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My understanding is that due to the very very late arrival of the 787, Monarch have been offered 737NGs at a very very good rate by Boeing.
Finding experienced crews, in short order, may be tricky for a large increase in fleet size; so from a business perspective it could make sense for MON to buy baby for the 737 experienced crews. It would save time and training budget, would give them some ready made bucket & spade routes and I am sure the staff would have no problem readjusting to a new owner.
Just my uninformed conjecture.
Finding experienced crews, in short order, may be tricky for a large increase in fleet size; so from a business perspective it could make sense for MON to buy baby for the 737 experienced crews. It would save time and training budget, would give them some ready made bucket & spade routes and I am sure the staff would have no problem readjusting to a new owner.
Just my uninformed conjecture.
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G-AWZK might be spot on there with his quote, in part:
"Finding experienced crews, in short order, may be tricky for a large increase in fleet size; so from a business perspective it could make sense for MON to buy baby for the 737 experienced crews. It would save time and training budget, would give them some ready made bucket & spade routes and I am sure the staff would have no problem readjusting to a new owner."
Therefore, it would make a lot of sense first off for MON to be gunning for the soon to be redundant WW crew in MAN and also contemplating moving into CWL as there'll be a lot of crew, both flight deck and cabin, most likely praying for a new operator to move in to save their jobs?!
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"Finding experienced crews, in short order, may be tricky for a large increase in fleet size; so from a business perspective it could make sense for MON to buy baby for the 737 experienced crews. It would save time and training budget, would give them some ready made bucket & spade routes and I am sure the staff would have no problem readjusting to a new owner."
Therefore, it would make a lot of sense first off for MON to be gunning for the soon to be redundant WW crew in MAN and also contemplating moving into CWL as there'll be a lot of crew, both flight deck and cabin, most likely praying for a new operator to move in to save their jobs?!
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I think CWL may be a long shot. MON already in talks with BRS and ''apparently'' MON were in talks with CWL and MON walked out mid meeting... and ''apparently'' LS talks went badly for CWL too.
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There are no redundant WW crew in MAN or CWL all have been offered position in BHX & EMA, no doubt some will not wish to relocate and ZB & LS may be a consideration, ZB would be people first choice ( no pun )
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Inkjet,you state no one is being made redundant at Man and Cwl.I think you need to get a reality check lad.25 bmi groundstaff at Man being layed off and 9 supervisors/duty managers are being made to re apply for 4 jobs.
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Bmibaby 'new strategy'
I have some advice to save Bmibaby, reinstate routes at MAN/ CWL, provide a decent reliable service, open 'niche' routes to Bordueax, Perpignan and Lourdes and Montpellier from MAN or CWL (I know they did that but didn't advertise some of them until they decided to close them) - or otherwise forget it and go home now! Why is it that so much that customers want and makes good business sense (e.g. purchasing or faciliting aircratft to provide a good variety of reasonably priced and reliable such that customers have confidence tio book them) routes - is bonkers in airline speak!.
I know this may appear flippant,but why don't airlines take a step back, look at what customers want - and provide it
I know this may appear flippant,but why don't airlines take a step back, look at what customers want - and provide it
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My argument to any airline is that even though customer culture has changed - years ago airlines could charge £500 return for demanding domestic routes and offer a good meal even though it's a short flight to help justify it. Now, it's entirely different, or is it? Sure customers want cheap - but I think customers are wanting to see their money go further, hence where BA succeeds on routes quite well. If BMIbaby grasped that charging a bit more and delivering a punctual and desirable service, they're on to a bigger winner. There's a reason the all business class from LCY to JFK is constantly sold out, going that extra mile works for customers. The industry hasn't changed too much to the extent of nobody caring about the frills, because people do.
Hopefully the top dogs at bmibaby aren't as brain dead as they seem.
Hopefully the top dogs at bmibaby aren't as brain dead as they seem.
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READ THE POST it would be clear to all that I was referring to flight deck, well all bar you and your known agenda re baby, BTW do you really think all those people 25+ plus are/were there to support two baby aircraft?
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LCY JFK is a very different market from say BHX/EMA ALC
Domy Dom
By and large the baby product is seen as good in the Midlands, the massive restructuring over recent years in the bmi group companies has resulted in many people leaving the company some are a sad loss others not so the problem for sites such as this is that it is full of people with an often anti ex employee attitude that because they are not part of the future, what ever that may be don't want to accept that there can be a future!
Baby in my view did that right thing in giving it's MAN/CWL employee's and customers 7 months notice of it's plans re re basing of aircraft, not a single customer will have had to re book hotels or cancel holiday plans, likewise all flight deck have a choice to stay with the company by either relocating or commuting or finding alternative employment, contrast this to say FR move from MAN with a few weeks notice
No one likes having their life turned upside down, or having to turn someone's life upside down. Baby have decided to go back to their roots ( and routes) in the Midlands BHX/EMA into BHD will make more money with two aircraft than EMA BHX CWL MAN did with four.
Baby may well revisit MAN in the future, but it won't do it with less than 6 aircraft, you need scale to make the numbers add up with airport deals when baby had 21 aircraft they should have stuck with 7 each in BHX MAN EMA , CWL MME were distractions BHD might go the same way but that's just a night stop not a base and what you spend on HOTAC you save on standby crew that would require around 6 flight deck and 10 cabin crew.
Well time for some sun in the Med
Domy Dom
By and large the baby product is seen as good in the Midlands, the massive restructuring over recent years in the bmi group companies has resulted in many people leaving the company some are a sad loss others not so the problem for sites such as this is that it is full of people with an often anti ex employee attitude that because they are not part of the future, what ever that may be don't want to accept that there can be a future!
Baby in my view did that right thing in giving it's MAN/CWL employee's and customers 7 months notice of it's plans re re basing of aircraft, not a single customer will have had to re book hotels or cancel holiday plans, likewise all flight deck have a choice to stay with the company by either relocating or commuting or finding alternative employment, contrast this to say FR move from MAN with a few weeks notice
No one likes having their life turned upside down, or having to turn someone's life upside down. Baby have decided to go back to their roots ( and routes) in the Midlands BHX/EMA into BHD will make more money with two aircraft than EMA BHX CWL MAN did with four.
Baby may well revisit MAN in the future, but it won't do it with less than 6 aircraft, you need scale to make the numbers add up with airport deals when baby had 21 aircraft they should have stuck with 7 each in BHX MAN EMA , CWL MME were distractions BHD might go the same way but that's just a night stop not a base and what you spend on HOTAC you save on standby crew that would require around 6 flight deck and 10 cabin crew.
Well time for some sun in the Med
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when baby had 21 aircraft they should have stuck with 7 each in BHX MAN EMA , CWL MME were distractions
As far as I can see all airlines at some point chop and change schedules, incl WW, with little or no notice, I have had my fair share of 'change to flight time' emails from a variety of airlines incl FR, EZY and TOM.
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Waves at Inkjet. Those ground staff figures are because of the baby pullout, we have already been cut to the bone by the loss of the longhaul routes, then another round of redundancies and now this. Ask me how I know? 
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Whilst it has been mentioned before about bmibaby continuing to advertise in Manchester and I understand they still have flights to fill but I'm confused about an advert I saw today. On a tram in Piccadilly, bmibaby Manchester to Newquay flights and it says for travel between 01.07.11-15.12.11 - that's a flight from Manchester to Newquay up until mid December? In fact, I don't even see that on the Manchester Airport wiki page as a route served by bmibaby - someone care to shed light?
Ah, just found the route on the Newquay info - but still confused by the dates considering the route is axed 2 months beforehand.
Ah, just found the route on the Newquay info - but still confused by the dates considering the route is axed 2 months beforehand.
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Ah, just found the route on the Newquay info - but still confused by the dates considering the route is axed 2 months beforehand.
On another note though, I must say, the advert clearly did the job it's designed to as you now know of the bmibaby Newquay routes?
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G-AWZK
There are no compulsory redundancies for flight deck at either CWL or MAN
Again what is your agenda, i see you are asking about bmi being sold on the bmi thread again, there are no plans to sell bmi or baby for that matter, but one can never say never. LH are still investing in bmi and have bought/buying the Stockley training centre from OAA with new Airbus sims going in later this year.
Again what is your agenda, i see you are asking about bmi being sold on the bmi thread again, there are no plans to sell bmi or baby for that matter, but one can never say never. LH are still investing in bmi and have bought/buying the Stockley training centre from OAA with new Airbus sims going in later this year.