Thomson Airways

[fanrailuk]

Summer 2010

Good news for TUI Travel as a whole, and in-turn Thomson Airways...

Tui Travel summer sales rise 10% - Travel Trade Gazette

PP

[Banzai Eagle]

Stupid question time. Why do flights to GOA depart at 00 stupid hours. For example EMA-GOA tonight is at 0135 ex EMA

[mathers_wales_uk]

Tom @ CWL

Rumours have been going around at CWL that there maybe some longhaul flights in S10. (more cruise flights split load with LGW)

I have tried fishing around but can't find anything to back this up.

Could somone confirm or deny and if it is correct how many flights are we looking at?

[206cc_jim]

Any long haul cruise flights will be in the winter season with the odd few finishing and ending in April and October (summer season) usually the Princess cruises, rather than P&O or Ocean Village.

Whilst plans change I have seen preliminary S11 brochures and there isn't any great changes in the long haul plans for then either that include CWL.

CWL long haul was always full when I operated it, so it is surprising it doesn't return although we don't know what yields they were getting on those flights and people(majority) will travel if they really want to fly long haul I had a family from near Cardiff on my Gatwick-Cancun the other week when they had the option of BHX, so it does proove that yes there is a market in CWL for long haul but the people will travel.

[Welsh Bobby]

TOM long haul BRS/CWL

Can someone in the know at TOM pour light on the logic around this recurring debate on CWL and BRS threads as well as here?

TOM previously had successful long haul to SFB and CUN direct from CWL.This was pulled incidentally after the TOM/FCA merger.

Post merger -SFB and CUN are now operated from BRS where direct operations are restricted and invaraibly involve a fuel stop at MAN outbound.

If the fuel stop at MAN is unpredictable and depends on a good run off the short strip at BRS (non technical- apologies!) then the case for profitable cargo pick up at MAN cannot be a factor as previously hinted on previous posts.

Surely a guaranteed direct flight from nearby CWL with the same catchment area is the more sensible option with reduced costs of unnecessary stops? The recent very succesful Winter ad hoc 'cruise long haul flights' from CWL show that the S.W population will cross the bridge.

So why not operate your SFB/CUN direct from CWL instead of BRS?

[oldbalboy]

the load factors ex cwl were not as good as those from BRS involving a lot of discounting to sell the seats therefore making them un economic for the airline and tour operators, also they are building on a bigger catchment area around BRS , the first 787's are due in 2012 with plans to operate non stop from BRS to sfb and cun by 2013.

[Alan Tracey]

Do you know of any changes in their UK handling agents for S10? I hear that all the UK agreements were out to tender for April 1st start...

Thanks

[Welsh Bobby]

Thanks oldbalboy.....no chance of any long haul retuning to CWL under TOM then!

[OliWW]

I see Thomson have acquired two B752, ex Air Berlin, both built in 2000... Where will these be based for the summer, as I believe they had enough aircraft for the whole summer with one spare?

[aidoair]

I am guessing these aircraft are going to be used to replace the 2 x A320 aircraft that were to come from Skyservice on the Canadian register... I'm going to also guess that where these A320 aircraft were going to be based (I believe one in BFS), they will swap them with a UK registered A320 and operate the 757 at the airports they are taking them from (most likely MAN & LGW). These however may not be directly operate an ex A320 route and a B73H will probably be put on it. That may all sound a little complicated, but as the larger airports have a more mixed crew base team it will be easier to get Boeing type rated Flight deck crew.

[OliWW]

I think there is a A320 at LGW and MAN, so they will just replace them with B73H, and then replace the B73H which is replacing the A320 with a B752, and move the two A320 to BFS and DUB

[EPRman]

I believe they are to replace 2 older 757's returning to the lessor later this year. They will sit on the apron until then.

[Airbus321-200]

What A/C is going to be based at DUB now that SSV have gone down?

[easyJet A321]

If the two new 757's are to replace older, this obviously will not be able to continue in the longer term so what are Thomsons's plans in the future as a replacement for the 757? Say in like 10 years or so? I personally think it would make sense to keep the ex FCA A321's and source additional A321's/ place an order. But would there be any current routes Thomson operate the 757's which the A321 would not be able to reach?

[david1994]

Does anyone know what A/C is going to be based in BFS this summer now the SSV have gone, as we always got a A320 from SSV, will it be a B738, B757 this summer?

[aidoair]

If the two new 757's are to replace older, this obviously will not be able to continue in the longer term so what are Thomsons's plans in the future as a replacement for the 757? Say in like 10 years or so? I personally think it would make sense to keep the ex FCA A321's and source additional A321's/ place an order. But would there be any current routes Thomson operate the 757's which the A321 would not be able to reach?

The actual long term fleet plans as previously staed by TUI themselves is to have a shorthaul fleet based on the 737NG family and longhaul to be based on the 787. They seem to be going for a streamlined Boeing fleet and with only 2 A321 aircraft left I feel getting more would be very pointless. The A320/1 fleet is planned to have left by the start of the summer 2011 season.

[OliWW]

What will be replacing the A320/1 as no new aircraft have been ordered?

[easyJet A321]

Oh so in a few years will there be an order placed for the B739?

[aidoair]

What will be replacing the A320/1 as no new aircraft have been ordered?

The B73NG as I stated earlier. These aircraft may not necessarily be replaced unit for unit, though I can assure you more B737NG aircraft will be on their way. If rumour in house is anything to go by, we have a new 73H on order direct from Boeing shortly and up to 7 B73H to come already from in-house (TUI AG). This will most likely be from the TUIfly Germany fleet, where it has some aircraft on order and is currently sharing/moving aircraft with the new air berlin tie up.

[loopylee]

Thomson has 6 aircraft impounded in canada atm due to skyservice going under.. they are trying to get them back asap but not sure which reg they have over there.