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Old 15th Nov 2016, 23:30
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LA It shows how much you don`t know because many houses around Manchester were bought
but mainly when they came up for sale and then were rented out until the land was required which
works well in two ways 1) they lay out less money rather than CP and 2) they then recoup it by
renting out for a number of years and as far as I am aware most airport do the same
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Old 16th Nov 2016, 09:20
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The reason the railway station is busy is because Leeds only has one main station. Nothing to do with some magical population number.
LA you have been asked many times and never given an answer as to how you will shut down Leeds and pay for Leeds East. How are you going to get the airlines to move there.
Your one man show is so full of flaws and unrealistic.
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 10:54
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See Eurowings have applied for 3x weekly Munich slots (afternoon) to start a service to Leeds/Bradford at the recent world slot conference which was held earlier this month in Atlanta.
Let's hope the slots applied for are not in disgize for another route.

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Old 30th Nov 2016, 00:08
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The reason the railway station is busy is because Leeds only has one main station. Nothing to do with some magical population number.
LA you have been asked many times and never given an answer as to how you will shut down Leeds and pay for Leeds East. How are you going to get the airlines to move there.
Your one man show is so full of flaws and unrealistic.
Yes, it's the same tedious and unrealistic nonsense that we hear from those who bang on about Boris Island.
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Old 30th Nov 2016, 07:22
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Eurowings

Services from MUC and FRA are generally served by Lufthansa mainline, with the smaller non-hub German cities being served by Eurowings or Germanwings. That is how it works to MAN.
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Old 30th Nov 2016, 07:50
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...but not how it looks like it's going to work on Munich services to Leeds, Liverpool and Glasgow judging by the slots for which Eurowings applied for next summer!
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Old 30th Nov 2016, 08:19
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Obviously tourist market as not suitable for the business community
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Old 6th Dec 2016, 18:31
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Here we going again.....Trains to LBA !!!! Is it the forth or fifth time in modern history this has been promised?...Thoughts ?

Leeds Bradford Airport railway station one of three planned - BBC News
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Old 7th Dec 2016, 17:12
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Thoughts

1. This will please Leeds Approach. Not.

2. It's doubtful if this will be feasible without the Link Road option one. The local roads are not good.

3. The level of the railway just before the tunnel is probably 30 metres below the level of the surrounding fields. It will be an expensive job in a constricted site. Getting your bags up some big ramps will be interesting.

4. I'm not sure what the zoning is that side of the airport but possibly green belt land.

5. I wonder what proportion of LBA traffic the model predicts will use train and bus. The park and ride aspect could be useful though.

Overall--- by no means a done deal. I wonder what Greg Mulholland and Stuart Andrew think.

So--- by no means certain.
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Old 7th Dec 2016, 20:14
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When will our planners and politicians stop being so thick. What is the point of putting it a mile from the airport. That is neither one nor the other. Places like Schipol and CDG have train stations directly below the airport. Honestly, I despair.
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Old 7th Dec 2016, 20:35
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Thoughts? Well, the immediate one is that it is not actually an "airport" station as such. It's a Parkway type station with a Park and Ride facility. Secondly, nothing has been "promised"; it's just a proposal. Thirdly, it's not fully funded. Fourthly, even if approved by the council, it needs to be sent to the Dept of Transport for further scrutiny.

Originally Posted by jamesgrainge View Post
When will our planners and politicians stop being so thick. What is the point of putting it a mile from the airport. That is neither one nor the other. Places like Schipol and CDG have train stations directly below the airport. Honestly, I despair.
It's a mile from the airport, because that's where the existing railway line is. To build a spur to the airport itself would be hugely expensive. With the greatest of respect, Schiphol and CDG are in a very different league to LBA.
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 00:12
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Here we going again.....Trains to LBA !!!! Is it the forth or fifth time in modern history this has been promised?...Thoughts ?

Leeds Bradford Airport railway station one of three planned - BBC News

When will our planners and politicians stop being so thick. What is the point of putting it a mile from the airport. That is neither one nor the other. Places like Schipol and CDG have train stations directly below the airport. Honestly, I despair.
back in 1966, there was a plan to have a railway from Heathrow to Feltham, on the main line south of the airport. Guess what, it still hasn't been built.


It's a mile from the airport, because that's where the existing railway line is. To build a spur to the airport itself would be hugely expensive. With the greatest of respect, Schiphol and CDG are in a very different league to LBA.
Realistically, the station does have to be on the airport, not near the airport, if not the journey will be no quicker than the existing bus service. If its too expensive, it won't happen.
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 07:55
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Luton seems to do just fine with a parkway station at the bottom of the hill, which would otherwise require an enormous feat of civil engineering to put a rail link directly into the terminal. Similarities with Leeds at every level, really.
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 09:49
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Originally Posted by Andy_S View Post
Thoughts? Well, the immediate one is that it is not actually an "airport" station as such. It's a Parkway type station with a Park and Ride facility. Secondly, nothing has been "promised"; it's just a proposal. Thirdly, it's not fully funded. Fourthly, even if approved by the council, it needs to be sent to the Dept of Transport for further scrutiny.



It's a mile from the airport, because that's where the existing railway line is. To build a spur to the airport itself would be hugely expensive. With the greatest of respect, Schiphol and CDG are in a very different league to LBA.
It's irrelevant the league, they were just two airports off the top of my head. The basic point, if you have to get a bus to the station then a train from somewhere, then a change to another train, then a bus to the airport, all the while managing two kids and 6 suitcases, you will just take the car to whatever airport is cheaper and pay the parking. Therefore making the cost of the initial station more expensive when it doesn't get used. At least if you get a train directly to the terminal and walk to check in it becomes somewhat more convenient.
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 10:56
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Yes I'd predict train and bus will be lucky to achieve a 1 per cent market share of LBA travellers. At that type of airport the vast majority are going to use car or taxi anyway and another public transport option doesn't figure. It might do better with employees at and around the airport. There will be a small market to/from Leeds city centre for whom train can avoid the congestion and unreliability of the A65 and A660. As said above it's a parkway station with a bus to the airport and will stand or fall on that basis.

In my view there is a big difference between the arrangements at Luton and Stansted in perception terms. Two lots of waiting time at Luton, bags to lug. Not that great really.
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 11:17
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It is also to be a Park and Ride, something Edinburgh has already. A new link road from the A65 to the A658 is also in the plans which will make it easier to drive to the airport but also a P&R if coming from Harrogate. Access to LBA has been an issue for years as providing a motorway is not feasible so the proposals will address this, especially as the airport expects to see traffic double in 10-12 years. By which time a tram/train into the airport might be built.
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 19:08
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I don't get this obsession with a railway station having to be built at the airport. As has been mentioned already, EMA, LPL, LTN, BRS, GLA, EDI, etc, all seem to manage quite nicely with a Parkway concept. Even LGW from railway to the North Terminal is a bit of a hike. There is no way the finances will be available to build a line and a station to the airport, so a station nearby with frequent bus connections is the only solution for LBA.
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Old 9th Dec 2016, 07:04
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Originally Posted by Big Tudor View Post
I don't get this obsession with a railway station having to be built at the airport. As has been mentioned already, EMA, LPL, LTN, BRS, GLA, EDI, etc, all seem to manage quite nicely with a Parkway concept. Even LGW from railway to the North Terminal is a bit of a hike. There is no way the finances will be available to build a line and a station to the airport, so a station nearby with frequent bus connections is the only solution for LBA.
Its not an obsession. Its a simple theory, if you go to the door more people will be inclined to use it. If you stop a mile away, less people will be inclined to use it. The idea is to increase passenger numbers, not simply accommodate the current usage better. In this day and age, an investment has to be able to pay for itself. A decade ago/20/30 money was flowing into public services, now not so much.
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Old 9th Dec 2016, 12:30
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I don't get this obsession with a railway station having to be built at the airport. As has been mentioned already, EMA, LPL, LTN, BRS, GLA, EDI, etc, all seem to manage quite nicely with a Parkway concept.
When I lived in both the east and west midlands BHX became my, very much so, preferred airport of travel because of the Birmingham International train station which, I hasten to add, isn't actually at the airport

I would park my car for free at a train station one stop down the line and take the train in/out of the airport ... it worked well.
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Old 9th Dec 2016, 14:00
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Originally Posted by Flightrider View Post
Luton seems to do just fine with a parkway station at the bottom of the hill, which would otherwise require an enormous feat of civil engineering to put a rail link directly into the terminal. Similarities with Leeds at every level, really.
In actual fact, planning is already under way for a light rail link between Luton Parkway and a station at LTN itself. The difference is that LTN already has a passenger throughput several times greater than LBA. That and the fact the nearby rail line is the Midland Main Line with connections to the Midlands, London and South East England makes the project economics far more attractive.
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