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Old 14th Feb 2015, 07:27
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Most of Jet2 aircraft parked at Manchester on a winter wednesday also
as there is very little demand at this time of year and as they own most of the aircraft they do not need to fly the high hours a leased aircraft does,
by weekend most aircraft will be flying of to ski resorts.

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Old 14th Feb 2015, 11:40
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Standard for a February Wednesday in many places!!


At STN the other Wednesday only 1 EZY jet aircraft departed during the morning. The other 7 remained parked up until after lunch(& some all day.)


Airlines will fly if they can cover their direct operating costs but little point doing so if you can't & Wednesday in winter is a slow time in this business.
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Surface Access

Ok so not big news, but local paper reporting that the airport bus routes are going to have some changes from early March. In particular the Leeds City Centre (757) service will have some frequency increases including an hourly all-night service.
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Monarch - LBA

Had understood that MON were cutting back at LBA but this article seems to suggest otherwise ... https://bdaily.co.uk/hospitality/20-...ire-expansion/
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Prices will need to be cut-throat on Alicante! to compete with the opposition.
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Drop off fee increases

Just seen this...

BBC News - Anger over rise in Leeds Bradford Airport drop-off fee

Seems a wapping increase tbh. I`m sure this is bound to provoke some controversy
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Parking fees

Fair enough the terminal front drop-off has increased in price, but we do have a free one hour, YES FREE parking area 150m from the terminal.
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LBA is the only airport I know of that implement a charge (£1 per pax) to smoke outside, airside. Does any other airport charge in the UK? Is this charge fair when pax can smoke for free at MAN T1?

Where is the free parking 150 metres away, at the bottom? Is it signposted?

Have the local council/airport managed to get a road sign yet up on the main road directing traffic flow into the airport for those who are ignorant to its whereabouts? It was missing for quite some time and I forgot to check last month.
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Old 14th Mar 2015, 23:36
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Leeds Approach …

If you think that there should only be one airport in Yorkshire, then I actually think DSA should be the primary airport for Yorkshire, it's got a 3,000m runway, a new motorway spur which opens in less than a year meaning direct uncontested access to the UK's main motorway, a train track that runs less then 1.5 miles from the airport that just needs a platform, and a major national rail gateway 3 miles away (Doncaster is a major junction and on the London - Scotland line). It's not on a hill, doesn't suffer crosswinds, is rarely fogged out, has a ton of room for expansion and a CAT III ILS.

The downside for DSA is that Leeds has a stronger economy than sheffield, and that is what supports a lot of the business traffic, but according to Google, DSA is only 55 mins away by road and a relatively congestion free journey (Can take longer to get to LBA sometimes) then I don't see that as a major problem … and when the M18 link road opens that will shave 15-20 mins off the journey time meaning it is likely just as quick ...

The only reason it is not the primary airport is that Leeds was open before hand, but as much as you won't like this Leeds Approach, LBA is in the wrong place and a nightmare airport …

I agree with all of that. Yeadon is far from ideal but it has over 2 million people right on its doorstep. Despite all the benefits that DSA has it will never be able to shut Yeadon (because of its location) and therefore its catchment will always be a small enclave between EMA and LBA and to some extent HUY. The only viable answer is to replace both airports with an airport that has DSA's aviation characteristics and yet is much closer and more accessible to the thriving Leeds City region as well as all other parts of Yorkshire.
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Yes I agree but as you've more chance of hell freezing over than convincing out anti aviation politicians to build another airport, DSA is the next best alternative!

But it's all fantasy, in reality I think both will eventually do well and find their niche ... Leeds may well be the commuter hub and DSA will become the leisure hub. I'm sure therell be some overlap between them however!
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The only viable answer is to replace both airports with an airport that has DSA's aviation characteristics and yet is much closer and more accessible to the thriving Leeds City region as well as all other parts of Yorkshire.
You can't "replace" Yeadon and Finningley, the owners probably would not agree. So Yorkshire airport #3 would be competing with them.

Not going to happen. It's as futile an argument as the Boris Island nonsense.



Yes I agree but as you've more chance of hell freezing over than convincing out anti aviation politicians to build another airport, DSA is the next best alternative!
Politicians don't build/extend airports, they just put obstacles in front of those who want to.
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but politicians do hold the power to grant planning applications. If DSA had been built 5 years earlier than it was as was the plan and had the manchester politicians not been so protectionist over MAN then it would be a different story today ...
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[QUOTE=Fairdealfrank;8903192]You can't "replace" Yeadon and Finningley, the owners probably would not agree. So Yorkshire airport #3 would be competing with them.

Not going to happen. It's as futile an argument as the Boris Island nonsense.


I don't think finningley owners would agree to be replaced (just as MME are digging their heels in). I think Yeadon owners are starting to realise what the previous owners (group of local councils[including Leeds City Council]) came to understand about the airport when they owned it. I do not know the full in and outs of the political situation but realise that LBA sits within Leeds City Council jurisdiction. If you google 'calls for new Leeds airport' then you begin to see the possibility of how 3 becomes 2 and subsequently 2 becomes 1. Btw this situation is as different to Boris Island as you can get. Yorkshire has never had an airport that properly represents it whereas London most certainly has. Ok you're still not buying it. I agree with you about politicians though ideally they should keep right out of anything to do with aviation.
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but politicians do hold the power to grant planning applications. If DSA had been built 5 years earlier than it was as was the plan and had the manchester politicians not been so protectionist over MAN then it would be a different story today ...
Where this conspiracy come from? Was it not MAN that initially looked into developing DSA but found it to be unviable? Hence buying into HUY and Peel purchasing the site? I would think that any proposed new airport would need a public enquiry, however it seems that this far the wrong decision may have been made..

LBA is not ideally located, but the M62 corridor only generates a finite number of passengers, and MAN is well located to consolidate all long haul services to the benefit of the North. The rest will support their own regional airports based on regional demand, and Leeds has enough of that to suit infra European services..
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Originally Posted by pug

LBA is not ideally located, but the M62 corridor only generates a finite number of passengers, and MAN is well located to consolidate all long haul services to the benefit of the North. The rest will support their own regional airports based on regional demand, and Leeds has enough of that to suit infra European services..
It really is not about the M62 corridor it is about the entirety of Yorkshire and the Humber and its 5.4 million inhabitants. Have a 'fit for purpose' airport that is the number one choice because of geographic location and ease of accessibility for those people and you will have an airport that moves 10+ million passengers. Have LBA and DSA fighting against each other as well as fighting against MAN and EMA and the combined total of DSA/LBA will only very gradually struggle upwards to around 5 million. It is called divide and rule - Yorkshire being divided up in aviation terms will only aid competing region airports. Yorkshire will benefit much more by having 1 successful airport rather than 2 strugglers.

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Oh man, here comes Church Fenton stuff again!
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Old 18th Mar 2015, 21:25
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QUOTE=Fairdealfrank;8903192]You can't "replace" Yeadon and Finningley, the owners probably would not agree. So Yorkshire airport #3 would be competing with them.

Not going to happen. It's as futile an argument as the Boris Island nonsense.


I don't think finningley owners would agree to be replaced (just as MME are digging their heels in). I think Yeadon owners are starting to realise what the previous owners (group of local councils[including Leeds City Council]) came to understand about the airport when they owned it. I do not know the full in and outs of the political situation but realise that LBA sits within Leeds City Council jurisdiction. If you google 'calls for new Leeds airport' then you begin to see the possibility of how 3 becomes 2 and subsequently 2 becomes 1. Btw this situation is as different to Boris Island as you can get. Yorkshire has never had an airport that properly represents it whereas London most certainly has. Ok you're still not buying it. I agree with you about politicians though ideally they should keep right out of anything to do with aviation.
It (Church Fenton) is exactly the same as Boris Island in the sense that (1) it is unviable because it cannot survive alongside existing airports; (2) a business case cannot be made as existing airports cannot be forced to close; (3) not enough demand for an additional airport; (4) pax and carriers want to be elsewhere (LBA); (5) it will never be built and may be seen as a vanity project.

"Yorkshire has never had an airport that properly represents it" because airports usually associate themselves with cities or towns, not counties.
Several airports in the south east of England prefix their names with "London-". Only one of the six official IATA London airports is fairly central (LCY), the others are miles out of town.

Alternatively, politicians could be supportive of aviation. Oh look, another flock of pigs just flew overhead.
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I agree entirely. The currency of international travel is the city. Regions/counties or whatever you wish to call them are meaningless outside their own country. Just look at how many atlas pages show 'Yorkshire', 'Tuscany', 'Lower Saxony' etc.


The argument for a 'Yorkshire' airport also relies on an assumption that residents of the region will automatically flow to an airport located in the centre. I would argue this is flawed: those in the north will still consider Newcastle, those in the west Manchester and those in the south East Midlands, just as they do now.
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Frank. Did you actually read my post?-it will help you with your points. Leeds east airport will be a fit for purpose number 1 airport of choice for the whole of Yorkshire and the Humber (bigger population than Norway) when fully developed. Meadowhall 15 min. Doncaster 15 min. Leeds 10 min. Hull 30 min. etc It will be a Yorkshire airport as it will be the quickest, easiest and most accessible airport for all but the very south of sheffield. ECML HS2 HS3 should be a big enough clue for you combined with recent developments. Night.
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Frank. Did you actually read my post?
Read all of them with interest, LEEDS APPROACH, would be unable to comment otherwise. Just don't agree, there will be no "Leeds East" at Church Fenton, or elsewhere.

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(post #2470 just above) made a very good point that we both missed.

Meadowhall 15 min. Doncaster 15 min. Leeds 10 min. Hull 30 min. etc
These are travelling times to/from where? "Leeds East"? By helicopter?

ECML HS2 HS3 should be a big enough clue for you combined with recent developments.
Two out of three don't exist, probably never will, and in the unlikely event that they are ever built, Leeds is the northern end of one and the eastern end of the other.

Which particular "recent developments"?
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