Ryanair - 'Laying Off' 600!!
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Monsieur Trappist, the beer maker,
Tip top dear boy. Clusters of immaculately clad pilots lurking in the cafes, gadget stores and bookstores of terminals throughout Europe, union cards at the ready.
Callow Second Officers ordered to take the point, exposing themselves to untold dangers, their inexperience and naivety worn like a badge of courage, whilst their seniors sit in ambush waiting for the vicious, licentious soldiery that are the Ryanair crews to shamble past, weighed down by cheap gas station ham and cheese baguettes slowed down by heavy wallets bulging with sector pay.
The carnage hardly bears thinking about: just how much damage can a uniform cap do?
But a small black Le Creuset saucepan secreted in a briefcase??????
Tip top dear boy. Clusters of immaculately clad pilots lurking in the cafes, gadget stores and bookstores of terminals throughout Europe, union cards at the ready.
Callow Second Officers ordered to take the point, exposing themselves to untold dangers, their inexperience and naivety worn like a badge of courage, whilst their seniors sit in ambush waiting for the vicious, licentious soldiery that are the Ryanair crews to shamble past, weighed down by cheap gas station ham and cheese baguettes slowed down by heavy wallets bulging with sector pay.
The carnage hardly bears thinking about: just how much damage can a uniform cap do?
But a small black Le Creuset saucepan secreted in a briefcase??????
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Frankly it comes down to snobbery: you think air travel should be the preserve of the rich and that it should be shrouded in some glamourous fog. As the pilot, you should be idolised for doing such a skilled yet dangerous job and paid millions; women should throw themselves at your shiny black Oxfords as you parade through the terminal in your immaculate gold ringed uniform, scrambled egg adorning the peak of your company hat, on the way to your 5 star hotel, accompanied by a a swathe of stunning cabin crew.
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Eng123:
It came directly from Leo Hairy Camel himself. Spoken in one of his financial reports it said:
Source: http://www.ryanair.com/site/about/in...4_2008_doc.pdf
Their finances suggest that airport charges are much higher than staff costs so any major increase at their main hubs will be a huge concern for the bean counters.
Where has this cr@p about 20 aircraft currently being stored come from? We rarely have a single aircraft spare, let alone 20!! Sure, the older airframes are being disposed of but this is bringing millions into the company. Rumour has it that the second hand value of these aircraft virtually matches the cost that was paid to Boeing in the first place.
Unit costs rose by 2% reflecting the unjustified doubling of airport charges by the BAA
Stansted monopoly, higher charges at the Dublin Airport monopoly and a 6% increase in
average sector length. Cost increases over the winter were limited by our decision to
ground 7 aircraft at Stansted and we will extend this program next Winter by grounding up
to 20 aircraft ( approx. 10% of our fleet), mainly at Stansted and Dublin where high airport
charges make it more profitable to ground aircraft rather than fly them through the
Winter.
Stansted monopoly, higher charges at the Dublin Airport monopoly and a 6% increase in
average sector length. Cost increases over the winter were limited by our decision to
ground 7 aircraft at Stansted and we will extend this program next Winter by grounding up
to 20 aircraft ( approx. 10% of our fleet), mainly at Stansted and Dublin where high airport
charges make it more profitable to ground aircraft rather than fly them through the
Winter.
Their finances suggest that airport charges are much higher than staff costs so any major increase at their main hubs will be a huge concern for the bean counters.
Frankly it comes down to snobbery: you think air travel should be the preserve of the rich and that it should be shrouded in some glamourous fog. As the pilot, you should be idolised for doing such a skilled yet dangerous job and paid millions; women should throw themselves at your shiny black Oxfords as you parade through the terminal in your immaculate gold ringed uniform, scrambled egg adorning the peak of your company hat, on the way to your 5 star hotel, accompanied by a a swathe of stunning cabin crew.
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OK. Read it now.
I remember that being said last winter. At that time, whilst there was certainly more aircraft 'spare' than with the summer schedule, there certainly wasn't a systematic storing of 7 aircraft. The previous posts said that 20 aircraft would be 'parked up' this winter, giving the impresion that 20 particular aircraft would be put into long term storage. I am sure that will not happen.
I remember that being said last winter. At that time, whilst there was certainly more aircraft 'spare' than with the summer schedule, there certainly wasn't a systematic storing of 7 aircraft. The previous posts said that 20 aircraft would be 'parked up' this winter, giving the impresion that 20 particular aircraft would be put into long term storage. I am sure that will not happen.
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Confused
So, there is less business over winter; nothing new in that; and rather than fly all the fleet at a reduced utilisation rate it is better flying part of it at a high utilisation rate. Again, there is nothing new in this thinking; it's a common practice across the industry. So what is all the fuss about? Have I missed something?
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I can't believe this thread is still going strong.
Incidentally, don't forget BA announced plans a couple or so weeks ago to ground some of their less efficient aircraft this winter.
Incidentally, don't forget BA announced plans a couple or so weeks ago to ground some of their less efficient aircraft this winter.
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The Ryanair business model was never, ever going to be sustainable, as I've said on numerous occasions.
For the record, that model is:
1. Sell product below cost of production.
2. Drive competitors out of business.
3. Profit!
For the record, that model is:
1. Sell product below cost of production.
2. Drive competitors out of business.
3. Profit!
The Ryanair business model was never, ever going to be sustainable, as I've said on numerous occasions.
For the record, that model is:
1. Sell product below cost of production.
For the record, that model is:
1. Sell product below cost of production.
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A common fallacy believed by many of Ryanair. There are a number of seats sold at headline grabbing fares at below cost per flight - but there are many more seats sold at above cost on the same flight!
Indeed, and FR's average one-way fare is around €40.
Don't forget that numerous ancillary revenue sources (surcharges, if you prefer) complement ticket revenue; indeed, James Fremantle, of the AUC, argues: 'Airlines are simply putting up their prices with these surcharges.'* Whatever, ancillary revenue is of fundamental importance to FR, without which it would be considerably less profitable.
* http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/consume...n_page_id=1093
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Get real
I dont think so.
Started by someone who feels their job is not looking so sceure I bet.
Like em or not, mark my words, most of you will have to consider applying for them over next 5 yrs or so, maybe sooner (or go hungry!).
I know for a fact this is not true. The opposite actually.
Sorry to disapoint.
Started by someone who feels their job is not looking so sceure I bet.
Like em or not, mark my words, most of you will have to consider applying for them over next 5 yrs or so, maybe sooner (or go hungry!).
I know for a fact this is not true. The opposite actually.
Sorry to disapoint.
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Having worked for Ryanair, I certainly have a personal opinion about the airline and is not positive.
In one word I would describe it as disgraceful.
The main problem for Ryanair is that it doesn't have the margin to reduce their cost anymore.
Any airline in the world could operate in the way Ryanair does if needed in order to survive, but what can Ryanair do to survive?
Also the average Ryanair worker does not care about the airline and when tOugh times come everyone will run away as fast as they can, making it probably the quickest disappearance of an airline such a size.
In my opinion Ryanair brought the low fares for the public to enjoy but for the airline employees it hasn't brought anything else apart from misery.
I understand that some of you will not agree with me, and I respect your opinion.
In one word I would describe it as disgraceful.
The main problem for Ryanair is that it doesn't have the margin to reduce their cost anymore.
Any airline in the world could operate in the way Ryanair does if needed in order to survive, but what can Ryanair do to survive?
Also the average Ryanair worker does not care about the airline and when tOugh times come everyone will run away as fast as they can, making it probably the quickest disappearance of an airline such a size.
In my opinion Ryanair brought the low fares for the public to enjoy but for the airline employees it hasn't brought anything else apart from misery.
I understand that some of you will not agree with me, and I respect your opinion.
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Hiring? or Firing?
nmpilot. It does not mean anything. Back in the 80s I was given an airline ticket by a major US bank to fly to a major US city, dined and told I was hired and to report to HR in the morning. Woke up in my hotel room (paid for by the bank), turned on the TV only to hear the bank had gone "belly up". I checked out and jumped on the first flight before they could seize my return ticket or get me to pay the hotel bill. Business is business and frequently the masses know nothing until it is all over.
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But, between now and 2012 Ryanair have another 100 or so B738's arriving and under their model they need 6.7 crews per aircraft to keep them running (Eddie Wilson's figures) and shedding 600 crew just does not add up.
They are canny business operators and will not hesitate to shrink the business to maintain greater profitability.
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How "Canny"
Need one be? Amidst the Bankos, furloughs , and consolidations, I should think a rather dim bulb would catch on.
An idiot nephew, new to the grocery business, claimed "I lose 10 cents on each apple I sell", Uncle: "how are you making money?" Nephew, "Volume".
Airfoil
(The 73 market, along w/ MD80 is soon to be glutted. Two Yank Legacies are going to cost Mr Ryanair alot o dough on the "used" market).
An idiot nephew, new to the grocery business, claimed "I lose 10 cents on each apple I sell", Uncle: "how are you making money?" Nephew, "Volume".
Airfoil
(The 73 market, along w/ MD80 is soon to be glutted. Two Yank Legacies are going to cost Mr Ryanair alot o dough on the "used" market).
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"Ryanair, Europe’s largest low fares airline, today (5th June) announced its biggest ever single expansion, launching 12 new UK routes as part of a package of 40 new European routes for winter 2008."
and:
"Ryanair, Europe's biggest low fares airline, today (3 June) announced a 20% increase in full year net profits after tax to a record €481m. Traffic grew by 20% to 51m, average fares (including bag charges) fell by 1% to €44, while revenues grew 21% to €2.714bn. Despite a unit cost increase of 2%, due to higher staff and airport costs, Ryanair delivered an industry leading after tax profit margin of 18%."
Taken from the Ryanair webpage. And they´re gonna lay off 600 pilots???
To me that´s strange mathematics...
and:
"Ryanair, Europe's biggest low fares airline, today (3 June) announced a 20% increase in full year net profits after tax to a record €481m. Traffic grew by 20% to 51m, average fares (including bag charges) fell by 1% to €44, while revenues grew 21% to €2.714bn. Despite a unit cost increase of 2%, due to higher staff and airport costs, Ryanair delivered an industry leading after tax profit margin of 18%."
Taken from the Ryanair webpage. And they´re gonna lay off 600 pilots???
To me that´s strange mathematics...
