UK Airline to have disappeared....07/08
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UK Airline to have disappeared....07/08
Just a general discussion on UK airlines which have disappeared from our skies during the past 12 months, the why's, will we miss them or was the business just not up to scratch??
GB Airways - did BA make a mistake in selling franchise, certainly they had a good route network and a healthy reputation.
UKIA - route wise, potentially quite lucrative, management too dodgy?
Flyjet - IMHO there is room for a small independant charter carrier, however did their aircraft let them down, certainly in NCL flyjet was associated with delays, but rumours had it they did actually make a profit!
Silverjet - very recent, is the industry just not ready for this type of carrier?
Air Wales - were they in the past year?
Discussion open...................................
GB Airways - did BA make a mistake in selling franchise, certainly they had a good route network and a healthy reputation.
UKIA - route wise, potentially quite lucrative, management too dodgy?
Flyjet - IMHO there is room for a small independant charter carrier, however did their aircraft let them down, certainly in NCL flyjet was associated with delays, but rumours had it they did actually make a profit!
Silverjet - very recent, is the industry just not ready for this type of carrier?
Air Wales - were they in the past year?
Discussion open...................................
I understand that GB airways was sold by Bland and not BA. They were a BA franchisee. As with Loganair, BA have decided against the franchise model (for now, at least).
Flyjet was actually purchased by Silverjet, and later SJ closed the charter (FJE) operation.
UKIA was never going to work - wrong management, wrong routes, business model fundamentally flawed.
Euromanx also failed.
Flyjet was actually purchased by Silverjet, and later SJ closed the charter (FJE) operation.
UKIA was never going to work - wrong management, wrong routes, business model fundamentally flawed.
Euromanx also failed.
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With their breakeven fuel costs as high as they claim, I suspect Flybe are likely to be "last man standing" if the costs keep on rising. JET2 and BMI baby are the most likely candidate though.
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Air Wales
Is Air Wales really gone, I mean it is not flying Scheduled services in its own right but it is doing work for other airlines?
I say an ATR 42 in full Air Wales at Edinburgh 2 weeks ago, it was taking off ahead of my flight.
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I say an ATR 42 in full Air Wales at Edinburgh 2 weeks ago, it was taking off ahead of my flight.
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Flybe
the above can all run their aircraft on the sniff of a tanker drivers glove and Flybe are 15% owned by BA so they ain't going anywhere.
bmibaby are owned by bmi who are part owned by luffty & SAS and short of just shutting up shop and walking away i don't see anything happening to baby anytime soon.
Jet2 publish their 2007 accounts in a couple of days so that will put to rest either the "there about to go under mongers" or the "Jet2 are making buckets loads of money cos they own the kit crew?"
At least with Jet2 you get a detailed breakdown of what they are doing because they are a PLC and are using shareholder funds (other people money if you like) where as with bmi its Sir Michael's cash in the main to do with as he see fit.
Let see what this week brings, hopefully this time next year all the player will still be in play and more importantly for most still employing lots of crews!! lol
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Flybe
the above can all run their aircraft on the sniff of a tanker drivers glove and Flybe are 15% owned by BA so they ain't going anywhere.
bmibaby are owned by bmi who are part owned by luffty & SAS and short of just shutting up shop and walking away i don't see anything happening to baby anytime soon.
Jet2 publish their 2007 accounts in a couple of days so that will put to rest either the "there about to go under mongers" or the "Jet2 are making buckets loads of money cos they own the kit crew?"
At least with Jet2 you get a detailed breakdown of what they are doing because they are a PLC and are using shareholder funds (other people money if you like) where as with bmi its Sir Michael's cash in the main to do with as he see fit.
Let see what this week brings, hopefully this time next year all the player will still be in play and more importantly for most still employing lots of crews!! lol
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For the last time. Jet2 have hedged fuel until WINTER 09.
Why would the current increase in fuel affect them so much as to make them go under. Plus the lucrative mail contract, plus the 20 or so large shiny assets owned by the company which alone would sell for much more than the company is currently worth.
Why would the current increase in fuel affect them so much as to make them go under. Plus the lucrative mail contract, plus the 20 or so large shiny assets owned by the company which alone would sell for much more than the company is currently worth.
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Air Wales
Last Air Wales flight was April 2006. According to Jethros two aircraft are still around, G-CDFF (Cardiff) still active and G-SSEA (Swansea) engineless in Guernsey.
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Last Air Wales flight was April 2006. According to Jethros two aircraft are still around, G-CDFF (Cardiff) still active and G-SSEA (Swansea) engineless in Guernsey.
Last Air Wales flight was April 2006. According to Jethros two aircraft are still around, G-CDFF (Cardiff) still active and G-SSEA (Swansea) engineless in Guernsey.
G-SSEA has been engineless for a while now, i wonder when the engines will be replaced on the aircraft or are they using the aircraft as spares?