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Will be interesting to see 2 baby aircraft at EMA in the future 
!!!! Cant wait to see EMA as a FR airport, with a possible 9 aircraft for S10, baby would have cleared up that situation nicely, don't look so certain now though.
How it was in hmm, there first year!! So this makes me wonder, did baby peak in 2006?
!!!! Cant wait to see EMA as a FR airport, with a possible 9 aircraft for S10, baby would have cleared up that situation nicely, don't look so certain now though.How it was in hmm, there first year!! So this makes me wonder, did baby peak in 2006?
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Skip.rat.... apologies if you thought my comments were directed at the pilot fraternity of mainline, they were not. They are directed firmly at the management of Mainline and Baby. As one of the 158 affected by today's announcement, the mood of the majority is one of being let down and mismanaged. I totally agree with your comments regarding the financial artistry that has been going on by SMB.
Lufty have been forced into taking BMI group and despite their best efforts not one bidder has materialized to take it off their hands. So they are forced to try and stop the bleeding. Baby today and unfortunately Mainline and regional at the end of the month. The cull at the top has already started, but the board and previous management must the responsibility of the state the business is in.
We were told that the minimum no of aircraft required to operate as a financial going concern was 17. That has now become 12 for next year and we can all guess what will happen next winter when more leases expire. Lufty will wind it down to nothing and concentrate on their core business.
To all who are affected either with baby,mainline or regional I wish you well for the future and hope we can all find a better place to enjoy our chosen profession.
Lufty have been forced into taking BMI group and despite their best efforts not one bidder has materialized to take it off their hands. So they are forced to try and stop the bleeding. Baby today and unfortunately Mainline and regional at the end of the month. The cull at the top has already started, but the board and previous management must the responsibility of the state the business is in.
We were told that the minimum no of aircraft required to operate as a financial going concern was 17. That has now become 12 for next year and we can all guess what will happen next winter when more leases expire. Lufty will wind it down to nothing and concentrate on their core business.
To all who are affected either with baby,mainline or regional I wish you well for the future and hope we can all find a better place to enjoy our chosen profession.
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There were rumours that Jet2 were in discussion with investors and Lufthansa, to offload bmibaby and integrate it into Jet2's business model.
I guess todays announcement rules that out, Jet2 do not need to take a huge risk anymore, simply open a new base at the airports where bmibaby is cutting back on, like we have already seen major expansion at MAN and a new base at EMA. Watch this space with regard to CWL and BHX! Lufthansa obviously have a long term stratergy for what is going to happen to bmi/bmibaby etc, but clearly it is not interested in increasing their presence in the UK based LCC market. It's a huge shame as bmibaby are one of my favourite airlines, and I think an enlarged Jet2/bmi baby would have been a huge success, and could have realistically competed with Ryanair/easyJet.
I guess todays announcement rules that out, Jet2 do not need to take a huge risk anymore, simply open a new base at the airports where bmibaby is cutting back on, like we have already seen major expansion at MAN and a new base at EMA. Watch this space with regard to CWL and BHX! Lufthansa obviously have a long term stratergy for what is going to happen to bmi/bmibaby etc, but clearly it is not interested in increasing their presence in the UK based LCC market. It's a huge shame as bmibaby are one of my favourite airlines, and I think an enlarged Jet2/bmi baby would have been a huge success, and could have realistically competed with Ryanair/easyJet.
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The hopeful posts are commendable, I suppose.
Unfortunately, the writing was on the wall way back when bmibaby failed to expand at the necessary minimum rate. You've got to be big and keep getting bigger faster than anyone else if you want to be a top dog in low cost operations. Otherwise, you starve or get eaten alive.
bmi, bmibaby and the other tiny train set with the skinny jets whose name I forget are clearly incapable of facing competition from anyone with better management. Which is pretty much anyone.
Unfortunately, the writing was on the wall way back when bmibaby failed to expand at the necessary minimum rate. You've got to be big and keep getting bigger faster than anyone else if you want to be a top dog in low cost operations. Otherwise, you starve or get eaten alive.
bmi, bmibaby and the other tiny train set with the skinny jets whose name I forget are clearly incapable of facing competition from anyone with better management. Which is pretty much anyone.
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From an SLF perspective, I find it hard now to book a flight with baby. The carrier seems to have an unfortunate habit of cancelling booked flights and whilst this is perfectly legal, it doesn't engender customer loyalty since the customer then has to find other flights at short notice often at a higher cost. This then makes the customer less likely to book baby flights in the future in case the same thing should happen again.
I sincerely hope baby will survive as I've found the crews great and it is people's livelihoods we're talking about here. But, IMHO, what they surely need to do is show some commitment to routes so that customers can book with confidence in them knowing that the route will operate. Unfortunately, the announcement of the fleet reduction leads to the conclusion that more routes will be cut, more customers disappointed and probably more people generally less willing to book with baby in the future. It is hard to escape from the conclusion that they are on a generally downward spiral although I really hope I am wrong and that LH has some sort of masterplan for their rescue.
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I sincerely hope baby will survive as I've found the crews great and it is people's livelihoods we're talking about here. But, IMHO, what they surely need to do is show some commitment to routes so that customers can book with confidence in them knowing that the route will operate. Unfortunately, the announcement of the fleet reduction leads to the conclusion that more routes will be cut, more customers disappointed and probably more people generally less willing to book with baby in the future. It is hard to escape from the conclusion that they are on a generally downward spiral although I really hope I am wrong and that LH has some sort of masterplan for their rescue.
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Retreating to your spirital home is what elephants do to die, or am I thinking about something else.
Seriously I can not see EMA sustaining the airline and baby making profits on routes that other have dropped, Barcelona being one.
Good luck to them though.
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Seriously I can not see EMA sustaining the airline and baby making profits on routes that other have dropped, Barcelona being one.
Good luck to them though.
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To all my baby collegues.......did u know that only today, i believe, the pilot management at bmi have been asking for what i can only describe as volunteers to apply for an airline that they have a lead in with. Required...4000hrs, 2000 on jets. Its bloody emirites and none of the baby lot have had a look in!!!
Shameful
Shameful
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I completely sympathise with you Apron but are you sure of your facts?
Right off the bat, I dont have any facts but I was under the impression that this was simply a steer in the right direction from the managers not a lead in. Do you have information that actually suggests that bmi mainline pilots will get an immediate position upon application or even a fast tracked interview?
Sketchy details at present, so if you know more......
Right off the bat, I dont have any facts but I was under the impression that this was simply a steer in the right direction from the managers not a lead in. Do you have information that actually suggests that bmi mainline pilots will get an immediate position upon application or even a fast tracked interview?
Sketchy details at present, so if you know more......
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Why not they kept sixty of you from the dole queue last year, by the same method, shame the respect and loyaty(if you can call it) that doesnt extend to baby.
Virgin doid the same for thier guys
Virgin doid the same for thier guys
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What happened last year was a Secondment. I may be wrong but i do not think that what you are talking about this time is a Secondment.
Not backing any particular side but i was just trying to ensure that the correct facts are used before people start banding around accusations of what is fair & what is not. Secondment is completly different to a "chaps so & so are recruiting if you are interested in it" message.
I do not know any of the details but if one of the bmi folk who has taken this further would like to correct any of my errors, i'd happily stand corrected.
Not backing any particular side but i was just trying to ensure that the correct facts are used before people start banding around accusations of what is fair & what is not. Secondment is completly different to a "chaps so & so are recruiting if you are interested in it" message.
I do not know any of the details but if one of the bmi folk who has taken this further would like to correct any of my errors, i'd happily stand corrected.
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right off the bat....the fact is that Interest and c.v's are initially to be given to BB and some other recruitment fella. If it is indeed them that passes them to Emirates then tis is more than a gentle steer but like I said some agreement/arrangement.
Good luck to my collegues
Good luck to my collegues
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Some possible developments today with easyjet kindly offering their
East Midlands pax to Baby and now as reported on the Bounemouth
thread a new route has appeared to Jersey.
The gap in the schedule has always been there since the summer 2010
flights were released with the East Mids Jersey aircraft having spare capacity to operate another flight but is this a sign that aircraft have been saved?
The last change of schedule I noticed was not good news with BHX-GLA
from this Wednesday going down to daily until 11/1/2010. This seems to leave them with just three operational aircraft at BHX for a few weeks.
Pete
East Midlands pax to Baby and now as reported on the Bounemouth
thread a new route has appeared to Jersey.
The gap in the schedule has always been there since the summer 2010
flights were released with the East Mids Jersey aircraft having spare capacity to operate another flight but is this a sign that aircraft have been saved?
The last change of schedule I noticed was not good news with BHX-GLA
from this Wednesday going down to daily until 11/1/2010. This seems to leave them with just three operational aircraft at BHX for a few weeks.
Pete
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Well done on this new route - this is pretty good thinking by bmibaby considering they has just been cutting back at other airports.
Let's face it, BOH is perfect for an link to JER: no competition for the 400,000 population of BOH (including Poole and Christchurch) apart from the flybe southampton operation 30 mins away, appropriate and wealthy older population (!)
Definitely better to do this route than having the a/c on the ground at JER.
what is the flight time? 20 mins!?
Let's face it, BOH is perfect for an link to JER: no competition for the 400,000 population of BOH (including Poole and Christchurch) apart from the flybe southampton operation 30 mins away, appropriate and wealthy older population (!)
Definitely better to do this route than having the a/c on the ground at JER.
what is the flight time? 20 mins!?
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Check on sun summer timtable shows EMA 8 AIRCRAFT
BHX 3 AIRCRAFT
CWL 2 AIRCRAFT
MAN 1 AIRCRAFT
Times are all sun a/m this makes 14 aircraft required is the 12 qouted to be altered or are the use of mainline or other aircraft to be used.
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BHX 3 AIRCRAFT
CWL 2 AIRCRAFT
MAN 1 AIRCRAFT
Times are all sun a/m this makes 14 aircraft required is the 12 qouted to be altered or are the use of mainline or other aircraft to be used.
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Bizarrely, their booking system shows a 45 minute block time on the sector BOH-JER but a 24hour, 45minute sector for the JER-BOH sector with the system indicating that the flights depart one day (Mon, Fri and Sat) and arrive the next day?!!
Bizarrely, their booking system shows a 45 minute block time on the sector BOH-JER but a 24hour, 45minute sector for the JER-BOH sector with the system indicating that the flights depart one day (Mon, Fri and Sat) and arrive the next day?!!
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Looking at the WW website it shows on Wednesday CWL only having 3 flights but current times are.
A/C 1 - Dep 06:50 then arrive at 16:30 (no flights after this)
A/C 2 - Dep 12:00 then arrive at 17:45 (no flights in the am and nothing in the evening.
Are we likely to see the schedule to change and show only one aircraft operating that day or is there a new route or extra rotations to be announced?
Tuesday and Wednesday are also showing nothing after 19:20 so maybe we are to see a new route or aircraft being positioned and used elsewhere?
Looking at the WW website it shows on Wednesday CWL only having 3 flights but current times are.
A/C 1 - Dep 06:50 then arrive at 16:30 (no flights after this)
A/C 2 - Dep 12:00 then arrive at 17:45 (no flights in the am and nothing in the evening.
Are we likely to see the schedule to change and show only one aircraft operating that day or is there a new route or extra rotations to be announced?
Tuesday and Wednesday are also showing nothing after 19:20 so maybe we are to see a new route or aircraft being positioned and used elsewhere?
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I have copied the whole schedule out Monday - Friday for the
2nd week in June and the aircraft required are: -
EMA 7
BHX 5
MAN 2
CWL 2
Total 16
BHX's EDI & GLA do nothing in between the morning & evening flights
and I expect they will move to Regional as rumoured or chopped leaving BHX with three and this is why three are needed Sat & Sun on
the Med routes - very carefully planned.
If it gets cuts to 12 then there will be more serious route losses
but hopefully 14 it will be but you can see that they do have a plan B.
The Manchester's two do 16 sectors on a Monday and Friday that
would take some losses to get that to one aircraft.
Pete
I have copied the whole schedule out Monday - Friday for the
2nd week in June and the aircraft required are: -
EMA 7
BHX 5
MAN 2
CWL 2
Total 16
BHX's EDI & GLA do nothing in between the morning & evening flights
and I expect they will move to Regional as rumoured or chopped leaving BHX with three and this is why three are needed Sat & Sun on
the Med routes - very carefully planned.
If it gets cuts to 12 then there will be more serious route losses
but hopefully 14 it will be but you can see that they do have a plan B.
The Manchester's two do 16 sectors on a Monday and Friday that
would take some losses to get that to one aircraft.
Pete
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Some light with potentially 14a/c not 12.
CWL 2
MAN 2
BHX 3
EMA 7
14 a/c, IF LH decide baby have done enough to keep and extra 2. Will know next week. Working out aircraft patterns from the schedule will not give you the plan as it was only ever a wish list to see if the bookings could hold LH at bay. The actual schedules won't appear for a few weeks yet. I know what you're going to say but it is true ! Likely to be mostly leisure with the odd domestiic that makes a bit of cash. With only a year to make money they're going to have to be very careful what they operate. It all has to work !
CWL 2
MAN 2
BHX 3
EMA 7
14 a/c, IF LH decide baby have done enough to keep and extra 2. Will know next week. Working out aircraft patterns from the schedule will not give you the plan as it was only ever a wish list to see if the bookings could hold LH at bay. The actual schedules won't appear for a few weeks yet. I know what you're going to say but it is true ! Likely to be mostly leisure with the odd domestiic that makes a bit of cash. With only a year to make money they're going to have to be very careful what they operate. It all has to work !
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From the Bournemouth Website says
"Plus the development of the new terminal at Bournemouth Airport, which is due to open in spring 2010, will open up even more opportunities for bmibaby."
This is absolutly great new for Bournemouth residents.
I have already heard booking have started to be taken now.
Looking forward to further flights in the future as Thomson, Easyjet and Ryanair dont seem interested.
Well done roll on the new terminal opening,
"Plus the development of the new terminal at Bournemouth Airport, which is due to open in spring 2010, will open up even more opportunities for bmibaby."
This is absolutly great new for Bournemouth residents.
I have already heard booking have started to be taken now.
Looking forward to further flights in the future as Thomson, Easyjet and Ryanair dont seem interested.
Well done roll on the new terminal opening,