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The Dallas route was in 98 & 99 as a summer-only service operated by 767s.
AA have done the ORD route for 24 years (can we have someithing nice on the 25th anniversary please!), having upped frequency to the chagrin of BA who objected to the extra frequencies granted from 1992 to 1995ish (only in the latter year were there extended double daily ops).
JFK was from 1991 to 1994 with a summer-only 1995 before it's return this year
BOS was from 2004 for 3 years as a summer route with MIA operating for 2 years (this route suffered by lack of BA codeshare who thought pax would like to be continued to been inconvenienced by routing through LHR and cruiseliner conctracts not secured).
Granting AA and BA ATI would be the best outcome as there's not a chance BA would open any route outside of London again, and would grant other UK airports the chance of JFK or ORD links. Note, anyone contemplating that BA had no feed ought to consider that BA were feeding AA in JFK. How hard they tried to push the route, as with all routes they operated that were not connected with London, is open to debate.
Slightly more interesting news is that one of the websites carrying the easyJet expansion has "further routes are in the offing" whilst MAN's Andrew Harrison is quoted in another as saying "With more than 5 aircraft here already..."
AA have done the ORD route for 24 years (can we have someithing nice on the 25th anniversary please!), having upped frequency to the chagrin of BA who objected to the extra frequencies granted from 1992 to 1995ish (only in the latter year were there extended double daily ops).
JFK was from 1991 to 1994 with a summer-only 1995 before it's return this year
BOS was from 2004 for 3 years as a summer route with MIA operating for 2 years (this route suffered by lack of BA codeshare who thought pax would like to be continued to been inconvenienced by routing through LHR and cruiseliner conctracts not secured).
Granting AA and BA ATI would be the best outcome as there's not a chance BA would open any route outside of London again, and would grant other UK airports the chance of JFK or ORD links. Note, anyone contemplating that BA had no feed ought to consider that BA were feeding AA in JFK. How hard they tried to push the route, as with all routes they operated that were not connected with London, is open to debate.
Slightly more interesting news is that one of the websites carrying the easyJet expansion has "further routes are in the offing" whilst MAN's Andrew Harrison is quoted in another as saying "With more than 5 aircraft here already..."
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I hope he's not incuding the Liverpool aircraft that does our Geneva on a W-pattern as that's the only way it can get to 6. Or 7 if we want to have the Belfast one doing an Amsterdam run.
At the moment, the "down" time for aircraft 5 from Feb is something like:
Sunday = free up to 1725
Tuesday = free all day
Wednesday = free to 1330
Thursday = free to 1645
Saturday = free after 1235
One suggests one or two more routes including a "long sector" service could be announced.
At the moment, the "down" time for aircraft 5 from Feb is something like:
Sunday = free up to 1725
Tuesday = free all day
Wednesday = free to 1330
Thursday = free to 1645
Saturday = free after 1235
One suggests one or two more routes including a "long sector" service could be announced.
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CAA Figure
1998
July 7101 - 52 rotations = 137 pax
Aug 9199 - 62 rotations = 148 pax
Sep 9995 - 60 rotations = 167 pax
Oct 8948 - 61 rotations = 147 pax
1999
May 4402 - 30 rotations = 147 pax
June 10247 -60 rotations = 171 pax
July 8404 - 62 rotations = 136 pax
Aug 8856 - 62 rotations = 143 pax
Sep 9432 - 60 rotations = 157 pax
Oct 9328 - 62 rotations = 150 pax
I assume a 763, which if so might explain its demise.
Not sure of the config but I assume around 218.
Even with July's high fares flying every day with 80
empty seats (on average) would not go down too well.
If it was a 762 then load factors were good, if it was a
MD11 then it was amazing it lasted so long!!!! I seem to
remember it was mainly 763's.
Continental often averaged over 200, which I assume was
the DC10 (daily flight in 1999).
Pete
1998
July 7101 - 52 rotations = 137 pax
Aug 9199 - 62 rotations = 148 pax
Sep 9995 - 60 rotations = 167 pax
Oct 8948 - 61 rotations = 147 pax
1999
May 4402 - 30 rotations = 147 pax
June 10247 -60 rotations = 171 pax
July 8404 - 62 rotations = 136 pax
Aug 8856 - 62 rotations = 143 pax
Sep 9432 - 60 rotations = 157 pax
Oct 9328 - 62 rotations = 150 pax
I assume a 763, which if so might explain its demise.
Not sure of the config but I assume around 218.
Even with July's high fares flying every day with 80
empty seats (on average) would not go down too well.
If it was a 762 then load factors were good, if it was a
MD11 then it was amazing it lasted so long!!!! I seem to
remember it was mainly 763's.
Continental often averaged over 200, which I assume was
the DC10 (daily flight in 1999).
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re Dallas
I dont know why people keep refering to 1998/1999 figures as an indication as to how the route would fair today.
More people travel further afield now than in 1999 for a start, and we are talking about figures from 11 years ago!! The market dynamics are completly different, especially if BA/AA/IB ATI goes through.
Also, with migration to/from those areas, more people require the transfers. Dont forget DFW is Americans largest hub, therefore offering more connecting traffic but I dont see anyone saying that AA cant make JFK/ORD work from MAN.
This time AA can market MAN-DFW-XXX whereas the advertising was quite poor last time round.
More people travel further afield now than in 1999 for a start, and we are talking about figures from 11 years ago!! The market dynamics are completly different, especially if BA/AA/IB ATI goes through.
Also, with migration to/from those areas, more people require the transfers. Dont forget DFW is Americans largest hub, therefore offering more connecting traffic but I dont see anyone saying that AA cant make JFK/ORD work from MAN.
This time AA can market MAN-DFW-XXX whereas the advertising was quite poor last time round.
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where do you get this info from solihull, are you that bored... it was 10 years ago, as b4 it stopped because of british airways, i worked at the airport when it operated and worked with loading aa flights and it was nearly full everyday, sometimes well overbooked.
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The source is stated - CAA and they are facts, most of the rotations were from
the CAA punctuality stats - again fact in most cases.
What I do not know is the aircraft config but if it was a 763 then in July 2009
it left every day on average with 80 empty seats. I can't say that is fact as I do not have the exact aircraft types or config and of course yields are unknown to the wider public.
The post was just a reality check but as wanna_be_there it means nothing now as the dynamics have changed.
Pete
The source is stated - CAA and they are facts, most of the rotations were from
the CAA punctuality stats - again fact in most cases.
What I do not know is the aircraft config but if it was a 763 then in July 2009
it left every day on average with 80 empty seats. I can't say that is fact as I do not have the exact aircraft types or config and of course yields are unknown to the wider public.
The post was just a reality check but as wanna_be_there it means nothing now as the dynamics have changed.
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The AA flight to DFW was definitely a 767 of some sort, we flew the route a few times when it was operating as it was a great way to get to HOU. The flights we did were chocka in the back.
Shame about OK. I flew them back from PRG last week and the flight was rammed. Just got Gold in OK Plus as well.....
Shame about OK. I flew them back from PRG last week and the flight was rammed. Just got Gold in OK Plus as well.....
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The Turkish B773 is finally on THY website:
In on Monday 12th, Arrives 09:30, departs 11:00 as TK3111 to ORD.
Meanwhile MCFC have to deal with a blueline MD83 to Portland!!
In on Monday 12th, Arrives 09:30, departs 11:00 as TK3111 to ORD.
Meanwhile MCFC have to deal with a blueline MD83 to Portland!!
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CSA Czech airlines are to reduce their Prague service from 6 to 2 times per week from 11th July.
Flying German wings again tomorrow, Koln smaller and better than Frankfurt.
Looking at gate 12 can't figure out where they think they can accomodate about 500 passengers before departure???
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PIA have been using MAN on the Pakistan-Toronto flights again lately, this is due to overhauls on the B77L fleet.
Also, the CSA route seems to be strange, its almost like they dont want to try at MAN these days. Shame as they used to have 2 flights a day, now just 2 a week before finishing for the winter again. Id have thought MAN-PRG-DME connection as well as PRG-MAN-ATL/JFK on DL would have helped them also. Ah well, looks like its just LS again this winter...
With LS just starting KRK from NCL again, wonder if they might consider MAN-KRK. A lo-co might work from MAN, and at least give some an alternative to LPL.
Also, the CSA route seems to be strange, its almost like they dont want to try at MAN these days. Shame as they used to have 2 flights a day, now just 2 a week before finishing for the winter again. Id have thought MAN-PRG-DME connection as well as PRG-MAN-ATL/JFK on DL would have helped them also. Ah well, looks like its just LS again this winter...
With LS just starting KRK from NCL again, wonder if they might consider MAN-KRK. A lo-co might work from MAN, and at least give some an alternative to LPL.
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Also, the CSA route seems to be strange, its almost like they dont want to try at MAN these days. Shame as they used to have 2 flights a day, now just 2 a week before finishing for the winter again. Id have thought MAN-PRG-DME connection as well as PRG-MAN-ATL/JFK on DL would have helped them also. Ah well, looks like its just LS again this winter...
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CSA is going 4 weekly using the MAN timetable before they leave and easyJet don't operate there from Liverpool. Perhaps you were thinking of the short-lived Wizzair service?
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Further to the earlier comment ref Stand 12 for the 450+ A380 daily passengers, when is the extension being built? Surley it's going to be bigger in height and width than Pier B currentley is and with it's 2 new airbridges? Can the A380 taxi by itself to Stand 12 after vacating 23R/05L on the taxiways? Also, if need be can it use 23L/05R? I know R2 is closed during the time it's due in and out.
Right a few questions:-
* How are aircraft guided towards the airbridge at stands? I have seen many aircraft when approching T1 stands stopping then having to increase throttle again to come in line with the airbridge, aren't there sensors in front of the aircraft on the terminal building telling it when to stop? I don't see this problem at other airports? I can make out something for stands 21-32, however at Pier B stands 1-10 don't seem to have anything. I think both pier's need re-building, T2 & 3 from the outside look much better and modern(ish) than T1. I wouldn't want to move their if I were an amercian carrier from T2.
* Will the re-surfacing be complete for 23R/05L before 1st Sep?
* What's happening with the extension to T3?
* And finally, when is the Cargo terminal getting extended?
I'll shut up and and await answers and comments.
Evening all.
Right a few questions:-
* How are aircraft guided towards the airbridge at stands? I have seen many aircraft when approching T1 stands stopping then having to increase throttle again to come in line with the airbridge, aren't there sensors in front of the aircraft on the terminal building telling it when to stop? I don't see this problem at other airports? I can make out something for stands 21-32, however at Pier B stands 1-10 don't seem to have anything. I think both pier's need re-building, T2 & 3 from the outside look much better and modern(ish) than T1. I wouldn't want to move their if I were an amercian carrier from T2.
* Will the re-surfacing be complete for 23R/05L before 1st Sep?
* What's happening with the extension to T3?
* And finally, when is the Cargo terminal getting extended?
I'll shut up and and await answers and comments.
Evening all.