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Old 21st Dec 2015, 14:50
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Originally Posted by slatgrille
Misty morning - Shuttle 20A after a long time in the hold at FL80 with RVR around 300m for Rwy14, diverts back to LHR. Within 10 minutes or so of it heading south, the RVR lifts to around 1,000m. There must be a reason for LHR being used as a distant alternate, when there are BA Shuttle ops into MCR. Must be very frustrating for those passengers trying to get to Leeds...
Why is this clear 'DIVERSION' - Not on the CAA diversion stats? Creative accounting? I wonder how many more have been missed off? Perhaps taking off from LHR flying up to LBA and holding for an hour before going back to LHR with the same passengers is classed as a cancelled flight!?

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Old 22nd Dec 2015, 08:06
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Slatgrille, it's all about the bigger picture

BA departs LHR bound for LBA as scheduled. LBA RVRs are below limits so they hold.

The rotation is already behind schedule and if the aircraft was to get down it would perhaps suffer further delays on departure due to LVPs. Additionally, it may pick up a slot for a number of reasons, LHR is very busy after all.
The aircraft will have further rotations to complete that day plus there are two further LBA-LHR rotations that day. All with slots out out of/ in to LHR.

Therefore in my mind, the sensible option from BA ops point of view is to return the aircraft to LHR and maintain the OTP for the rest of that aircraft's schedule. After all, the A320fam fleet at BA doesn't seem to yield much in the way of flexibility.

It's not good for pax but the reality is they will be transferred onto other flights or accept other means of travel (mostly without a grumble).
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Old 17th Feb 2016, 14:01
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Help!

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Old 17th Feb 2016, 14:51
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Is there anything new to report ?


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Old 18th Feb 2016, 07:46
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Red face

Everyone is eagerly awaiting the publication of the Masterplan from Bidgepoint! Maybe this is the reason for the lull.

It is due anytime soon I believe but whether it will say anything, when it is eventually published, is anyone's guess. We live in hope if not expectation.
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Old 22nd Feb 2016, 17:51
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expectations

I have been living with great expectations for 50 years! i still get frustrated and fed up with with the lack of investment and development of Leeds/Bradford Airport...
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Old 22nd Feb 2016, 22:19
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We might hear something about the long awaited LeedsBradford Airport Masterplan within the next few days as I understand there has been a extraordinary meeting of the "Airports Consultative Committee" called for tomorrow, February 23rd.
The purpose of which is to go through the Masterplan and Surface Access Strategy before its released for public consultation.
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Old 3rd Mar 2016, 13:29
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No news!!

still no news from the master plan!! any news at all in regards to LBA would be welcome
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Old 3rd Mar 2016, 13:35
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Development Plan!

http://www.leedsbradfordairport.co.u...-and-dates.pdf
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Old 3rd Mar 2016, 14:38
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Just had a quick look at the 2011 masterplan. Side splittingly funny! "Aren't we doing well for our region!?" GVA etc etc - Er not compared to every other region. Not a single set date for any infrastructure development. Even the last masterplan had dates - although to be fair they didn't mean anything.

LBIA - Leeds Bradford Indicative Airport

In 2009 we were told 5 million passengers by 2012/13 and now we are told we will build when it gets busy. Very proactive.

It all fits with what the local politicians said two years ago and will certainly placate the local spotters for 3 more years. It's all part of the masterplan. You can fool some of the people all of the time and you can fool all of the people some of the time but LBA will always have a 6400 ft crosswind runway on a tight 675ft AMSL hill top!

"A new airport might not be needed for decades." [18 years to go]
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Old 3rd Mar 2016, 15:13
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LBA Wish List

Leeds Bradford Airport wish-list includes new train line and station - Yorkshire Evening Post
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Old 3rd Mar 2016, 16:18
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Quote from the Masterplan

"However, LBA currently captures only 32% of the short haul demand and 4% of the long haul demand generated by Yorkshire and the Humber region. This illustrates the potential for growth that could be achieved by meeting the travel needs that arise in this region alone."

Or to put it another way - why have we been failing for 40 years?

No what this illustrates perfectly is that there are fundamental issue(s) that are stopping LBA from realising the potential [to satisfy air travel demand] that exists within Yorkshire and Humberside over many years. That issue is (location allied to accessibility [all modes]) and (airfield characteristics allied to elevation and associated weather). The only way to realise this potential is to relocate.
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Old 3rd Mar 2016, 16:33
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That didn't take long, did it?
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Old 3rd Mar 2016, 20:42
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Do you spend multiple £Millions on extending a very problematic short restricted runway that points completely in the wrong direction at 700ft AMSL in frequent poor weather? - No, of course not. You might if the airport was in the perfect geographic location to control its catchment (such as Birmingham). LBIA does not control its catchment because of the M62/M1 and Trans Pennine Express fast railway that dissect even the Leeds City Region and go directly to competition airports. The gigantic Yorkshire and Humberside catchment is divided up and so LBA's affected population catchment is actually not that big. Therefore there would not be sufficient demand for the majority of longhaul flights that would require an extended runway that most certainly would be viable from a better located and accessible airport within Yorkshire and Humberside. It's called a Double Wammy. Yes 787s and A350s could marginally operate out of LBA but no airline will go anywhere near that risk - because of the Double Wammy; Terrible catchment reducing location/accessibility and extremely restricted runway/airfield operation. So of course the owners say we can manage as we are - But Where are those flights? You can work on an airport if maybe 1 thing is lacking like Birmingham did with their runway (and now look) but you cannot work on correcting an airport if virtually everything is so far from ideal. Simple economics. The same is true for an awful lot of other flights from LBA - not just longhaul. You don't need many diversions, holding, cancellations, missed approaches, delays to turn profit into loss as an airline. When the deals are all done and dusted you need an airport that is perfectly located and accessible to control the catchment and equally as important can handle all aircraft types efficiently and economically to destinations that are viable from that catchment.
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Old 4th Mar 2016, 15:05
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Masterplan

Oh boy here we go again. Leeds Approach with the move to Leeds East. Interesting how LBA has lost 1000ft of runway since I last looked and has somehow gained in height above sea level. Never mind as we have loads of spare cash we can develop Church Fenton and shut LBA as there's no point in having a non ideal airport with a short runway (CF is shorter) right between two large conurbations.Luton springs to mind...
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Yet most airlines consistently choose LBA over other airports in the region, so the poor weather record some seem intent on holding onto is null and void.

The runway doesn't need extending as there isn't the demand to do so, simply because MAN swallows up most of the North. The 'massive' Yorkshire and Humber catchment area isn't actually that massive, it generates less than 10 million air passengers per year. Those are already catered for at neighbouring airports, and the leakage to bigger airports will never be plugged, even with a modern, well equipped purpose built facility. Politically that would never happen anyway, wity the Leeds City Region being well within a 40 mile radius of DSA.

What Bridgepoint have released is a realistic appraisal of where the airport is heading. Should demand require further expansion then it will happen. There is no conspiracy, just realistic expectations for growth over the coming few years.
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Me thinks that 6400ft refers to the 'useable' distances rather than the length of the concrete!

Declared distances for take-off, landing, emergency etc often bear little resemblance to the physical dimensions of a runway. Granted the runway 14 Take off distance [as opposed to the Take-off run] far exceeds 6400ft, but its about right for the remainder of the LBA declared distances.

Perhaps the 700ft airfield elevation is a euphemism for a long way up [especially when the cloud base is down at Pool]!

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Old 5th Mar 2016, 19:23
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what goes around come around!!

Leeds Bradford Airport wants road and rail links : Leeds Bradford Airport News Stories
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Old 6th Mar 2016, 09:09
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How Manchester will look in 10 years time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hAhNSVzRZE
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Old 6th Mar 2016, 14:26
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Well we need to wait and see what the consultation brings but LBA saying they want road and rail links is a bit like Leeds and Bradford City Councils saying they want a new taxiway at the southern end and a new terminal building. It's easy to call for things you don't have to pay for.
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