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Take a look through Hudson Bay's posting history. Many posts are about the bmi group, and almost all of them are infantile. The rest are all painting doomsday scenarios about many UK airlines or hyping up never to arrive 'big announcements'. In my opinion there speaks someone with some sort of weird twisted agenda.....
Ian, for what it's worth, the takeover is not just mainline. Lufthansa have purchased the whole bmi group.
Just to note also, and this is not to say it might not happen, but for something that was supposedly picked up off the Reuters news wire, I cannot find any other reference to this 'story' with newspapers who have been particularly keen to publish rumour and speculation around this deal for a long time. I have also looked at the Reuters wire for yesterday (which is when this story is dated) and there is no mention of it. The last bmi related story is dated November 6th and concerns MAN longhaul.
I may well be wrong, but make of it what you will.
Ian, for what it's worth, the takeover is not just mainline. Lufthansa have purchased the whole bmi group.
Just to note also, and this is not to say it might not happen, but for something that was supposedly picked up off the Reuters news wire, I cannot find any other reference to this 'story' with newspapers who have been particularly keen to publish rumour and speculation around this deal for a long time. I have also looked at the Reuters wire for yesterday (which is when this story is dated) and there is no mention of it. The last bmi related story is dated November 6th and concerns MAN longhaul.
I may well be wrong, but make of it what you will.
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i know this is a rumour forum. but i think comments about doom and gloom whatever it may be is unsettleing for the staff, and i think a lot of times puts ideas in minds in the wrong places. time will tell what will or not happen. but what ever happens that the staff will all come out of it good.
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Yes I agree as I have said before not knowing what is happening is worse than
knowing either you are going or you are staying and is very unsettling to the whole family as you just cannot plan anything
My personal feeling is that Baby is too good to through away with the bath water,
if the loco airlines can survive they are the first that will gain when we come out of this recession as people will feel they need a break but not have the money to blow on a big holiday
Ian
PS Thanks Topslide that what I really meant
edited to add PS
Yes I agree as I have said before not knowing what is happening is worse than
knowing either you are going or you are staying and is very unsettling to the whole family as you just cannot plan anything
My personal feeling is that Baby is too good to through away with the bath water,
if the loco airlines can survive they are the first that will gain when we come out of this recession as people will feel they need a break but not have the money to blow on a big holiday
Ian
PS Thanks Topslide that what I really meant
edited to add PS
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There are all kinds of opponents who'd like to spread a few detrimental rumours about the demise of bmi business components.
It's a bit like short selling stock...
If you can get the rumour to acquire enough critical mass, it almost becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
LOCO's are, relatively, on the up in the present economic downturn because they're cheap.
I'm thinking of Churchill and the beaches....
It's a bit like short selling stock...
If you can get the rumour to acquire enough critical mass, it almost becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
LOCO's are, relatively, on the up in the present economic downturn because they're cheap.
I'm thinking of Churchill and the beaches....
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Topslide, Am I not allowed opinions?
I do not see life through rose coloured spectacles. I see what is happening and make educated decisions based on fact. Infantile remarks such as yours does nothing to help those people that are in their final 90 days of employment. You are nothing more than a cowboy that paints over cracks instead of utilisation of concrete substance.
If you wish to be an ostrich that is your choice, I am merely saying how it is.
The facts are Lufthansa are looking at selling off the company, that may or may not mean breaking up all three companies.
I sincerely hope they don't but you will be a very silly person if you are not dusting off you CV and looking for another job right now.
Topslide, by the tune of some of your posts you will be one of those bleaters that sound off when you are told that you are no longer required and your job is now obsolete. Get into the real world, smell the coffee and stop cuddling everyone and whispering everything will be OK.
There is absolutely no doubt the industry, Country and the Worlds financial systems are in free fall. Just look at the Dollar, the Euro, the Yen, Oil prices now $45 a barrel, share prices worldwide half the value from 6 months ago, unemployment, repossessions, negative inflation, I could go on for hours. We are in dire straights, SMB forced the sale of bmi and who could blame him. A Billion turnover and a return of beer tokens. Not worth the hassle.
It is a very worrying time for everyone and I wish everyone well. Closing your ears and eyes won't make the inevitable go away.
I do not see life through rose coloured spectacles. I see what is happening and make educated decisions based on fact. Infantile remarks such as yours does nothing to help those people that are in their final 90 days of employment. You are nothing more than a cowboy that paints over cracks instead of utilisation of concrete substance.
If you wish to be an ostrich that is your choice, I am merely saying how it is.
The facts are Lufthansa are looking at selling off the company, that may or may not mean breaking up all three companies.
I sincerely hope they don't but you will be a very silly person if you are not dusting off you CV and looking for another job right now.
Topslide, by the tune of some of your posts you will be one of those bleaters that sound off when you are told that you are no longer required and your job is now obsolete. Get into the real world, smell the coffee and stop cuddling everyone and whispering everything will be OK.
There is absolutely no doubt the industry, Country and the Worlds financial systems are in free fall. Just look at the Dollar, the Euro, the Yen, Oil prices now $45 a barrel, share prices worldwide half the value from 6 months ago, unemployment, repossessions, negative inflation, I could go on for hours. We are in dire straights, SMB forced the sale of bmi and who could blame him. A Billion turnover and a return of beer tokens. Not worth the hassle.
It is a very worrying time for everyone and I wish everyone well. Closing your ears and eyes won't make the inevitable go away.
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No one's saying you can't have an opinion.
That said, I stand by earlier post. All your posts are of a similar nature on similar subjects, such that it prompted me to ask the question once before this thread arrived at this point, just what is your agenda?
You've made this statement based on a quote attributed to someone who is extremely unlikely to have said it in the first place, and one that has not been picked up by any other news outlet and is untraceable on the wire that it supposedly came from. For someone who states their occupation as 'airline pilot' you tend to post with both size 9's planted firmly in front of you at head height. If it weren't for the fact that it would be rightly deleted by the mods, i'd write just exactly what I think about posts like these.
I'm under no illusions about what the future may hold but I am capable of looking at it objectively.
Grow up.
That said, I stand by earlier post. All your posts are of a similar nature on similar subjects, such that it prompted me to ask the question once before this thread arrived at this point, just what is your agenda?
A very sad day. Another Airline just about gone.
I'm under no illusions about what the future may hold but I am capable of looking at it objectively.
Grow up.
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Of course your allowed your opinions, just the same as everyone else, but they are just that= your opinions, the problem is that you try to make it a seem as though what you say is fact and that you are close to management that are making plans as we speak, which i doubt.
Luffty will do what Luffty will do and yes baby (and the rest of bmi) might well be broken up, sold on, merged,expanded or even closed down, but right now there are boys and girls out there doing a good job for the group and trying their level best to keep the fires going in what are difficult times
Please continue to post your views and opinions, if your are in the know then please tell us more cos we get told Jack s**t, but if you do know then it needs to be more accurate than what you haven given us before
Cheers
Luffty will do what Luffty will do and yes baby (and the rest of bmi) might well be broken up, sold on, merged,expanded or even closed down, but right now there are boys and girls out there doing a good job for the group and trying their level best to keep the fires going in what are difficult times
Please continue to post your views and opinions, if your are in the know then please tell us more cos we get told Jack s**t, but if you do know then it needs to be more accurate than what you haven given us before
Cheers
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I think there is potential at baby, but they need to get their act seriously together. This summer has been an awful one for their customers on MAN-ORK and MAN-NOC with frequent delays, poor schedules and from what I have seen the rest of the MAN network was no better.
Baby need to get their act together because at the minute they are handing their market to EI on a plate. The number of frequent travellers I've sat next to on my flights who have given up on baby due to delays, which are made seem even longer by the already late-night departure times is worrying. The state of the aircraft is also a common complaint. Like them, I've given up on baby whenever possible, which is a shame because the airline is fundamentally a good one, I think a fleet of new, reliable A319/73G would do a lot for baby. But WW is a fantastic example of why FR and U2 swear by new fleets - they are less likely to break down.
Brian.
Baby need to get their act together because at the minute they are handing their market to EI on a plate. The number of frequent travellers I've sat next to on my flights who have given up on baby due to delays, which are made seem even longer by the already late-night departure times is worrying. The state of the aircraft is also a common complaint. Like them, I've given up on baby whenever possible, which is a shame because the airline is fundamentally a good one, I think a fleet of new, reliable A319/73G would do a lot for baby. But WW is a fantastic example of why FR and U2 swear by new fleets - they are less likely to break down.
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I stand by what I said. bmibaby has nothing to sell. Routes, Aircraft or property. As a going concern nobody will pay for an airline while numerous Airlines are going bust each week and can be picked up for nothing short of a Euro.
In my opinion the brand will be gone within months. If Lufthansa decide to give it away, that is for them to decide and you or I do not have any say in the matter. That day will be a sad day for bmibaby but hey, life goes on.
You obviously have a wish list and I understand why you do, but that is fairy tail stuff. Unfortunately this is the real world and real people that are hoping on hope their jobs are safe.
In my opinion the brand will be gone within months. If Lufthansa decide to give it away, that is for them to decide and you or I do not have any say in the matter. That day will be a sad day for bmibaby but hey, life goes on.
You obviously have a wish list and I understand why you do, but that is fairy tail stuff. Unfortunately this is the real world and real people that are hoping on hope their jobs are safe.
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Topslide,
Your eyes are really shut. Heres the link that you say does not exist.
Business Feed Article | Business | guardian.co.uk
Your eyes are really shut. Heres the link that you say does not exist.
Business Feed Article | Business | guardian.co.uk
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I would have thought an European airline operating 737's with one of the lowest cost-bases in the region (as Hudson likes to point out, there is no expensive financing associated with ownership at bmibaby), owned by the richest airline in Europe, is a recipe for success?
It just depends on how you look at the cup eh, Hudson?
Less of the "The facts are...." tho' please...
You and I know we're both pi**ing in the wind as far as the crystal ball gazing goes...
You must be great company down the bar...
It just depends on how you look at the cup eh, Hudson?
Less of the "The facts are...." tho' please...
You and I know we're both pi**ing in the wind as far as the crystal ball gazing goes...
You must be great company down the bar...
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Hudson disgruntled ex bmi/baby pilot by any chance? You seem to take take great delight in the current circumstances, please remember the lads and girls have families and bills to pay.As for your so called "FACTS" nobody knows as yet and everything is pure speculation until it is announced it is not FACT!!
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Congratulations numpty. You've succeeded in re-posting the link to the Guardian website. If you'd even bothered to read my posts, you'd have seen that i never questioned that particular article's existence. What i said, and for the third time, was that there is absolutely NO reference to this by ANY other media outlet, nor it is on the Reuters news wire, which the Guardian are claiming was the source.
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As someone said at work yesterday'
There are only two certainties:
1. We'll be the last to know.
2. It won't be what we're expecting.
For my tuppence worth I might put a small side bet on SMB buying Baby and Regional back from Lufthansa. I just can't see him walking away from this business and retiring.
Only a few days to find out what the next episode in this soap opera holds for us.
Link to Reuters article here:
Flybe seeks new acquisitions despite downturn | Reuters
I think regional would be a very good fit for Flybe," said Andrew Lobbenberg, an airlines analyst at Royal Bank of Scotland. That would be a better bet than tilting at bmibaby, its low-cost sister airline also expected to be put on the auction block.
There are only two certainties:
1. We'll be the last to know.
2. It won't be what we're expecting.
For my tuppence worth I might put a small side bet on SMB buying Baby and Regional back from Lufthansa. I just can't see him walking away from this business and retiring.
Only a few days to find out what the next episode in this soap opera holds for us.
Link to Reuters article here:
Flybe seeks new acquisitions despite downturn | Reuters
I think regional would be a very good fit for Flybe," said Andrew Lobbenberg, an airlines analyst at Royal Bank of Scotland. That would be a better bet than tilting at bmibaby, its low-cost sister airline also expected to be put on the auction block.
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flybe wouldnt take baby, baby have a fleet of B733's flying all over europe, flybe only fly to spain for example from southampton and exeter, flybe wouldnt keep there B733's and would most likely replace them with E195, which have less seats than the B733 and with competition like ryanair at east mids for example, it would be a risk, flybe would be purchasing nothing if they left ema. They are better getting regional, because they can then base a E145 which they have some of at the moment at EMA and then they have also MAN base as well.
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well said inkjet
I really cant be bothered with people who write nothing but doom and gloom about the bmi takeover by lufthansa. As inkjet said there are boys and girls out there working hard for bmi and really dont need to be force fed someones elses OPINIONS ! The management are not going to tell staff the full story right now but their plans will be revealed in time. Until then its business as usual. If someone feels their job is on the line... then move on.... if they are happy working and enjoying the job until any changes are made.... then great.... enjoy the good times while they still exist. What will be will be. 
OliWW
FlyBe are getting rid of E45s as fast as they can, replacing them with DH4s and E195s. The last they would want, from a fleet perspective, would be a load more to get shot of. From a commercial perspective, there may be some mileage in buying bmi Regional to gain the slots at MAN, and some business routes out of EMA that would probably make more economic sense flown by DH4s than thirsty old generation 737s that are also too big for the job.
As for buying Baby - why? Flybe's core business is now the thinner leisure routes, plus business routes domestically in UK and western Europe. Baby's is pretty well all bucket and spade, and weekend breaks - their frequency on what could called business routes (LIS, MAD, BCN) is not high enough to make them appealing to the business market.
Personally, I can't see why LH wouldn't want to look seriously at putting Baby in with Germanwings (under one management) but perhaps retaining the two companies as separate brands a'la TUI with it's various operations outside Germany.
As another poster said, all this is little more than rumour and speculation. When LH make their minds up the last to know will be the folks whose employment will be most directly effected - thats how it works these days.
FlyBe are getting rid of E45s as fast as they can, replacing them with DH4s and E195s. The last they would want, from a fleet perspective, would be a load more to get shot of. From a commercial perspective, there may be some mileage in buying bmi Regional to gain the slots at MAN, and some business routes out of EMA that would probably make more economic sense flown by DH4s than thirsty old generation 737s that are also too big for the job.
As for buying Baby - why? Flybe's core business is now the thinner leisure routes, plus business routes domestically in UK and western Europe. Baby's is pretty well all bucket and spade, and weekend breaks - their frequency on what could called business routes (LIS, MAD, BCN) is not high enough to make them appealing to the business market.
Personally, I can't see why LH wouldn't want to look seriously at putting Baby in with Germanwings (under one management) but perhaps retaining the two companies as separate brands a'la TUI with it's various operations outside Germany.
As another poster said, all this is little more than rumour and speculation. When LH make their minds up the last to know will be the folks whose employment will be most directly effected - thats how it works these days.
