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LEG or should we call you Saad as you seem to know so much about the company and its exact future direction.
That is NOT what the management have said is it? I strongly suggest you read or reread the latest DFO's letter. The clue is in the detail.
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News from the management team is that some of the funding (which is near approved, not a listing), will be to fund the 'older' larger aircraft, possibly 737 but more likely the ex easy 319's....
UK regional carrier Flybe sees turboprops as its “default” aircraft and the “weapon of choice” in its future growth strategy, says chief executive Saad Hammad.
Aircraft such as the Bombardier Q400 and the ATR72-500s used by its Flybe Nordic subsidiary will provide the backbone for the improvement in the performance of its inter-regional UK domestic routes and for white-label opportunities to lease them to flag carriers for operation on long, thin routes, says Hammad.
This has come about because of “a structural shift in the European aviation landscape with flag carriers withdrawing from these [long, thin] routes where low-cost carriers cannot fill the void" because the equipment they use will not allow them to operate on these markets profitably, he adds.
“We want to be on the industry curve, not above it as was historically the case, and thanks to the restructuring programme we are now heading down that curve, but we are never going to be below Ryanair and easyJet,” he says.
But Hammad does not completely rule out a future for its existing Embraer 175 and 195 jets; stating that European carriers have shown an interest in leasing them which proved there was an “optionality of deployment” of the type.
Aircraft such as the Bombardier Q400 and the ATR72-500s used by its Flybe Nordic subsidiary will provide the backbone for the improvement in the performance of its inter-regional UK domestic routes and for white-label opportunities to lease them to flag carriers for operation on long, thin routes, says Hammad.
This has come about because of “a structural shift in the European aviation landscape with flag carriers withdrawing from these [long, thin] routes where low-cost carriers cannot fill the void" because the equipment they use will not allow them to operate on these markets profitably, he adds.
“We want to be on the industry curve, not above it as was historically the case, and thanks to the restructuring programme we are now heading down that curve, but we are never going to be below Ryanair and easyJet,” he says.
But Hammad does not completely rule out a future for its existing Embraer 175 and 195 jets; stating that European carriers have shown an interest in leasing them which proved there was an “optionality of deployment” of the type.
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New bases? Yes it does sounds nuts, but that's what the docs state 
As for looking at ATR's that's been known about for ages.
Larger jets will come, not this year maybe, but they are in the game plan.
Set 1013, son, read ALL the info you can find...
Here's a wee pointer, it's not always what folk say, it's the way
they say it and what they don't say that tells the truth...
Then again maybe not, not everyone is cut out for this...
As for looking at ATR's that's been known about for ages.
Larger jets will come, not this year maybe, but they are in the game plan.
Set 1013, son, read ALL the info you can find...
Here's a wee pointer, it's not always what folk say, it's the way
they say it and what they don't say that tells the truth...
Then again maybe not, not everyone is cut out for this...
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DH8D v AT76 v 175 v 195 v 319
The prop decision will be the interesting one and just some observations from the BHX schedules the last couple of days.
At least one DH8D "went missing" in Amsterdam yesterday afternoon (just positioned back) with one having already been replaced by a 195 on the afternoon Belfast, this was also compounded by problems with the 175 where BHX ended up with four (one was Jersey - Gatwick for some reason) but only two actually flying resulted in the much-maligned (cost-wise) 195 coming to the rescue once again.
The BHX base only has one 195 scheduled to operate in the week but actually three were flying yesterday, two of which on Q400's flight and the missing 175 flight (Glasgow) had to be cancelled. This morning it appears the first Belfast flight was cancelled, the second delayed at least three hours and this mornings Amsterdam is yet to depart.
The solution - ATR's? Well the AT76 seems to be a bit better than the ATR42 and ATR72 -500 but it might worthwhile flybe looking at Arann's OTP at times at BHX. To be fair most have suffered due to strong winds this winter but if this is going to be a feature of future winters it is something that needs to be considered.
Last Friday during the 21 inbound diverts the ORK-BHX diverted out of BHX to MAN! The last day or so has only seem one Arann cancellation, last night's Dublin but whether this was tech or operational I don't know and I would say it is the latter for today's four hour delay on the inbound Arann Dublin as this happened last Saturday....not just flybe with delays.
I doubt few aircraft offer the reliability of the 195 but if you can't fill them and the lease costs are too high I suppose you are going to have to always settle for second best but just maybe the 319 is their best bet for those longer routes if they intend to continue with them.
As for the prop debate the Q400 seems best when it is serviceable but patience must be wearing thin.
Pete
At least one DH8D "went missing" in Amsterdam yesterday afternoon (just positioned back) with one having already been replaced by a 195 on the afternoon Belfast, this was also compounded by problems with the 175 where BHX ended up with four (one was Jersey - Gatwick for some reason) but only two actually flying resulted in the much-maligned (cost-wise) 195 coming to the rescue once again.
The BHX base only has one 195 scheduled to operate in the week but actually three were flying yesterday, two of which on Q400's flight and the missing 175 flight (Glasgow) had to be cancelled. This morning it appears the first Belfast flight was cancelled, the second delayed at least three hours and this mornings Amsterdam is yet to depart.
The solution - ATR's? Well the AT76 seems to be a bit better than the ATR42 and ATR72 -500 but it might worthwhile flybe looking at Arann's OTP at times at BHX. To be fair most have suffered due to strong winds this winter but if this is going to be a feature of future winters it is something that needs to be considered.
Last Friday during the 21 inbound diverts the ORK-BHX diverted out of BHX to MAN! The last day or so has only seem one Arann cancellation, last night's Dublin but whether this was tech or operational I don't know and I would say it is the latter for today's four hour delay on the inbound Arann Dublin as this happened last Saturday....not just flybe with delays.
I doubt few aircraft offer the reliability of the 195 but if you can't fill them and the lease costs are too high I suppose you are going to have to always settle for second best but just maybe the 319 is their best bet for those longer routes if they intend to continue with them.
As for the prop debate the Q400 seems best when it is serviceable but patience must be wearing thin.
Pete
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As for the prop debate the Q400 seems best when it is serviceable but patience must be wearing thin.
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Leg: sincerely hope you’re right in your conjecture about Airbii.
However it has occurred to some of us (of a more cynical disposition) at my base to wonder if the management, having ‘shaken the tree’ as they put it, have begun to realize they might have ‘shaken the tree’ a bit too hard, and too many of the baboons have dropped out and ambled off into the alternative employment jungle, such that its likely there’s going to be a bit of a problem crewing the new ambitious summer schedule.
Now if that were the case, might our management seek to cling on to those of us left, who are considering alternative opportunities, by seeding a vague rumor about the possibility of Airbuses? – Certainly someone down in Exeter seems to be having a laugh by putting an Airbus picture on the AIMs check in screens, but cant help thinking the clouds in the background just might be those in ‘cloud cuckoo land’.
However it has occurred to some of us (of a more cynical disposition) at my base to wonder if the management, having ‘shaken the tree’ as they put it, have begun to realize they might have ‘shaken the tree’ a bit too hard, and too many of the baboons have dropped out and ambled off into the alternative employment jungle, such that its likely there’s going to be a bit of a problem crewing the new ambitious summer schedule.
Now if that were the case, might our management seek to cling on to those of us left, who are considering alternative opportunities, by seeding a vague rumor about the possibility of Airbuses? – Certainly someone down in Exeter seems to be having a laugh by putting an Airbus picture on the AIMs check in screens, but cant help thinking the clouds in the background just might be those in ‘cloud cuckoo land’.
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Anodyne, your post did make me laugh. Typical exaggeration....AIMS will show an airbus when the system defaults to factory settings which was exactly what happened. I Am led to believe it was soon changed back to Flybes personalised image background
Now let's get back to reality - £155 million approved through selling shares. Time to start spending some of it as per the investor pages online. The next 12 months could be interesting
Now let's get back to reality - £155 million approved through selling shares. Time to start spending some of it as per the investor pages online. The next 12 months could be interesting
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Arann have been having a rotten time with the ATRs in the winds this winter, but the ATR72 actually has a higher cross-wind limit than the Q400 ( 35 vs 32 knots ).
Not a huge difference but handy to have in the back pocket.
Not a huge difference but handy to have in the back pocket.
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Article here: Embraer details E-Jet efficiency improvements - 9/13/2013 - Flight Global
Right click the image and open in a separate tab, the original was massive so I have resized it.
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Indeed, they seem to be a halfway house between 'traditional' winglets and raked wingtips, which is what will feature on the next gen Embraers. There is discussion of this on a.net, and mentions of up to 6.4% fuel savings compared with the existing winglets, which is a very significant difference for one smallish aerodynamic change.
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The first new E175 with the new winglets was rolled out the other day. Embraer posted this on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFEM...ature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFEM...ature=youtu.be
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Video is interesting
Am I missing something here but how is that anything like the wing of a Dreamliner as per their quote online.
It's just like someone has sat on the current wingtips and flattened them a bit ultimately increasing the width of the aircraft. Could this have any impact on parking at SOU if future 175s go in and out regularly?
Am I missing something here but how is that anything like the wing of a Dreamliner as per their quote online.
It's just like someone has sat on the current wingtips and flattened them a bit ultimately increasing the width of the aircraft. Could this have any impact on parking at SOU if future 175s go in and out regularly?
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Apparently the wingspan increases to 28.7 metres, which is about the same as the E190/5. SOU's stands are all ~29m wide so parking for them should not be a problem. A mix of the rumoured starter strip/150m runway extension and these new winglets could be very beneficial for SOU...
