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Old 15th May 2017, 13:28
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Garston and allerton stations were demolished more than 10 years ago to make way for Liverpool South Parkway, which brings together the merseyrail network, long distance trains (including direct from leeds), the local bus network and a direct shuttle to link with the airport. It was built to look the same as the airport terminal and displays flight check in desk numbers and departure times in the station concourse. Something like this would be good for LBA, it's just the geography doesn't lend itself well to it.
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Old 15th May 2017, 14:04
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Obviously a long time since you were in Liverpool Harry..A much different place today. Great City. Have used the train many times to and from there sucessfully. Always get off at South Parkway and get a minicab down to the Airport. Works for me
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Old 26th May 2017, 05:00
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Interesting...

David Laws appointed as new chief executive at Leeds Bradford Airport (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)
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Old 26th May 2017, 10:46
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So see the based Sunwing B738 has gone tech.
As is usual case Thomson's are bussing this morings delayed Corfu pax over the M62 to fly from MAN.

Be interesting to see how they recover rest of the schedule?
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Old 27th May 2017, 12:11
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Originally Posted by LEEDS APPROACH View Post

Yorkshire and Humberside does indeed have a very large TRUE natural underlying demand for civil aviation flying but not from 2 terribly located airports that are not only fighting against each other but are also up against incredibly well connected and efficient competitor airports.
I really don't get this DSA vs LBA "competition" thing. They really are not. Not in the way people on here seem to suggest anyway. They are actually poles apart in that respect, including catchment areas too (despite being in the same county).

However rightly said, there other airports that LBA and DSA are fighting against and yes of course transport and connectivity is a factor. For DSA, the South Yorkshire / Humberside and Nottinghamamshire catchment areas are choosing EMA and MAN as the alternate competing airport. LBA would be way at the bottom of that list.
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Old 27th May 2017, 12:29
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there other airports that LBA and DSA are fighting against
They are not fighting against except in the mind of a spotter, LHR offer their product, LGW theirs, STN similar, MAN is the metropolis airport of the north and then there are regionals all over the place, including LBA and DSA.

Is anybody suggesting that STN is poaching NWI's potential passengers ... No of course they're not because they're two different markets and nobody really cares a sh1t ... Alas in Yorkshire it seems you have a renegade spotter
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Old 27th May 2017, 12:59
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Stansted takes many millions of passengers from East Anglia every year
Stansted is in Essex and that is in East Anglia!

It's so so simple Harry
Not simple enough for you ... Obviously!
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Old 27th May 2017, 13:42
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Flights that are not sustainable from Norwich but are sustainable from Stansted due to their relative population catchments.
Which is what happens with MAN and the other airports in the North of England.

Wouldn't any notional Greater Yorkshire International airport merely split the market in the north and make services from both airports unviable, in the same way you berate LBA and DSA?
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Old 27th May 2017, 14:47
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Landed at LBA yesterday at 15:05. Expected the worst at Border Control, but through in 5 minutes. Hey ho, I thought, this is looking good! Then waited 40 minutes for our luggage!
By the time we picked our car up, it was gone 16:00, and we hit the Leeds ring road traffic. An hour to get to the A1. However you look at it,the road connections are abysmal.
Next time I'm using BHX.
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Old 27th May 2017, 16:52
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Who's rattled LEEDS APPROACH?

You don't see him post every day but when he does so doesn't he continue to go on with the same age old message, he really has got one hell of an agenda and carries on explaining it in every post he makes, he seems so incensed by it all that it's becoming a complete farce.
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Old 27th May 2017, 17:27
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I lived 42 years in the Netherlands and 45mins drive from Dusseldorf, worldwide connections built up over the years along with the road structure. We now live in Scarborough and the difference (OK along with the industrial importance) is marked. From home to LBA is about the same distance but takes 90 mins on a good day. The problem is around Leeds where if one arrives slightly late in the evening or has to pick up pax the roads are logjammed. Once away from the Leeds area, the A1M and A64 are manageable. I will stick with LBA because KLM are great and reliable and Schiphol is miles better than LHR. Manchester is just that bit too far and the M62 is a big problem most days when trying to make a flight. OK the train service to MAN is good for us but LBA is the best of a bad lot. When will the Leeds City Councillors and Yorkshire (Forward?!) County Council wake up to the problem.
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Old 27th May 2017, 17:38
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They do know the problems Zed but tbh there is no way to fix it. Too much housing between the airport and the city means more cars every year. People from the catchment area use Manchester and Liverpool for 2 reasons. Firstly ease of getting there, like you excellent rail links from Scarborough etc but secondly, cost. LBA must be one of the most expensive airports to get flights out from, unless you drop lucky. The otherside of the Pennines usually has more competition on routes and a lower range of price

Gone are the days when local people always used their local airport. Different world, but sadly not all are aware of that fact
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Old 27th May 2017, 17:52
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Paully, agree, except that the KLM fares from LBA are very good compared with KLM Teesside and Humberside... probably the oil/chemical industry pull. We avoid MAN just for the distance and the KLM fares are probably similar to LBA. It's just the hassle of train/bus connections and uncertainty of making a fight that pushes me to use a car. Where we live is great and LBA is useful and the best option... but.
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Old 27th May 2017, 18:01
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Originally Posted by LEEDS APPROACH View Post
Quite clearly Andrew you do not actually know what you are talking about!

EVERY year 5 million (and rising at an alarming rate) Yorkshire and Humberside residents are flying from Manchester airport. Not to Beijing but to Alicante etc.

For every 3 persons in a queue at Manchester airport who reside in the North West there will be 1 person who resides in Yorkshire and Humberside.

This is just 1 competitor airport [man]! Many 100s of thousands of Yorkshire and Humberside residents are flying from LPL, EMA, NCL, BHX etc etc EVERY year.

This ONE direction leakage is purely down to the location, amount and functionality of airports within Yorkshire and Humber(side).

Of course the propensity to fly is slightly higher in the North West than Yorkshire and the Humber - Because if you have some thing that is able to be used - you are more likely to use it. People who live in the Alps are more likely to ski than those that live in the Sahara! If you are a company that needs to ski you most certainly do not base yourself in the Sahara! Not rocket science kids! Give the East of the Pennines 1 sensible civil aviation solution and those propensities will equalise.

The propensities to fly will only stretch further apart while Yorkshire and the Humber has an utterly failing civil aviation strategy of having too many restricted airports in completely the wrong location.
LEEDS APPROACH, you don't do numbers too well do you? I'd love to know the sources for some of your 'statistics '...

By your logic, practically the whole population of Yorks and Humber is choosing to fly from Manchester. I'm not sure then where the Yorkshire folk flying from other airports (including Leeds and Doncaster)are appearing from...
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Old 27th May 2017, 18:42
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With statistics one can prove anything, that's why managers always win : ( ... and I hated that. Logic goes out of the door. Yorkshire folk, once a year or so, will use LBA for bucket and spade routes but long haul is a different thing. A lot also depends on airline loyalty. We are off to the US in September but I don't particularly like the cattle pen type of Virgin Upper Class seat. We are flying KLM and with that and other, previously stated, points taken into account. I worked in aviation (ATC), so have a little knowledge and it's my money after all.
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Old 27th May 2017, 19:38
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Originally Posted by canberra97 View Post
Who's rattled LEEDS APPROACH?

You don't see him post every day but when he does so doesn't he continue to go on with the same age old message, he really has got one hell of an agenda and carries on explaining it in every post he makes, he seems so incensed by it all that it's becoming a complete farce.
Dear Moderators. We are all allowed an opinion but frankly, the one-joke act known as LEEDS APPROACH has gone beyond tiresome and is now plain annoying. Can you rein him in please ?
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Old 27th May 2017, 20:03
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Originally Posted by wowzz View Post
Landed at LBA yesterday at 15:05. Expected the worst at Border Control, but through in 5 minutes. Hey ho, I thought, this is looking good! Then waited 40 minutes for our luggage!
By the time we picked our car up, it was gone 16:00, and we hit the Leeds ring road traffic. An hour to get to the A1. However you look at it,the road connections are abysmal.
Next time I'm using BHX.
Travels on bank holiday Friday evening. Complains the road connection is poor.
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Old 27th May 2017, 20:06
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Originally Posted by wowzz View Post
Landed at LBA yesterday at 15:05. Expected the worst at Border Control, but through in 5 minutes. Hey ho, I thought, this is looking good! Then waited 40 minutes for our luggage!
By the time we picked our car up, it was gone 16:00, and we hit the Leeds ring road traffic. An hour to get to the A1. However you look at it,the road connections are abysmal.
Next time I'm using BHX.
Drop down Pool Bank on to the A659 Tadcaster road, A1 in 30 mins. I wouldn't drive round Leeds Ring Road at any time.
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Old 27th May 2017, 20:27
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GdLSF... that's the route I use, the pain is around Harewood House area. The Leeds ring road I haven't touched since my first run that way... all those roundabouts. Those were my main points about LBA.
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Old 27th May 2017, 20:51
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Positioning in from my base to operate from LBA was a pain, the roads are just not up to the job, even coming in from the hotel was fraught with danger of delays.
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