T5 - Transport Select Committee Hearing 7-May-2008
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Really? Wow, so it uses barcodes not RFID chips, like WW was insisting was best 
Look away! Look away! Look away! Water Land ...
Altogether now:
Oh, I wish I was in Dixie! Hooray! Hooray!
In WaterLand I'll take my stand ... etc.
Look away! Look away! Look away! Water Land ...
Altogether now:
Oh, I wish I was in Dixie! Hooray! Hooray!
In WaterLand I'll take my stand ... etc.
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3D image? So IT really can "see" ... 
Ole Missus marry "will the weaver"
Willum was a gay deceiver
Look away! Look away! Look away!
His face was sharp as a butcher's cleaver
But that did not seem to grieve 'er
Look away! Look away! Look away!
Time to go - coat, hat - good weekend everyone 
Ole Missus marry "will the weaver"
Willum was a gay deceiver
Look away! Look away! Look away!
His face was sharp as a butcher's cleaver
But that did not seem to grieve 'er
Look away! Look away! Look away!
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All lots of replies!!
OORW;-Your right checking a double checking is silly however in a job like that of a pilot atc or Marshaller the choices they make are their choices and they take the fall.
The little feller doesnt have to check the stand entry guildance is working hes just got to make sure the stand is clear before he /she turns it on!!
Im all for marshalling every aircraft!!
The problem with the stands is stuff is just dumped and no way to chase down who dumped it, therefore no personal blame is taken and therefore people dont care and just dump stuff,
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Paxboy this is all to true!!
Is only when things go wrong they say O i didnt know that was happening!!
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They have bought in technogy that cant be used to it full potential because people stop it been used correctly i.e equipement on stand, stop this and things will run a lot smoother!!
It can scan for obstacles but when it finds something it has to stop because of the thing it found., the scanning idea is good its just when it finds something its relient on a human to shift it!!
And yes there is at least 4 mark one eys on the flightdeck, but still they can miss things its only human and it does happen so yes it deduces a problem but its not fair when they hit something for them to take the fall.
Yes the safedock has the capablity to be remote accessed but the idea is it only turned on when the stand is clear, and like the pilots it shouldnt be done froma camera, as this doesnt give a better view than someone there person.
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I dont know the ins and outs of how the system works other than when it is first calabrated it takes a (scan/ pictures/3d radar image) image of the stand, which is how it should be , jetty n box, Ground power in correct location and clear stand.
This image is the benchmark for the stand,
this is the image it looks for when you first turn on the guildance and if theres a tug where there shoudnt be it then does want to play.
I dont know weather it uses radar or lasers etc im afraid,
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OORW;-Your right checking a double checking is silly however in a job like that of a pilot atc or Marshaller the choices they make are their choices and they take the fall.
The little feller doesnt have to check the stand entry guildance is working hes just got to make sure the stand is clear before he /she turns it on!!
Im all for marshalling every aircraft!!
The problem with the stands is stuff is just dumped and no way to chase down who dumped it, therefore no personal blame is taken and therefore people dont care and just dump stuff,
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Paxboy this is all to true!!
Is only when things go wrong they say O i didnt know that was happening!!
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Cluster 1
They have bought in technogy that cant be used to it full potential because people stop it been used correctly i.e equipement on stand, stop this and things will run a lot smoother!!
It can scan for obstacles but when it finds something it has to stop because of the thing it found., the scanning idea is good its just when it finds something its relient on a human to shift it!!
And yes there is at least 4 mark one eys on the flightdeck, but still they can miss things its only human and it does happen so yes it deduces a problem but its not fair when they hit something for them to take the fall.
Yes the safedock has the capablity to be remote accessed but the idea is it only turned on when the stand is clear, and like the pilots it shouldnt be done froma camera, as this doesnt give a better view than someone there person.
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I dont know the ins and outs of how the system works other than when it is first calabrated it takes a (scan/ pictures/3d radar image) image of the stand, which is how it should be , jetty n box, Ground power in correct location and clear stand.
This image is the benchmark for the stand,
this is the image it looks for when you first turn on the guildance and if theres a tug where there shoudnt be it then does want to play.
I dont know weather it uses radar or lasers etc im afraid,
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Sounds like they need a few traffic wardens with webcams on their helmets, and a few deterent punitive sentences/fines to prevent people "dumping stuff".
Go back to "if guidance not on" P1 takes responsibility and uses 4 eyeballs. Time and motion needed to see why TRMs not in right place at right time. Can't anyone else be trained to turn on guidance and drive airbridge, or indeed why not activate both from flight deck like I do with my garage door?
No doubt there will be numerous reasons why none of the above are feasible!
From a simple surgeon and FI/FE
Go back to "if guidance not on" P1 takes responsibility and uses 4 eyeballs. Time and motion needed to see why TRMs not in right place at right time. Can't anyone else be trained to turn on guidance and drive airbridge, or indeed why not activate both from flight deck like I do with my garage door?
No doubt there will be numerous reasons why none of the above are feasible!
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Seems someone had a video camera running the night BA transferred to T5...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7bVD-cUFTw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7bVD-cUFTw
Controversial, moi?
Time and motion needed to see why TRMs not in right place at right time.
Can't anyone else be trained to turn on guidance and drive airbridge,
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I know this is thread drift, but having parked my transport of the day at hundreds of different airports around the world over the years, what is wrong with a bit of ramp discipline and the old fashioned vertical fluorescent tube behind a wooden board with several vertical lines on it? Costs about £45 and covers every aircraft ever built. TXL used to have a board on stand 1 or 2 with Concorde on it!
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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T5 - Transport Select Commitee Hearing 9 July 2008
I am just catching up ... watching this on BBC Parliament.
Iggy Vaid, a Senior Shop Steward, representing UNITE said even now, 3+months on from the initial fiasco, that typically one in 12 transfer passengers gets separated from a bag if it is requires transfer via T5.
Unbelievable.
Iggy Vaid, a Senior Shop Steward, representing UNITE said even now, 3+months on from the initial fiasco, that typically one in 12 transfer passengers gets separated from a bag if it is requires transfer via T5.
Unbelievable.
