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Old 17th Aug 2009, 17:24
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Ryanair to pull out of Manchester

Just heard this on the news ..that Ryanair are pulling all but one of their flights out of Manchester, due to "charges"..check out the BBC link

BBC NEWS | Business | Ryanair closing Manchester routes
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Old 17th Aug 2009, 22:50
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Well it looks like Jet2 have now dropped plans to operate to Pisa and Krakow from LBA next summer

As I've just noticed on the jet2 site that both routes are not bookable after the end of this October. The Krakow route was on sale up until last weeks Ryanair announcement while the Pisa service was bookable for next summer until earlier this evening.

So it’s already MOL 2, PM 0.

Come on, where is Jet2's Yorkshire's fighting spirit gone? Hope they haven’t given up already…
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Old 17th Aug 2009, 23:22
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Perhaps the fighting spirit has come to the right side of the Pennines? 1 extra 737 and 3 new routes at Manchester.

if MAN has refused to be "prostituted" by charging less than £3 per pax for FR, it does imply LBA has offered this. How profitable having FR as a based airline is something I hope Bridgepoint have worked out.
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Old 17th Aug 2009, 23:22
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Not so much giving up as flying more routes from Manchester and Newcastle and fewer from Leeds Bradford.
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Old 17th Aug 2009, 23:44
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LBA Management's plan to increase pax figures has gone out of the window then, with Jet2 taking 2 aircraft out of LBA for next summer. Capacity wise LBA will be pretty much the same as this summer (loss of 1x733 & 1x752 and the addition of 2x738) plus a very annoyed Jet2.

I have a feeling Jet2 are going to be even more annoyed when the aircraft stand allocations emerge for next summer, stands 9, 10 & 11 earmarked for Ryanair. (Means nothing to anyone who doesnt know LBA, but for those who do..) I'd like to see the airport cope with at least 7 Jet2 departures at a similar time, all on bussing stands with only 5 busses. Whatever numpty who thought it was a good idea to get Ryanir into LBA without a terminal (or apron, or handing agent) able to deal with them needs a talking to! Ryanair already take preference now, like today Jet2 757 lands first, Ryanair 737 lands 15 minutes later, no guessing - the Ryanair bags were on the belt first resulting in the Jet2 passengers waiting an HOUR for their bags. Servisair need to get their act together, they are short staffed this summer so for everyone's sake lets hope they take on more people for next summer!! If only the Jet2 self handling included baggage!!
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Old 18th Aug 2009, 07:13
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Quick turn arounds are very important in the Loco model and its a lot easier to do that with a 738 than 757, at most ryanair bases the ground staff are on the ball, the GPU is plugged in before the beacons are off, APU shut down and pax all but shoved down the stairs. Its less important if you have a longer turn time, but yes the bags will be on the belt quicker, so you had a nice hoilday with jet2 a good flight and then your lasting memory is waiting an hour for your luggage, guess who you blame?

I find it ironic when people applause Man for not prostituting themselves to Ryanair at MAN but seem to expect Bridgeport to do the same for Jet2, there can only be one explaination, that most on here bemoaning Ryanairs arrival are Jet2 employee's/management crapping themselves

For everyone else it means more choice of routes and airlines, that they may fly to some of the same destinations so what? if that means that on some occasions i can catch an early flight with Jet2 but return on a later flight with Ryanair, then for the travelling public its a win win.

Everyone knows about Ryanair's extra charges, it may be sneaky but its not illegal or a fraud and Jet2 have more than a few extra's of their own these days, so sit back and enjoy. If Jet2 are so much better value than Ryanair they have nothing fear and neither do their employee's

More likely is that Leeds pax have become a cash cow for Jet2 to help fund/support their growth elsewhere

I think the first route loss will be bmi regionals remaining base unit if and when ryanair do Brussels South (i think its on the chop list from MAN) it can't be cost effective to support one based unit with engineering cover, all of bmi regional other small base ops have engineer support that cover their mainline ops and or baby
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Old 18th Aug 2009, 09:58
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Baggage Hall

Can the baggage hall cope, there are times in the day when it gets very full of people. Any delay in bags arriving will cause problems.
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Old 18th Aug 2009, 12:54
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Baggage Hall

Can the baggage hall cope, there are times in the day when it gets very full of people. Any delay in bags arriving will cause problems.
Maybe this problem will be addressed with the terminal expansion, I would have hoped the LBA developers have already thought about it.....
After all they are supposed to be doubling capacity at the airport, so all other infrastructure needs to be inplace....
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Old 18th Aug 2009, 13:54
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Facelookbovvered, I was more addressing the point that Ryanair get preferential treatment at LBA as it is, and the other airlines (Not just Jet2) suffer. I know that Ryanair have a quick turn around but Jet2 do also, we aim to turn around a 737 in 30 minutes and a 757 in 40 minutes.

It annoys a lot of people that Servisair will turn up to a Jet2 757, marshal it onto stand and get busses for the pax, then all of them sod off to do the Ryanair, once the Ryanair has pushed (some 25 minutes later) they come back to offload the bags from the Jet2 757, which now has a nice delay for the next flight. The situation should be that they should employ enough staff to handle both flights at the same time!!

It is beyond me why the airport regualry use one of the two airbridge stands at LBA for the evening Ryanair arrival, but don't actually use the airbridge. This happened last week, the KLM and Thomas Cook, aswell as an Air Malta A320 and Jet2 757 turned up around the same time. So the four airlines that actually PAY to use an airbridge, Stand 7 was used by the KLM Fokker and stand 8 (airbridge stand) by Ryanair. The rest were put on bussing stands/walk on stands and had a massive wait in baggage. (All the belts in 'use' but surprise surprise only baggage from Dublin was coming through)

Servisair are a joke at LBA at the moment, the merger with Aviance at LBA has made it even worse, there shouldn't be an order of priority over which aircraft get dealt with first other then which one lands first! Unless you witness this happening on a day to day basis you probably won't understand my comments, most of the staff at LBA (Including Servisiar) are not looking forward to Ryanair, the current terminal is under so much pressure already and with the demands Ryanair are putting on the airport (They are deamnding stands 9,10 &11, they are also refusing to use bussing stands 12-24, yet still want the airport to provide busses for walk on stands) next summer is going to be a complete joke. The airport really have let themselves down by letting Ryanair in at the moment, they are walking all over everyone with their demands already, yes Ryanair please come into LBA in two years when the nice new terminal is ready for use, just not now!
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Old 18th Aug 2009, 17:00
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You make an excellent point, and i have to agree with what you are saying......Why Bridgepoint are allowing themselves to be pushed around by an airline who obviously have no loyalty or care to airport or paxs is beyond me.......And it would have made more sense to have to groundwork e.i. terminal, apron, airbridges etc installed built and completed before allowing more airlines in, i know they want to expand, but why are they trying to do it all in one go, whats the rush, surely they should do one job at a time, and do it properly, with minimum fuss and less stress on the already strained working conditions....
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Old 18th Aug 2009, 17:25
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in my opinion there are one or two other ways in which ryr might not be so good for LBA.
1) ryr operate a strict one piece only hand luggage policy. this includes any purchases in airport shops. they enforce this to the extent that on a flight from EMA one morning not so long ago, i had to leave behind the bottle of water and newspaper i had just bought from smiths, as it would not fit in my hand luggage which was suitably rammed full to compensate for the paltry luggage allowance. result: people begin to stop buying anything from duty free or any other shops because ryr will not allow them to take it on board if it will not fit inside their cabin baggage.
2) this possible reduction in retail sales might be worsened further by ryr's insistance on pax being called to the gate long before the flight is available for boarding. As a former dispatcher i know the benefit of having your pax ready at the gate, but ryr in my opinion are excessively keen on this. result : the average passenger is sat/stood /cramped in the boarding gate nearly an hour before departure, when they could be browsing duty free, having a drink etc.
my basic point is not only do ryr want to drill airports into the ground, MAN being a perfect example, their policies can also affect an airport's other revenue streams.
it may be that jet2 are no pushovers when it comes to airport negotiations, but i suspect their intentions towards leeds bradford and its passengers are more honourable than simply wanting to put its competitors out of business. i for one will continue to try to support jet2 where i can
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Old 18th Aug 2009, 18:01
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What happens when/if LS feel that they have no alternative but to move out of LBA, this would leave FR with a full monopoly at the airport....What happens then, when FR demand that the airport reduce it fee's, if the bosses at LBA say no...then FR will simply pull out and go somewhere else...leaving LBA with no airlines to operate with......what happens then, LBA would be as good as dead.......just a thought

I of course hope this never happens and that the airport continues in its growth.............but you just never know....LBA could be like it was before Jet2 Breathed life into the old place.......
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Old 18th Aug 2009, 20:55
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I don't think Jet2 will ever up sticks and leave LBA, they have invested far too much into the place, it would be pretty crazy to leave the place when their HQ is there BUT I know exactly what you mean.

As for the deal that Ryanair have got, its nothing fantastic at all, and O'Leary has been public that they did not get the deal they were looking for. Jet2 have been treated very very well at LBA in certain aspects and I really hope this continues. However it was imperative that the new terminal was in place before Ryanair move in, and this is not going to happen. For passenger figures to grow by the rate the LBA management team want, they needed to get Ryanair in, but not for Ryanair to duplicate routes already served very well at the airport.

I believe that if Ryanair opened a base at LBA serving routes not already served, and routes that the airport has made public they are desperatly looking for - Frankfurt, Bremen, Madrid, Stockholm .. all Ryanair bases. This way they could have kept Jet2 happy with the wealth of routes they perate from LBA, and grow passenger numbers. I know Mr Meeson is very annoyed at the route duplication, but he is confident that Jet2 will win on many of the routes.

I'm not sure if it has been posted yet but Jet2 have also dropped PSA from LBA as well as KRK. I fear VCE may be next, but has PM has said, the city routes are performing rather poorly and his business model has changed to the core sun leisure routes, this has been backed up by Jet2 winning several large contracts with Thomas Cook recently, with Jet2 operating charters for TCX to HER, FAO, SSH, TFS and AGP next summer from LBA, allowing the TCX based unit to expand into new destinations. Jet2 also winning contracts over Viking Airlines at MAN with their new KGS, CFU (etc) routes. A very good way to minimise risk on new routes.
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Old 18th Aug 2009, 22:10
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i read somewhere at the weekend that 5 million pax a year is the magic number for regional airports, this was based on foot traffic for retail sales units in airports, i don't know the deals, but i would guess that in signing to take a retail unit the airport must have to give some undertaking on pax numbers to make the figure add up. I agree 100% wit RHR that the (Ryanair) policy on hand luggage demages retail demand, But Jet2 are also very strict on this as well.

The whole business is fast becoming a joke in terms of customer service and will invite the authorities to come in and set basic rules in their cack handed way

I think many are becoming fed up/bored with MOL and Ryanair, puts me off flying and Ireland in fact i'd rather catch the ferry, i tend not to shop at Netto or eat crap food, Waitrose is better, more importantly its the people around you, if its a choice of pissed chav's or not going to Dublin guess what i can go into Leeds or Wakefield and see plenty of pissed chav's with out getting on to one Mr MOL moving sheep pens

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Old 18th Aug 2009, 22:58
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if its a choice of pissed chav's or not going to Dublin guess what i can go into Leeds or Wakefield and see plenty of pissed chav's with out getting on to one Mr MOL moving sheep pens
Love it! I wish someone had said that earlier!
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Old 19th Aug 2009, 11:26
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Maybe pax's should boycott all FR flights.....
I dont trust MOL at all, he is a bully, All pax from LBA should only fly with LS, TCX, BE, BD, TOM..... Infact Any other airline apart from FR, I say they should go before they do irreparable damage to LBA...
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Old 19th Aug 2009, 12:48
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Haha, you've hit the nail right on the head there, your parody of the LBA Jet2 fanboys is perfect, nice one!!!
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Old 19th Aug 2009, 13:39
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Isn't this all a bit NIMBY syndrome. I'm not FR's biggest fan by any means but without them & EZY there would most likely be no Jet2 or as many of the other loco carriers as there are. West Yorkshire and surrounds should be deeply grateful for Jet2 but they surely effectively just copied the FR model in areas where FR were not operating. Everyone else can have Ryanair but we just want Jet2? real world people...
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Old 19th Aug 2009, 15:50
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Jet2 effectively just copied the FR model in areas where FR were not operating.
LS do a better job than FR, If LS did copy FR's model, at least they didnt go into direct competition against them, where as FR have done just that, they have come in and copied LS's routes, FR are playing it safe with already trusted Bucket & spade routes...FR should have come in with something brand new and exciting...but they didnt
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Nobody moaned when LS moved in on Amsterdam, Paris, Newquay and now Bergerac. Seems what FR is doing is fair to me. Anyway, operators fall over themselves to fly routes out of Manchester, with two or more airlines often flying the same route, so I am sure that popular routes from Leeds can cope with two, and if LS do have to pull some thinner routes, then there are still plenty of unserved leisure destinations from Leeds to consider. NAP, FNC and a number of Greek islands spring straight to mind.

On a different note, has LEI gone?
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