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Shame about PIA, but economics and no replacement for the ever ageing A310 I guess it was only a matter of time. But IMO I wouldn't be surprised if Air Blue jump in if they can get the rights so all may not be lost
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Is this history repeating itself? PIA only came on the route when Shaheen operating for a local Bradford travel agent stole a load of passengers from PIA at MAN until the lease on their A310s ran out and they could not renew.
If PIA are getting rid of their A310s then this would explain why they are giving up on a route with 82.5% average load. As for a 50 minute trip to MAN I'd like to see that done without breaking any speed limits unless you are travelling at 0300!
I just hope the local Pakistani community can persude another operator to take up the route. AitBlue/Jet2/EK via Dubai (As per PIAs reason for their GLA pull out) all are feasable, but EK by far the least likley give 3 a day from MAN and 1 from NCL. Jet2 unlikley given 752W are all busy and don't have the legs direct. AirBlue via IST seem the best hope but will the loss of a direct service mean the locals would rather brave the M62?
Hopefully now the airport has a pro active owner we may have some hope but they really do need to sort out the noise issues which I am sure didn't assist in PIAs decision.
If PIA are getting rid of their A310s then this would explain why they are giving up on a route with 82.5% average load. As for a 50 minute trip to MAN I'd like to see that done without breaking any speed limits unless you are travelling at 0300!
I just hope the local Pakistani community can persude another operator to take up the route. AitBlue/Jet2/EK via Dubai (As per PIAs reason for their GLA pull out) all are feasable, but EK by far the least likley give 3 a day from MAN and 1 from NCL. Jet2 unlikley given 752W are all busy and don't have the legs direct. AirBlue via IST seem the best hope but will the loss of a direct service mean the locals would rather brave the M62?
Hopefully now the airport has a pro active owner we may have some hope but they really do need to sort out the noise issues which I am sure didn't assist in PIAs decision.
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"retirement of the A310s and the lack of a suitable replacement which can cope with the operating constaints at LBA.!
Whilst not currently available have you seen the 787s performance figures? You could connect LBA direct to half the planet with one of those babys. That ac could become a world changer which, if I remember correctly, was Boeings argument verses the A380. Point to point verses Hub to hub.
Interesting times ahead me thinks!
"retirement of the A310s and the lack of a suitable replacement which can cope with the operating constaints at LBA.!
Whilst not currently available have you seen the 787s performance figures? You could connect LBA direct to half the planet with one of those babys. That ac could become a world changer which, if I remember correctly, was Boeings argument verses the A380. Point to point verses Hub to hub.
Interesting times ahead me thinks!
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Only problem with the 787 is it still isn't in service and there will be a lot of routes already planned ahead of a possible LBA- Pakistan route, plus PK for example haven't ordered any.
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I dont understand how an airline can in the space of a few months announce good loads and a profit, with a view to possibly expand its service from Leeds, To high load factors but no profit!!!
Sounds to me like PIA are having the same problems as Shaheen had, but are using the 'there's no money in it excuse' as a cover for their own failings, what was wrong with the 777 that they were supposed to be bringing in, loads of nearly 83% is very good, if pia couldnt make a return then there is something wrong, personally i dont believe it
Sounds to me like PIA are having the same problems as Shaheen had, but are using the 'there's no money in it excuse' as a cover for their own failings, what was wrong with the 777 that they were supposed to be bringing in, loads of nearly 83% is very good, if pia couldnt make a return then there is something wrong, personally i dont believe it
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All what you say is true and has already been said by me and others many times.There are some who can still see the "kings new clothes" but even their support must fading.
Bridgepoint are simply investors. In any case, do they have enough money to invest? It was always my view that the promised 80m over 10 years was going to come from yearly profits which may not have materialised.
It is an absolute disgrace and Leeds City council in particular should be ashamed of themselves. They sold to the highest bidder and maybe not the best bidder for the people. Then they have continually placed obstacles and more financial demands on Bridgepoint and even suggested the local roads were not adequate as if it were Bridgepoint's fault after the council did nothing from their side in the last 30 years.
All what you say is true and has already been said by me and others many times.There are some who can still see the "kings new clothes" but even their support must fading.
Bridgepoint are simply investors. In any case, do they have enough money to invest? It was always my view that the promised 80m over 10 years was going to come from yearly profits which may not have materialised.
It is an absolute disgrace and Leeds City council in particular should be ashamed of themselves. They sold to the highest bidder and maybe not the best bidder for the people. Then they have continually placed obstacles and more financial demands on Bridgepoint and even suggested the local roads were not adequate as if it were Bridgepoint's fault after the council did nothing from their side in the last 30 years.
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Heard from someone high up in Servisair that PIA are not pulling out so what is exactly happening ?
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Yes the booking system is back up and running now ! so maybe the problem has been resolved.
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Maybe it was a threat by PIA to try to get the authorities off their backs whenever they break the noise limits on a late departure? It will be interesting to see what they do if they do indeed, loose half the A310 fleet. Maybe they will go via IST using the A320s as per a certain other Pakastani operator that competes with PIA out of MAN. 
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Who know's,
On another forum i have read that PIA will more than likely pull out of Leeds after December, as the yield per seat is not profitable and with the price of oil it is making a loss!!! my answer to that is this, use the b777-200 it is a much more economical aircraft, but i cant see that happening either, not sure what will happen after Xmas, will PIA come back, or fly away forever!!!
On another forum i have read that PIA will more than likely pull out of Leeds after December, as the yield per seat is not profitable and with the price of oil it is making a loss!!! my answer to that is this, use the b777-200 it is a much more economical aircraft, but i cant see that happening either, not sure what will happen after Xmas, will PIA come back, or fly away forever!!!
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A full press release has now been issued on the LBA website regarding the continuation of PIA's 2x weekly Islamabad service. It mentions that the route is now the Airport's flag-ship service and that PIA will look into operating the Boeing 777's in the near future”.
PIA to Continue Operating Flights to Islamabad from LBA
PIA to Continue Operating Flights to Islamabad from LBA