BA Management (Split From T5 Thread)
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Bronx - sorry, most of the replies are now in response to people like you!!!! How can that be obsessive, you may think it would be rude not to respond.
I think the VAST MAJORITY of BA staff are feeling like me, very dissapointed that a once great company has come to this desperate point. It is not just the T5 problems, look deeper into the organisation, look at the possible pilot strike and the strength of feeling from BALPA their Union. It is without doubt going pearshaped.
Look further, price fixing, record competition commission fine, 777 crash at LHR (though of course yet to understand the reports from AAIB), these are all in the last year. BA is busting at the seams, the pressure from within is immense, what you are seeing is the results of an organisation in trouble.
Of course like all others it would be good to see it turned around, just I'm lost for ideas on that front. Maybe other posters can state their top 5 decisions if they were CEO.
I'll provide mine in due course, it will be my last post.
I think the VAST MAJORITY of BA staff are feeling like me, very dissapointed that a once great company has come to this desperate point. It is not just the T5 problems, look deeper into the organisation, look at the possible pilot strike and the strength of feeling from BALPA their Union. It is without doubt going pearshaped.
Look further, price fixing, record competition commission fine, 777 crash at LHR (though of course yet to understand the reports from AAIB), these are all in the last year. BA is busting at the seams, the pressure from within is immense, what you are seeing is the results of an organisation in trouble.
Of course like all others it would be good to see it turned around, just I'm lost for ideas on that front. Maybe other posters can state their top 5 decisions if they were CEO.
I'll provide mine in due course, it will be my last post.
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I think the VAST MAJORITY of BA staff are feeling like me, very dissapointed that a once great company has come to this desperate point
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L337 - there is nothing in that post with any hint of high opinion. All I was stating in response to your statement that you can never find 'proof' was that of course you can, that I'd go have a look myself. How you percieved this to be a reflection on my own self opinion speaks volumes about your own intent and purpose of your posts.
You then go on to suggest that BA is full of moaners and good people like yourself just struggle on with your cando attitude. That BAEng is one of the moaners and idlers. THis despite the fact that I said i would do something positive about the allegations of what is going on at BA.
I personally find the allegations to be divisive and dangerous, they could blow into a full scale industrial issue, especially if it is BA managers spreading the rumours for their own end. Saving bacon springs to mind.
L337 - please contibute something positive instead of becomming fixated with my own postings. If you don;t like what I'm saying then please by all means, hit ignore.
You then go on to suggest that BA is full of moaners and good people like yourself just struggle on with your cando attitude. That BAEng is one of the moaners and idlers. THis despite the fact that I said i would do something positive about the allegations of what is going on at BA.
I personally find the allegations to be divisive and dangerous, they could blow into a full scale industrial issue, especially if it is BA managers spreading the rumours for their own end. Saving bacon springs to mind.
L337 - please contibute something positive instead of becomming fixated with my own postings. If you don;t like what I'm saying then please by all means, hit ignore.
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L337 - have you actully been into the crewrooms around LHR, they blokes on the floor, who make up the VAST MAJORITY are highly humiliated but laughing their heads of at the major balls up WW and Co presented to the world.
THey did contribute as best they could, they did their bit, it was the big bosses that let them down so badly
THey did contribute as best they could, they did their bit, it was the big bosses that let them down so badly
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THE BALLS UP WAS ABOUT THIS BIG IN IMHO!!!!!!
Business week has a great report into the fiasco at LHR
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A few comments about this thread: where it started, where it has been and where it seems to be going.
Firstly, the unfortunate situation that has arisen at Heathrow, be it the fault of the BAA, BA or their sub-contractors, is certainly “thread worthy”. Many of the comments that have been provided are interesting; as ever much of the conjecture is far more interesting.
However, the thread has now seemingly disintegrated in to a playground spat with abuse and accusations being thrown around like confetti. Certain members seem to be either on a crusade to either attack the companies they purportedly work for or individuals within those companies. It has degraded far enough for qualifications of others to be denigrated and mocked, the spelling of individuals to be ridiculed and abuse seems to have become very much the order of today.
I really don’t see PPRUNE, or indeed this thread, as an appropriate forum for such maltreatment of individuals. Nor do I see such repartee as anyway constructive.
My recommendation, made somewhat sadly, would be to close this thread as it has, at the very least, drifted way off the original intent of the thread, and more probably is doing more harm than good. Little, if anything, will be learned from its continuation.
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Firstly, the unfortunate situation that has arisen at Heathrow, be it the fault of the BAA, BA or their sub-contractors, is certainly “thread worthy”. Many of the comments that have been provided are interesting; as ever much of the conjecture is far more interesting.
However, the thread has now seemingly disintegrated in to a playground spat with abuse and accusations being thrown around like confetti. Certain members seem to be either on a crusade to either attack the companies they purportedly work for or individuals within those companies. It has degraded far enough for qualifications of others to be denigrated and mocked, the spelling of individuals to be ridiculed and abuse seems to have become very much the order of today.
I really don’t see PPRUNE, or indeed this thread, as an appropriate forum for such maltreatment of individuals. Nor do I see such repartee as anyway constructive.
My recommendation, made somewhat sadly, would be to close this thread as it has, at the very least, drifted way off the original intent of the thread, and more probably is doing more harm than good. Little, if anything, will be learned from its continuation.
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You then go on to suggest that BA is full of moaners
but 98% are out there day in and day out trying to make a cr@p system work.
L337 - have you actully been into the crewrooms around LHR, they blokes on the floor, who make up the VAST MAJORITY are highly humiliated but laughing their heads of at the major balls up WW and Co presented to the world.
Yes poorly managed, but 98% are out there day in and day out trying to make a cr@p system work.
THey did contribute as best they could, they did their bit, it was the big bosses that let them down so badly
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L337 - In all my years at BA i have never, i repeat never seen a pilot in a crewroom. I very much doubt you are a pilot at BA, I have a great deal of respect for our pilots.
Yellow shark - even if you are not working for BA PR dept, your suggestion to shut down the thread would be fully in synch with their intent on censorship.
If this thread has disintegrated is because a swath of BA managers are on here knocking anyone with a real insight into what is going on, to challenge the spurious accusations about colleagues.
Funny, just saw on the box, advert for ZOOM, low cost, full service, friendly staff. That's main stream TV advert, that is the face of the competition.
Yellow shark - even if you are not working for BA PR dept, your suggestion to shut down the thread would be fully in synch with their intent on censorship.
If this thread has disintegrated is because a swath of BA managers are on here knocking anyone with a real insight into what is going on, to challenge the spurious accusations about colleagues.
Funny, just saw on the box, advert for ZOOM, low cost, full service, friendly staff. That's main stream TV advert, that is the face of the competition.
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L337 - please contibute something positive instead of becomming fixated with my own postings. If you don;t like what I'm saying then please by all means, hit ignore.
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I very much doubt you are a pilot at BA
If this thread has disintegrated is because a swath of BA managers are on here knocking anyone with a real insight into what is going on, to challenge the spurious accusations about colleagues.
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L337 - Getting a little strong with your postings, indeed I had decided to finish, but you finding the postings to be 'repulsive', it would be ashame not to keep you entertained.
I do find it strange you enjoy repulsive postings, hey each to their own.
I do find it strange you enjoy repulsive postings, hey each to their own.
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L337 - your getting a little tedious now, your on my ignore list. See you. One thing I will bet you, bet you I never reply to another one of your posts. Your on your own mate, till you pick another alias from the BA created profiles.
Bye and enjoy the deskjob.
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I think my point has just proven with the last post (#1006). Whilst one makes a polite attempt to try and diffuse the situation, and either allow a regression to a sensible discussion or closure on the whole matter; again we very quickly fall back in to the playground spat.
As for the comments made directly to me, they are really not worthy of reply.
Again, I think time has unfortunately come for this “off thread” thread.
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As for the comments made directly to me, they are really not worthy of reply.
Again, I think time has unfortunately come for this “off thread” thread.
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If (and this is a big IF) you had read my posts properly then you would have seen that I have a great deal of respect for most of the loaders. There have been massive cuts, they work with poor equipment and as always BA doesn't treat them with much respect.
Massive overtime has been required long before T5 to keep the show on the road (BY ALL DEPARTMENTS, even if some of us do not even get paid for it on the day).
I spoke to one loader and he was properly exhausted 3 weeks ago, I can only imagine how he must feel today.
And yes of course I can not PROOF what I say, however where there is smoke......
Been in BA a reasonable while to understand the inner workings...
It's a sad fact that proper management would have sorted this situation before it had arisen. We have a leadership team in place that falls on the 1st hurdle: LEAD.
2nd hurdle: they properly do manage very well, but they manage costs and not people.
So what might look good on paper, might not generate the cost savings they envisioned in their ivory towers...
T5 IS and will be a beautiful home I hope for us in BA. I for one am mightily proud to work for this company.
I have VERY big bones to pick with this 'management' but as it goes for the brand and loyalty towards my company I will always go the extra mile.
We'll see what comes from it, but it's clear some 'managers' have spun the truth they heard from the front line. This information has watered down through the upper echelons to an 'all seems okay' message, hence the current problems.
And there is the nub: COMMUNICATION and RESPECT for eachothers jobs. Empowerment and a feeling of trust that your complains are carried to the right people.
I can only blame poor management for it as recent surveys have shown.
I feel sorry for all that is going on. I hope we can make it up. I shall try
Massive overtime has been required long before T5 to keep the show on the road (BY ALL DEPARTMENTS, even if some of us do not even get paid for it on the day).
I spoke to one loader and he was properly exhausted 3 weeks ago, I can only imagine how he must feel today.
And yes of course I can not PROOF what I say, however where there is smoke......
Been in BA a reasonable while to understand the inner workings...
It's a sad fact that proper management would have sorted this situation before it had arisen. We have a leadership team in place that falls on the 1st hurdle: LEAD.
2nd hurdle: they properly do manage very well, but they manage costs and not people.
So what might look good on paper, might not generate the cost savings they envisioned in their ivory towers...
T5 IS and will be a beautiful home I hope for us in BA. I for one am mightily proud to work for this company.
I have VERY big bones to pick with this 'management' but as it goes for the brand and loyalty towards my company I will always go the extra mile.
We'll see what comes from it, but it's clear some 'managers' have spun the truth they heard from the front line. This information has watered down through the upper echelons to an 'all seems okay' message, hence the current problems.
And there is the nub: COMMUNICATION and RESPECT for eachothers jobs. Empowerment and a feeling of trust that your complains are carried to the right people.
I can only blame poor management for it as recent surveys have shown.
I feel sorry for all that is going on. I hope we can make it up. I shall try
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L337 - In all my years at BA i have never, i repeat never seen a pilot in a crewroom. I very much doubt you are a pilot at BA, I have a great deal of respect for our pilots.
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We used to have rather sociable crew rooms at BHX, MAN and GLA where flight and cabin crew mingled. Perhaps I missed the bit where engineers and loaders were awarded the monopoly on crew rooms.
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Shaku Zulu - Nice post, if I mistakenly suggested you were knocking the loaders then I retract that comment. Clearly from your latest post my poor assumption was wide of the mark.
Further I am very much aligned to your observations
I have a great deal of respect for most of the loaders
COMMUNICATION and RESPECT for each others jobs. Empowerment and a feeling of trust that your complains are carried to the right people.
I can only blame poor management for it as recent surveys have shown.
I can only blame poor management for it as recent surveys have shown.