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Old 29th Jul 2011, 16:56
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Exactly. But the problem Tesco have is that the competition is on their doorstep – it’s a no brainer to make a 5 minute diversion to another supermarket. Not quite so easy with an airport, which is why LBA can get away with it and Tesco’s can’t……
Absolutely. The car parking charge will gain plenty of tuts and whinging but ultimately, and this key, it probably won't put them off using the airport. People tend to have short memories and as always they will still look for the cheapest fare or take into account the convenience of an airport. Ironically, the former is probably the reason why such charges are brought in.......because nobody wants to pay the going rate for a flight. No person in their right mind would seriously take into account a dropping off fee......other than the very frequent flyer who wants to prove a point.
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Yes...but the point i am making is this: when you go shopping at Tesco and there is a notice up saying that Tesco is going to invest millions of pounds into the stores infrastructure, They dont charge the customer for dropping or picking people up!!!
The mistake you are making is in trying to compare two different types of business that both operate car parks

Tesco don't charge to use their car parks because they are charging people via the products that they sell in the stores. If you spend £100 shopping in Tesco, then even after they have paid the suppliers, the staff and the bills to keep the shops open and running, they still have about £10 of your £100 left in their pockets to pay dividends to their shareholders, fund investment in new stores and so on. So of course Tesco are charging customers. Just because it is all hidden and wrapped up in your weekly food bill, doesn't mean you aren't being charged.

Airports don't buy and sell physical products, so they have to charge their customers in a different way. They charge airlines a handling fee for using the airport, they charge catering and retail outlets a rental fee if they want to be in the airport to sell stuff and they charge you the passenger for using their car parkis, fast track security and premier lounges etc. In total, all of these fees have to add up to more than it costs to keep the airport running otherwise there is no chance of anyone providing money to invest and there probably won't be a viable business in the long run.

At the end of the day airport prices and holidays have gone up, with the added inflated priced all LBA all they are doing is pushing some customers away, they are doing the opposite of what they wanted....,
Yes, holiday prices have gone up because the cost of fuel has gone up so guess what, that cost is being passed onto you the customer. Again, you the customer are being charged by airlines and tour operators who need to to cover their costs.

surely the best way to encourage investment is to keep the customer happy and not hit them with more charges
You do not encourage investment from customers. You make a solid business case to the people providing the finance to you that you will give them their money back with interest ! They will not give a monkey's about happy customers unless you can prove that happy customers = customers spending more. If however, your approach to making customers happy is by giving them things for free or below cost price, you do not have a sustainable business. We could all sell £10 notes for £5 and have, for a while at least, probably the most satisfied customers of any business anywhere. It would not last long.
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Old 30th Jul 2011, 20:45
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682ft...I can't resist....We could all sell £10 notes for £5 and have, for a while at least, probably the most satisfied customers of any business anywhere. It would not last long. That will be good old Gordon Brown then !!!!!!
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I think a few things need clarifying.

It is £2 if you go in the pick up and drop off but you do get 30 minutes for this.
If more people knew this they would see their loved ones off as they'd like to rather than trying to beat an F1 pit team for the time it takes the car to stop, get cases out and say tarrah whilst driving off.

There is also free parking in the long stay for an hour.
Yes it isnt on the doorstep but there are plenty of FREE buses to get all and sundry to the terminal.

If more people knew things like this (LBA could well publicise it more if it chose to) then the passenger (& those unfortunate enough to be dropping them or picking up) experience would improve big time.

Wait while easter and see how the terminal looks then guys and gals.
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Old 31st Jul 2011, 02:40
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To those who complain about the drop fee, how many use the airport more than 1 time per year.
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Old 1st Aug 2011, 19:37
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Warkrk, to your question i use the airport on average 4 times a year and then i prefer to use the 737 Bus from Bradford as it means, i dont have to pay for car parking or someone pay £2 to drop us off, plus it just as cheap to use the bus £4 return from mine to the airport, cheaper than car parking and the same price as drop off and pick up.
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Old 2nd Aug 2011, 09:22
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lucky u i am from harrogate and the 737 bus from harrogate to the airport is £8 return so its cheeper for me to get some one to drop me off and i think £2 for a harf an hour isnt bad and it dosnt put me off flying from LBA
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Old 2nd Aug 2011, 10:09
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The thing that all the successful supermarkets (and other truly successful businesses) learned years ago is that you make it easy for the customer to buy, and whatever it is you sell them, they feel that it is fair and good value.

The pax aviation industry seems to have lost sight of these simple business tenets. In this case, the industry is "selling" a journey from Leeds to somewhere else, and not a series of individual components that are mutually exclusive, Scratting around for change at each stage of this journey makes for inconvenience and a feeling of being conned.

And please try and explain what on earth is the economic logic for not charging for an hour's parking and provision of a bus journey from the car park, but charging for a drop off where the customer transports themselves ?

Finally, the benefit of half an hour for your 2 quid is no benefit whatsoever for the colleague who drops off a business-associate without any luggage in 10 secs, but then has to spend extra time finding cash, queueing at the barrier etc., and subsequently writing up an expenses claim.
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Old 9th Aug 2011, 19:04
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Get closer to the Northern Lights with a new flight from LBA


Hurtigruten launches Northern Lights cruise from Leeds Bradford Airport

For many, seeing the Northern Lights is a ‘must do’ on their wish list, and thanks to Norwegian cruise specialist, Hurtigruten, it just got even easier for the people of Yorkshire to fulfill this once-in-a-lifetime dream. A new one-off charter flight has been launched on 25 January 2012 direct from Leeds Bradford Airport (LBA) to Bergen which ties in with a 12-day cruise along the Norwegian Fjords, where the Northern Lights are regularly spotted during the winter months. This is the first time Hurtigruten has offered cruises with flights direct from Leeds Bradford.

The cruise is a 12-day voyage from Bergen in the South to Kirkenes in the far north of Norway, just a few miles from the Russian border. The ship will call at 34 ports along the way, most of which are never visited by the larger cruise liners. There is no better way to experience the Northern Lights than by sailing through the sheltered coastal waters of Norway, on board a Hurtigruten as the Northern Lights are set against a dark sky, free from artificial light. It is also widely reported that this winter is expected to be one of the best years for solar activity and therefore spotting the Northern Lights.

In addition, throughout the 12 days, a wide range of winter activities can be enjoyed with everything from snowmobiling and husky dog sledging to a trip to North Cape or a Lofotor Viking feast.

Tony Hallwood, Leeds Bradford Airport’s Commercial Director, said: “We are delighted that Hurtigruten has introduced this very special cruise package from Leeds Bradford Airport. Passengers will be able enjoy a fabulous Winter Wonderland cruise and also have the chance to see nature’s natural firework display, the spectacular Northern Lights. It’s an un-missable, once in a life-time holiday experience.”
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Old 11th Aug 2011, 13:39
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It seems Eastern have finally given up on the MME/LBA-SOU route. No flights bookable after the end of the month.
Still - Flybe still serve the route (although the cynic in me wonders if the fares might nudge up a bit now the competition has gone....)
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Old 17th Aug 2011, 00:57
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Originally Posted by Runway 32/14
when you go shopping at Tesco and there is a notice up saying that Tesco is going to invest millions of pounds into the stores infrastructure, They dont charge the customer for dropping or picking people up!!!

They would if they thought they'd get away with it.........
In an idle moment, I read the small print on the signs in a Sainsbury's car park. It seems by parking on their ground you are entering into a contract with them, the terms and condition thereof are available on request. Any fees they get from over stayers or those parked in the wrong place go towards the cost of policing the car park any excess are given to a charity (the name of which escapes for the moment). So they are keen to tell you that they are not making money from the operation of the car park at all.

On another thread, unless I have misunderstood, Ryanair have pulled (are pulling) out of LBA This might hold the key to maximising revenue from passengers by the airport.
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Old 17th Aug 2011, 11:18
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On another thread, unless I have misunderstood, Ryanair have pulled (are pulling)
Well miss understood Dawdler. The only route that's been pulled is the Knock service due to low passenger numbers.

MOL has already said that Ryanair are quite happy with there LBA based operation. I understand that they have had discussions with the airport regarding adding a 3rd aircraft to the base next summer but nothing has been decided as yet. So weather it happens well is anyone's guess.

Winter routes on sale are as follows. Alicante, Barcelona, Dusseldorf-Weeze, Dublin, Faro, Fuerteventura, Gdansk, Kaunas, Krakow, Lanzarote-Arrecife, Malaga, Riga & Venice-Treviso
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Old 18th Aug 2011, 23:53
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Thanks for the correction. I consider myself admonished for adding to the rumour mill.
BTW Any chance of a comment on the issues being discussed in the last page and a half of this thread?

Thanks again.
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Old 19th Aug 2011, 11:29
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July 2011’s stats are now out and show that LBA has just had its busiest 12 month period on record.

LBA handled a total of 361,307 passengers in July 2011 which is 3.8% up on July 2010 which saw 309,790 passengers handled.

So LBA saw 10,322 more passengers handled in July 2011 even though it had 3.9% less flights compared July 2010.

The rolling year total is also up 13.4% and now stands at 2,935,983
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Old 19th Aug 2011, 12:25
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Looks like Eastern Airways are to increase there services from Leeds/Bradford to both Bristol and Aberdeen from 2x daily to 3x daily from October 3rd using the ex Air Southwest Dash 8-300's.
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B777/200

Was looking at an area brief for LBA earlier and it refers to B777/200.

Can anyone shed any light?

Q) EGTT/QFAXX/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5352N00140W005
B) FROM: 11/08/08 10:03C) TO: PERM
E) AMEND LOC 14 W 2.4(2011) ILS CAT 1, LOC 32 W 2.4 (2011) ILS CAT III
AIP EGNM AD 2 EGNM-1-6, AD 2.19-RADIO NAVIGATION AND LANDING AIDS
COLUMN 1 REFERS
ADD PARAGRAPH 1 (L) VISITING GA PILOTS MUST ENSURE THAT THEY ARE
FULLY BRIEFED ON ARRIVAL,DEPARTURE AND TAXI PROCEDURES PRIOR TO
USING THE AERODROME, ATZ ENTRY MAY BE REFUSED,OR FLIGHTS CAN EXPECT
SIGNIFICANT DELAYS IF UNFAMILIAR WITH ATC PROCEDURES. ADD (M) NON
ACL SLOT ALLOCATED GA/BA MOVEMENTS CAN EXPECT SIGNIFICANT DELAYS
BETWEEN 0800-0900 LOCAL,MARCH-OCTOBER DUE TO RUNWAY CAPACITY.
ADD PARAGRAGH 2 (D) B777/200. ADD PARAGRAGH (E) AIRCRAFT ABLE TO USE
INTERSECTIONS FOR DEPARTURE ( PARTICULARLY D1 FOR RWY 32 OR A2 FOR
RWY 14) SHOULD INFORM ATC WHEN REQUESTING PUSH BACK OR START UP
PARAGRAPH 6 ADD. IN ACCORDANCE...
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Ive heard that the PK is visiting from MAN on 9th September on a test flight, can anyone confirm this?
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Old 30th Aug 2011, 20:33
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According to another forum and having checked it out myself dose anyone know why Leeds has just appeared as a destination in the drop down menu on the British Airways website this evening?
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Old 30th Aug 2011, 20:42
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Newquay and London Stansted has also come up on the menu too...
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Old 30th Aug 2011, 20:53
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It appears on the menu because of code shares between flybe and BA.
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