Ryanair - 'Laying Off' 600!!
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This forum is full of alot of hot air. 600 pilots come on do you think they would be still be training so many more pilots and getting so many more a/c if they were bout to lay off more pilots? The facts are everyone is going to cut back and RY, easyjet will move in on other airlines routes and continue to grow. This is sep 11th happening all over again...
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This forum is full of alot of hot air. 600 pilots come on do you think they would be still be training so many more pilots and getting so many more a/c if they were bout to lay off more pilots?
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600 pilots = about 60 aircraft! They curently have 120. So that means they are going to halve their fleet, I can't see that happening. Maybe 600 staff over the whole company, but I seriously doubt that they will lay off that many pilots.
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Thank you Rubik.
I note that Ryanair is now diverified into:
Paying electricity and gas bills.
Car Insurance
Life Insurance
Home insurance
Taxi service (transfers)
Credit cards
Online Games
An online Casino
It's other diversified activities appear airline and holiday related.
These diversified activities all eventually draw management attention away from Ryaniars core business - which is carrying their customers to where they want to go.
All I can say is that if or when you do go under, it's going to be quite spectacular.
I note that Ryanair is now diverified into:
Paying electricity and gas bills.
Car Insurance
Life Insurance
Home insurance
Taxi service (transfers)
Credit cards
Online Games
An online Casino
It's other diversified activities appear airline and holiday related.
These diversified activities all eventually draw management attention away from Ryaniars core business - which is carrying their customers to where they want to go.
All I can say is that if or when you do go under, it's going to be quite spectacular.
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Ryanair pays schedule block hours (around 1000hrs) not actual flown hours .
What Ryanair advertises and what they actually pays STANDARD captains differs a lot, everybody knows that by now.(its more like 110000 €)
And finally; after having been off sick you will fly max hours when you return to work and still deliver 900 hrs.
Ryanair pays schedule block hours (around 1000hrs) not actual flown hours .
What Ryanair advertises and what they actually pays STANDARD captains differs a lot, everybody knows that by now.(its more like 110000 €)
And finally; after having been off sick you will fly max hours when you return to work and still deliver 900 hrs.
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These diversified activities all eventually draw management attention away from Ryaniars core business - which is carrying their customers to where they want to go.
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BRK cheaper than perm staff
Although this whole thread is complete nonsense a point of fact. It doesn’t matter who is cheaper (contractor or permi). If you have one contractor and one permi for one job you cant make the permi redundant. You can stop using the services of the contractor though. The point is you can only make a job redundant not a person. If there is a job/position you can’t make an employee redundant and then give that job to a contractor.
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Essexboy is on the money. If you make someone redundant from a job, they have to be offered it back again before you can employ someone else. Therefore how could you lay anyone off with 100+ aircraft still coming. That said, the BRK guys can be told 'sorry chaps, not needed til April see you then and don't do any non RYR flying in the meantime cos we want your 900 hrs'.
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Circa 40 aircraft coming this year BUT many been sold on. Net fleet increase is minimal.
Fact: unpaid leave being offered to permanent employees.
Fact: contractors can (and will) be given less flying. Nothing illegal with this, nobody redundant. The contractors are about to reap the whirlwind.
It all looked good when they were getting paid lots and evading tax. Less rosy when the tax man starts taking interest and the income stops.
Fact: unpaid leave being offered to permanent employees.
Fact: contractors can (and will) be given less flying. Nothing illegal with this, nobody redundant. The contractors are about to reap the whirlwind.
It all looked good when they were getting paid lots and evading tax. Less rosy when the tax man starts taking interest and the income stops.
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Originally Posted by essexboy
If there is a job/position you can’t make an employee redundant and then give that job to a contractor.
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I can understand the cadets, but why would anyone ever choose to work for a company and management like O'Learys Ryanair and his sidekicks?
Convenience.. base close to home, can see that, but with clauses in your contracts as above....
Convenience.. base close to home, can see that, but with clauses in your contracts as above....
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It is a general principle of Uk employment legislation that an employer may temporarily lay you off without actually making you redundant. It's intention was to allow for employers that may have a seasonal peak demand for their services followed by a slow down. An example would be seasonal gift or produce suppliers....Turkey farmers!!!
There is a difference between this and actual redundancy.
Now in doing so they have to pay you your basic salary unless its written into any agreement that there is a reduced pay. Obviously no sector pay..
There is a difference between this and actual redundancy.
Now in doing so they have to pay you your basic salary unless its written into any agreement that there is a reduced pay. Obviously no sector pay..
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The threat of laying off 600-All part of the masterplan.
It has been discussed to death and cadets are cheap to run and established contractors are not.
It has all been said but with quite an easy conversion from ng to 777 and going over the pond on the horizon as discussed so well recently by MOL. Yet still more shock tactics to gain custom, boring! 75 to old and 76 hard to get hold of he will continue to cut back at ryr then bring along the new long haul operation and give the people put in an awkward position at ryr the opportunity to fly trans -atlantic for yet more down-graded terms and conditions. They will not want to accept but will have to as they have mortgages, families etc and thus the cycle will begin again.
I have been there I did enjoy it to some extent but do hope all my friends in the company are ok and not shafted.
The base issue well divide and conquer need I say more, as old as the hills.
The leave issue well a joke as you would expect the longterm future ok but until the old guard accept that it was them constantly laying down to MOL that has lead to some percentage of this issue how can things move on.
All airlines will try to follow the MOL model for employee treatment but until someone turns around and says no it will continue over and over until pilots once paid as a professional people will be working for the minimum wage.
It has been discussed to death and cadets are cheap to run and established contractors are not.
It has all been said but with quite an easy conversion from ng to 777 and going over the pond on the horizon as discussed so well recently by MOL. Yet still more shock tactics to gain custom, boring! 75 to old and 76 hard to get hold of he will continue to cut back at ryr then bring along the new long haul operation and give the people put in an awkward position at ryr the opportunity to fly trans -atlantic for yet more down-graded terms and conditions. They will not want to accept but will have to as they have mortgages, families etc and thus the cycle will begin again.
I have been there I did enjoy it to some extent but do hope all my friends in the company are ok and not shafted.
The base issue well divide and conquer need I say more, as old as the hills.
The leave issue well a joke as you would expect the longterm future ok but until the old guard accept that it was them constantly laying down to MOL that has lead to some percentage of this issue how can things move on.
All airlines will try to follow the MOL model for employee treatment but until someone turns around and says no it will continue over and over until pilots once paid as a professional people will be working for the minimum wage.
I have followed this thread with interest but from another perspective. I am about to retire after over 40 years in aviation. Made no money but had a great time, military and then civvie , F/O, Captain, trainer, TRE, the usual pogression. Never did lo-co either, luckily.
I now see the low cost model well entrenched in our society and wonder how trainee frozen ATPL's from Oxford and other places are going to face 40 years of 900 hours a year short haul high density flying in a European environment. As I see it very little opportunity will present itself to the majority to break free into long haul or other flying even if oil doesn't go to $200 a barrel. Can they stand it? Time will tell. Is there another model? I think not.
MOL and others like him will continue to exploit willing pilots just as deviously as he cons passengers because of the glamorous image of the job. Officialdom will keep on intruding into the flight deck, to say nothing of the brain dead jobsworths who make our lives diffcult at security.
I'm not wishing my life away but I'm not sure I'd go into aviation now if I were 40 years younger. Must go, first tee beckons!!
I now see the low cost model well entrenched in our society and wonder how trainee frozen ATPL's from Oxford and other places are going to face 40 years of 900 hours a year short haul high density flying in a European environment. As I see it very little opportunity will present itself to the majority to break free into long haul or other flying even if oil doesn't go to $200 a barrel. Can they stand it? Time will tell. Is there another model? I think not.
MOL and others like him will continue to exploit willing pilots just as deviously as he cons passengers because of the glamorous image of the job. Officialdom will keep on intruding into the flight deck, to say nothing of the brain dead jobsworths who make our lives diffcult at security.
I'm not wishing my life away but I'm not sure I'd go into aviation now if I were 40 years younger. Must go, first tee beckons!!
