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Old 29th Jun 2012, 21:49
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@BKSAirTransport: Your last point is rather blinkered in terms of overall market capacity.

Yorks/Humb have a drive time to Manchester in the region of 60-90 minutes. EK offer in the region of 1000 seats a day to the Middle/Far East and Australasia for rock-bottom fares - throw in Etihad and Qatar and you begin to hit 1500. IN addition, the US carriers offer up to 1000 seats a day westbound. It would be pointless for BA to compete with these carriers through LHR. The North East and Scotland have a lack of capacity to the Middle East/USA and therefore BA can attract transfer passengers through LHR on this basis. Hence the frequency you describe and and hence the lack of regional LHR service to the Yorks/Humb area.

In time, I have no doubt that BA will reduce MAN to 4 x flights a day following the same market trends.

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Old 30th Jun 2012, 00:13
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What a load of cr ap. Drive time TO leeds is 60 90 minutes. We are not in jersey now. Leeds is massively behind where it should be - even BA know it. Leeds has always lagged behind MAN - yeah due to where it is located but also due to politics. So many people have got rich. They say russia is corrupt.
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Old 30th Jun 2012, 00:14
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Anyone who understands airline economics will know that longhaul far exceeds shorthaul on a return-on-investment basis for a carrier like BA
Long haul doesn't really work without short haul feed though? Through the Executive Club, BA must know that they have a core of flyers out of MAN based across the Penines that aren't doing all of their long haul on BA. Trying to steal some of those back from KLM and making sure the new B787s and A380s don't leave LHR half empty is a good balancing act.

It would be pointless for BA to compete with these carriers through LHR.
No, that would be the whole point. One does not surrender the market if one doesn't need to. You can drive to MAN, fly to the US then connect on to your final destination, or you can fly straight from LBA and change at T5 to your final destination.

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Old 30th Jun 2012, 00:56
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leeds bradford should be doing minimum 6 million pax now if had been run properly - anyone in aviation disagree?
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Old 30th Jun 2012, 09:02
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Leeds Approach..Agreed, but at least the new owners are trying to improve the situation. Give them time they may surprise us all, it's a shame the councils that profited from the sale of the airport dont invest in some decent links to "their" airport!
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Old 30th Jun 2012, 10:33
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If you compare to Liverpool where I think in 2011 they had around 5.3 million passengers, then I would agree LBA should have the potential to reach that figue. However Liverpool got in to the LoCo market (for want of a better term) early in the game. Whether that is possible in the current climate at LBA I am not sure, in the future you would hope so.

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Old 30th Jun 2012, 10:33
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I think the new owners need to be given credit, with the new BA route, Jet2 adding another 757, Monarch with new routes and potentially a new base, Thomson with 10 routes, 8 off them new, thinks defintley seem on the up!
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Old 30th Jun 2012, 21:38
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When I did some work with MAG a couple of years back, the 'LS' post code was the biggest traffic feed for MAN outside of the North West. Also much more likely to park compared to people who live closer to MAN, so a big revenue earner for the airport which had people a bit twitchy.

Wouldn't surprise me if there was still an easy 1mppa for LBA to get after and with the blokes they've got running LBA these days, I'd back them to succeed.
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Old 30th Jun 2012, 22:37
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LBA are doing ok ,And given its location it has a lot of traffic. I'm surprised the amount of diversions over the past couple of years of dodgy weather haven't affected things . It must make some airlines rule it out . Man doesn't seem to ever really have that issue .
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Old 1st Jul 2012, 01:23
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Yes, if anyone from BA route planning is reading, I vote for a LPL-LHR route,
great feed potential for sure!

Well if your voting for LPL i vote for NQY-LHR BA service

on the subject of NQY, before SZ were folded by Eastern the NQY-BRS-LBA operated twice daily (i think). Its a little surprising that nobody has picked up the route. Yes i know that some of that traffic would of been BRS-LBA but some of the punters were flying NQY-LBA


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Old 1st Jul 2012, 16:25
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LEEDS APPROACH - I may live in Jersey, however, I do leave the Island every now and again. Working at a high level in commercial aviation, I assure you my facts are well proven and time will demonstrate this.
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Old 7th Jul 2012, 19:36
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LBA - LHR

I give it 12 months then BA will stop the route the simple fact is that BA are far to expensive for business men like me, I travel to the Far East at least twice a year and as we all know BA are using this as a feeder route to LHR but compare MAN-HKG with either Qatar or Air France and its over 700.00 cheaper than LBA-HKG via LHR (business class) and being a business man who flys to HKG and CAN twice a year I would rather fly with Qatar who are SUPERB and a true 5 star airline rather than BA who are no better than Air France, very poor.

Living in Ilkley I would love to use my local airport but the cost is far to much as I always travel with a member of staff and we normally save between 1500 - 2500 flying from Manchester (bus class combined) which pays our hotel, drinks etc and the stop over timings from MAN-CDG-HKG or CAN and MAN-DOH-HKG or CAN are far shorter than LBA-LHR-HKG, I am sorry to say its not going to work.
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Old 7th Jul 2012, 20:14
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But people do fly to places other than HKG.
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Old 7th Jul 2012, 22:10
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BA should be applauded for such a route, their problem is the APD. I bet it's cheaper to fly to AMS or CDG then onward to HKG or wherever in the world.
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Old 7th Jul 2012, 22:42
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So why are MAN's own BA flights to LHR so frequent and popular if everybody can save 000's by using other airlines and routes for their long haul flights?
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Old 7th Jul 2012, 22:44
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For many frequent flyers, the actual cost is not their prority.If you have a decent Oneworld card, you are not going to throw points and miles away with non alliance airlines. When I had a BA gold card, it was BA whenever possible. The same when I became a KLM Plat member.Then always KLM and partners.Flying only a couple of times a year does not really fit into this.
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Old 9th Jul 2012, 12:07
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Monarch expansion

On LBIA facebook page,to become Monarch's 6th UK base with 2 A320's,and 12 routes.

Good news!.
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Old 9th Jul 2012, 12:09
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  • Lanzarote 2 x weekly
  • Antalya 2 x weekly
  • Barcelona 2 x weekly
  • Bodrum 2 x weekly (22 July 16 Sept only)
  • Dalaman 2 x weekly
  • Faro 3 x weekly
  • Rome 2 x weekly
  • Heraklion 2 x weekly
  • Larnaca 2 x weekly
  • Menorca 2 x weekly
  • Majorca 4 x weekly
  • Tenerife 2 x weekly
  • Munich 3 x weekly
Monarch Airlines Launch Leeds Bradford as Sixth UK Base
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Old 9th Jul 2012, 15:36
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Monarch Airlines Summer 2013 Aircraft timetable from Leeds Bradford

Monday's

Aircraft 1:-

07:15 - 13:20 - Menorca (Mahon) - ZB7584
14:05 - 19:45 - Barcelona - ZB7554
20:30 - 06:10*(Tues) - Bodrum - ZB7536

Aircraft 2:-

07:30 - 12:20 - Munich - ZB7572
13:05 - 22:55 - Lanzarote - ZB7592

Tuesday's

Aircraft 1:-

07:00 - 13:05 - Palma de Mallorca - ZB7516
13:50 - 23:45 - Dalaman - ZB7534

Aircraft 2

07:15 - 14:05 - Faro - ZB7542
14:50 - 00:30*(Wed) - Tenerife (South) - ZB7504

Wednesday's

Aircraft 1:-

07:15 - 13:40 - Rome (Fiumicino) - ZB7562
14:25 - 23:45 - Heraklion - ZB7558

Aircraft 2

07:30 - 12:20 - Munich - ZB7572
13:05 - 00:05*(Thurs) - Larnaca - ZB7508

Thursday's

Aircraft 1:-

07:00 - 13:05 - Palma de Mallorca - ZB7516
13:50 - 23:40 - Lanzarote - ZB7592

Aircraft 2

07:15 - 14:05 - Faro - ZB7542
14:50 - 00:45*(Fri) - Antalya - ZB7596

Fridays

Aircraft 1:-

07:00 - 12:40 - Barcelona - ZB7554
13:25 - 23:15 - Tenerife (South) - ZB7504

Aircraft 2

07:15 - 13:20 - Menorca (Mahon) - ZB7584
14:05 - 18:55 - Munich - ZB7572
20:30 - 06:10*(Sat) - Bodrum - Zb7536

Saturday's

Aircraft 1:-

07:15 - 14:05 - Faro - ZB7542
14:50 - 00:45*(Sun) - Dalaman - ZB7534

Aircraft 2

07:30 - 13:35 - Palma de Mallorca - ZB7516
14:25 - 23:45 - Heraklion - ZB7558

Sunday's

Aircraft 1:-

07:00 - 13:05 - Palma de Mallorca - ZB7516
13:50 - 00:50*(Mon) - Larnaca - ZB7508

Aircraft 2

07:15 - 13:40 - Rome (Fiumicino) - ZB7562
14:25 - 00:20*(Mon) - ZB7508

Both Aircraft are showing as Airbus A320's.

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Old 9th Jul 2012, 17:00
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15 Minute turn round on Monday ???
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