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Why are the mods not being done at the factory ??
Examples would be Boeing 767 winglets - you take delivery of a brand new $200m+ aircraft at Seattle then do one flight to where-ever it is they take a disc cutter to the wing for 16-20 days. Or the crew rest area on the 777 fleet, one flight from Seattle and into the hangar for several weeks to fit that customers specific choice.
An analogy would be wanting a particular car stereo that Ford don't offer. Once you own the car you can go and rip the dash apart as you please but Ford are hardly going to let you do it in the factory.
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Thanks for your comments
A/C unlike Cars cant be modified with the approval of the manufacturer and the CAA
EMB will not permit mods to there a/C without there approval which has to be also aapproved by the CAA
You cant add?put bits on a/c without approval
Regards
A/C unlike Cars cant be modified with the approval of the manufacturer and the CAA
EMB will not permit mods to there a/C without there approval which has to be also aapproved by the CAA
You cant add?put bits on a/c without approval
Regards
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Without total thread drift (too late!)... the original delay was attributed to finance. The latest delay, according to posts here, is the aircraft needing mods before operating for Flybe. I neither know nor care if either or both of these is true.
However, posters expressed surprise that these mods could not have been incorporated at the factory while waiting for the finance to be sorted. I was pointing out that certain customers (and certain CAAs) require non standard changes to brand new aircraft before they enter revenue service. I provided 2 examples, winglets and crew rest. Neither are Flybe but both are G reg aircraft, customer options that the manufacturer would not incorporate on the build line. The manufacturers often do not want to include these in production because it stuffs up the build cycle and adds complexity.
If your finance is delayed the aircraft sits “complete” until you pay. Now you can collect the aircraft, but on your critical path to service entry may still be weeks of “mods” that you haven’t been able to commence work on.
Perhaps my car radio analogy wasn’t the best one. But the point remains, if you want to change things you can’t start doing so until you own it!
However, posters expressed surprise that these mods could not have been incorporated at the factory while waiting for the finance to be sorted. I was pointing out that certain customers (and certain CAAs) require non standard changes to brand new aircraft before they enter revenue service. I provided 2 examples, winglets and crew rest. Neither are Flybe but both are G reg aircraft, customer options that the manufacturer would not incorporate on the build line. The manufacturers often do not want to include these in production because it stuffs up the build cycle and adds complexity.
If your finance is delayed the aircraft sits “complete” until you pay. Now you can collect the aircraft, but on your critical path to service entry may still be weeks of “mods” that you haven’t been able to commence work on.
Perhaps my car radio analogy wasn’t the best one. But the point remains, if you want to change things you can’t start doing so until you own it!
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Are these mods any different from those on the 195 fleet? Surely it can't be anything that different to the existing fleet.
Sounds like a bit of a Catch 22 situation!
Sounds like a bit of a Catch 22 situation!
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Modifications
Modifications after taking delivery are quite common - for example, the BA777-300s are delivered from Boeing to BA at Cardiff for modifications before entry to service. It usually only takes a few days however.
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What happened to the Stelios-FlyBE thread?
Can someone please tell me what happened to that very interesting thread about Stelios buying FlyBE? It appears to have disappeared!
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Flybe BHX Summer 2012
Hi Flybe guys!!
Does anyone in the know have any idea if Flybe will operate flights to France ex BHX as they have this Summer? Im hoping to go BHX-BOD and the don't seem to have released BHX French routes except Avignon.
Daza
Does anyone in the know have any idea if Flybe will operate flights to France ex BHX as they have this Summer? Im hoping to go BHX-BOD and the don't seem to have released BHX French routes except Avignon.
Daza
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JER-LGW down to only 4 daily as well. Is it always that low through the winter? Seems a bit of a drop considering its been up to 7 daily in the past (although I'm not sure about this summer).
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JER-LGW down to only 4 daily as well. Is it always that low through the winter?
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The Jersey E95 is often used for Winter charters ex- LGW during the weekend, not so sure about during the week - so this could account for some of the loss of services.
Bookings are low this winter, so I guess frequencies will naturally drop anyway on certain routes.
Bookings are low this winter, so I guess frequencies will naturally drop anyway on certain routes.
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Cloud1 "BRS-JER is always reduced for winter, and the BRS-IOM is summer only." is not right. BRS IOM is currently on sale for this winter... tho not for much longer I hear. Lots of changes to come.
BE and Logie will not just sit back and watch while Scotlands New Airline is created out of BMIR
Their plans gotta be to free up more aircraft to attack BMIR routes PDQ - as well as finding frames for SA. The last thing BE want is some new invigorated competition for the UK regional market. Mr Lake in Humberside not keen on the idea either
so watch for the BE reorganisation news with a few planes heading North of the border. I think they call it parking tanks on BMIs lawn ready for a scrap.
BE and Logie will not just sit back and watch while Scotlands New Airline is created out of BMIR
Their plans gotta be to free up more aircraft to attack BMIR routes PDQ - as well as finding frames for SA. The last thing BE want is some new invigorated competition for the UK regional market. Mr Lake in Humberside not keen on the idea either so watch for the BE reorganisation news with a few planes heading North of the border. I think they call it parking tanks on BMIs lawn ready for a scrap.