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Cool

What's the latest on the Air China Beijing service, scheduled to start "March 09".
Never scheduled for March 09. Possible earliest date is Sept 09.
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Old 13th Nov 2008, 18:21
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Low cost flights doesn't it? Don't they pay the same fees?
No.......not always (!) Indeed some pay no fees at all. The market does support legacy long haul but struggles on British registered legacy short haul. Though last time I looked MAN still have Air France, Lufthansa, KLM, CSA etc etc.
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Old 13th Nov 2008, 18:48
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The market does support legacy long haul but struggles on British registered legacy short haul. Though last time I looked MAN still have Air France, Lufthansa, KLM, CSA etc etc.
The whole point though is that AF, KL, LH, CZ etc.... are all serving their main hubs from MAN.... as is BA and to a lesser extent bmi. A British registered legacy carrier operating short haul flights ex MAN would be relying mainly on point to point traffic, up against non British legacy carriers having the advantage of operating to their hubs.
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But the problem as I see it is having to transit through LHR which even at the best of times can be chellenging. As well as long haul I use the shuttles pretty often and if I can avoid LHR and go through LGW.

I like flying BA having never had a problem with them (other than being late) but flatly refuse to have the heathrow experience again. even T5 is no better.
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Old 13th Nov 2008, 19:54
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People seem to be misunderstanding what I am saying. Of course I understand that Air France, Continental etc are operating via their hubs. My point over the last few posts has been that with the fares those airlines are charging hub operations are the only way forward.

Any destination (within reason) would work if it was cheap enough hence my belief that Low cost carriers are the future for Manchester.
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Airlines like Virgin are the airlines for MAN.

Get 20 787/A350s and you are flying! Literally!
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Old 13th Nov 2008, 19:59
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Originally Posted by spannersatcx
Never scheduled for March 09. Possible earliest date is Sept 09.
The source most people are getting this from clearly states March 09 Bloomberg.com: Canada

That is about the only one I can find.
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Old 13th Nov 2008, 23:32
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"Ian Curtis International Airport"
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I like flying BA having never had a problem with them (other than being late) but flatly refuse to have the heathrow experience again. even T5 is no better.
That's very subjective. Most people I know find T5 an absolute dream compared to the other terminals at LHR. The transfer experience versus a place like CDG is also much better.

Also in terms of being late, BA have vastly improved their punctuality levels since the move to T5. Baggage performance in terms of lost bags/1000 pax is better now than AF or KL.

My point over the last few posts has been that with the fares those airlines are charging hub operations are the only way forward.
Well, is that a criticism of BA/BMI or not? Certainly in the case of BA, trying to function as a legacy carrier and a loco at the same time is not going to work - they have a very strong position at LHR and will continue to make most of their money out of premium travel. Even in this economic climate there is a clear argument that BA are better protected focused around LHR than a low cost airline operating from the regions - at least they are posting a profit, compared to the likes of FR etc who are expecting to make losses.

You are absolutely right that the future for point to point services at MAN is low cost, as it is with most of the UK regions. Hence you won't see BA taking much part in it. But that shouldn't be a criticism of BA, they just operate a different business model.
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Old 14th Nov 2008, 06:54
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Get 20 787/A350s and you are flying! Literally!
I wouldn't bet on it. By the time these aircraft are rolling into LHR they may just have three runways to play with.... Virgin Atlantic's presence outside Heathrow does look restricted to leisure routes. I guess they might try LAS or similar but they have a MASSIVE investment in gaining and retaining premium traffic. Look at the money going into facilities at Terminal 3 Heathrow. Last time I looked they were even refusing to pay for airbridges at Manchester. Don't set yourself up for a fall hoping for a based fleet serving New York / Los Angeles etc.

You know where that amount of capital expenditure is going to start paying its way and realistically it's NOT Manchester.
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Old 14th Nov 2008, 07:30
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I wouldn't bet on it. By the time these aircraft are rolling into LHR they may just have three runways to play with....

There wont be a 3rd Runway @ LHR, it will for sure be shelved.
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