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175 delay again?
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Thank you for the information.
One GDS is showing that the GLA-BHX service with the 175 has
moved back again from 18/7/2011 to 1/8/2011?
Is this correct and do we know if the aircraft will be doing "a tour"
of the UK (training etc) or straight into service?
I posted some Domestic CAA stats on the BHX thread for the first
three months of the year and although there is no indication of yields
some of the figures ex Manchester look grim especially the routes where
BMIR also operate.
I assume the plan is to wait for BMIR to give in like Glasgow although
the figures on that route are hardly promising but I suppose in line
with the general downturn in domestic air travel.
Pete
Thank you for the information.
One GDS is showing that the GLA-BHX service with the 175 has
moved back again from 18/7/2011 to 1/8/2011?
Is this correct and do we know if the aircraft will be doing "a tour"
of the UK (training etc) or straight into service?
I posted some Domestic CAA stats on the BHX thread for the first
three months of the year and although there is no indication of yields
some of the figures ex Manchester look grim especially the routes where
BMIR also operate.
I assume the plan is to wait for BMIR to give in like Glasgow although
the figures on that route are hardly promising but I suppose in line
with the general downturn in domestic air travel.
Pete
Interested to note that Flybe can spare a 195 to take part in RIAT (Royal International Air Tattoo, at Fairford, for the uninitiated) for what appears to be the whole of this weekend.....looks like it's in the flying display aswell.
We will have to see, this RIAT Civilians says it's going to be there, and flying.
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It makes every sense to get rid of the younger aircraft as they are different in many ways in the cabin and it removes the fleet a whole year sooner if Flybe decide to replace the Dashes en masse.
What would also make sense is re-leasing some of the very old G-JED#s to fill the spaces in handbacks made by selling the owned hulls and also to fill in later gaps in deliveries that occurred as they got them in batches.
Handing back the next in line as the E175s arrive could well see the fleet handback process condensed from the 10 years spread in deliveries to less than 5 years. if it works it might well play into the compnay's hands as manfacturers work to provide a suitable replacement for the short sector workhorses.
Bring on the lightweight E170s with geared turbofans! Please....
What would also make sense is re-leasing some of the very old G-JED#s to fill the spaces in handbacks made by selling the owned hulls and also to fill in later gaps in deliveries that occurred as they got them in batches.
Handing back the next in line as the E175s arrive could well see the fleet handback process condensed from the 10 years spread in deliveries to less than 5 years. if it works it might well play into the compnay's hands as manfacturers work to provide a suitable replacement for the short sector workhorses.
Bring on the lightweight E170s with geared turbofans! Please....
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There's rumours from one of Carnmanorlads contacts that BE are to extend MAN - LDY year round, and also the introduction of EDI. Anyone known if there is substance to these claims?
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Q400 update
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G-FLBJ which was delivered to BHX last week and rumoured to be going to South Africa has entered service today, already operating BHX-EDI-BHX-EGC and I believe it does EGC-EXT next.
G-FLBH has not entered service and just does tours of the airfield at BHX, currently it is reported to be on the 70's.
G-JECU last flight was 17/7, I think it went BHX-EXT and per one site is on a check - is this a pre-sale check, as again this in another one rumoured to be going? G-INFO states "export of C of A" received 11/07/2011 and expected processing date 29/07/2011, which I presume answers my question?
G-JECU SOU based and operating.
G-FLBG is also BHX based and operating La Rochelle at present.
G-FLBF has also been through BHX today.
What is the actual date that the last of the six is expected to go and
is this dependant on 175 deliveries?
As I mentioned on Newquay thread the first week in November requires about
59-61 aircraft operating depending on the time and day with 69 aircraft in
the fleet subject to six Q400 sales and four 175 deliveries.
BTW, cracking BHX schedule day (I know it should be considering the date)
but that has not always been the case in the past, with even the spare
195 working as well.
Pete
G-FLBJ which was delivered to BHX last week and rumoured to be going to South Africa has entered service today, already operating BHX-EDI-BHX-EGC and I believe it does EGC-EXT next.
G-FLBH has not entered service and just does tours of the airfield at BHX, currently it is reported to be on the 70's.
G-JECU last flight was 17/7, I think it went BHX-EXT and per one site is on a check - is this a pre-sale check, as again this in another one rumoured to be going? G-INFO states "export of C of A" received 11/07/2011 and expected processing date 29/07/2011, which I presume answers my question?
G-JECU SOU based and operating.
G-FLBG is also BHX based and operating La Rochelle at present.
G-FLBF has also been through BHX today.
What is the actual date that the last of the six is expected to go and
is this dependant on 175 deliveries?
As I mentioned on Newquay thread the first week in November requires about
59-61 aircraft operating depending on the time and day with 69 aircraft in
the fleet subject to six Q400 sales and four 175 deliveries.
BTW, cracking BHX schedule day (I know it should be considering the date)
but that has not always been the case in the past, with even the spare
195 working as well.
Pete
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These aircraft are being used because there were alot of tech aircraft around the network yesterday, 4 in EDI alone. They are also being used periodically to cover because Flybe expected the 175s to be delivered by now thus substituting these Q400s. The 175's are delayed by about a month. The first one is being delivered next week I believe to enter service the first week in August.
The South African Express deliveries were put back due to a problem with the South African Government & funding. This has apparently been resolved so the Q400s will be leaving soon. I am not privy to any dates though, sorry.
These aircraft are being used because there were alot of tech aircraft around the network yesterday, 4 in EDI alone. They are also being used periodically to cover because Flybe expected the 175s to be delivered by now thus substituting these Q400s. The 175's are delayed by about a month. The first one is being delivered next week I believe to enter service the first week in August.
The South African Express deliveries were put back due to a problem with the South African Government & funding. This has apparently been resolved so the Q400s will be leaving soon. I am not privy to any dates though, sorry.
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With BA struggling to make short haul pay at LGW does anyone else see a lot of the routes going to the FlyBe brand as they move concentration to LCY and LHR?
Makes sense to abandon the archaic 737 fleet at LGW and let BE pick up the work
Makes sense to abandon the archaic 737 fleet at LGW and let BE pick up the work
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Sorry I don't mean to go off topic but why do some people always assume BA short haul at Gatwick is struggling? This summer flights are operating at high load factors and judging by some of the late fares yields are good. The 737 fleet is fully depreciated and crew costs are low. Three A319s are also operating. Plenty of people will and do pay a bit more for BA over the locos at LGW. For example I tried to get a late booking to Paphos and the fare was very high with only 2 seats left.
Also the LGW pricing policy does not favour 78/88/118 seaters. This will discourage Flybe from expansion there unless yields on certain routes are high. Dusseldorf and Leeds/Bradford already lost this year. Maybe though with the Finncomm aquisition Helsinki could be a future destination. Also a couple of daily flights to Paris and Brussels, currently not served from LGW could work. Yes I know about Eurostar but not everyone wants to use it.
Just a few thoughts anyway.
V.
Also the LGW pricing policy does not favour 78/88/118 seaters. This will discourage Flybe from expansion there unless yields on certain routes are high. Dusseldorf and Leeds/Bradford already lost this year. Maybe though with the Finncomm aquisition Helsinki could be a future destination. Also a couple of daily flights to Paris and Brussels, currently not served from LGW could work. Yes I know about Eurostar but not everyone wants to use it.
Just a few thoughts anyway.
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Just on the topic of the newly delivered Dash 8s, G-FLBG / H / J all in service this weekend at BHX, I was rather surprised at the last one pitched up from Beregerac as I thought delivery had been cancelled!
It has been admitted internally many times that the LGW short haul operation loses money. Assuming BA are finally breaking even or even making money at LGW on short haul, why would they want to hand it over to flybe after all this time to get there? If they see a niche for the ERJ170 and ERJ190 then keep it in house and allow BA CityFlyer into the game.
why do some people always assume BA short haul at Gatwick is struggling?
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Currently CityFlyer don't have the slack in their network, to the extent that they have struggled to fulfil summer charter commitments. They would need a large E-Jet order to run a Gatwick short-haul operation to the same extent as BA mainline, so I don't see this happening any time soon.
The 734s can fly until 2016 so I wouldn't expect anything until then.
The 734s can fly until 2016 so I wouldn't expect anything until then.