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Old 2nd Nov 2009, 20:41
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Oh, and do you mean "sanguinary"? I can't see it being sanguine...


Oh, well. I guess the more phylologically and etymologically challenged among us will just have to settle for bloody.

Either way, I have a bad feeling.
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'At last something positive that Lufthansa want to keep BD'

Its more of a case that nobody really wants to pay any money for it.

LHR Slots it may have but the company is bleeding money at an alarming rate which cannot continue without radical restructuring and cost cutting.Something which our German friends
are very good at.
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That Radical Restructuring To Be Announced By End Of Month According To The Memo By Mr Turner Yesterday!!!
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Rumours from the hall are of a 40% cut in operated flights for next summer ...
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Could you confirm, when you say rumoured to be 40% cut in operated flights, are you referring to 40% reduction of flights in the bmi 'group' or as 40% reduction of bmi 'mainline' flights?

AFAIK, it is fairly common knowledge that LH are not impressed with the chartering that mainline does. It would appear that anti-chartering is a philosophy that LH have maintained throughout all of their companies. This would definitely reduce operated flights but not by 40%

So many good rumours exist because of subtle inaccuracies in the detail.

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That Radical Restructuring To Be Announced By End Of Month According To The Memo By Mr Turner Yesterday!!!
The bmibaby restrucuring has just been announced and the full document is in the bmi forum.

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Old 4th Nov 2009, 16:01
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A 40% reduction in flying could be achieved by slot sales and a fleet reduction.

Flying LHR slots with a 39 seaters doesn't make commercial sense and with management teams at different bases, one wonders how it ever made a profit even when times were good.
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Old 4th Nov 2009, 16:41
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I have always wondered why they have been using the Embraers on LHR routes.

However - flying 30 people on an Embraer MAN-LHR is cheaper than 30 people on an A319 on the same route! It will always depend on supply and demand.

Regarding selling slots - it's what gives them any value.
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Old 4th Nov 2009, 17:16
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flying 30 people on an Embraer MAN-LHR is cheaper than 30 people on an A319 on the same route!
On BD595 (MAN-LHR) on Friday, there were 14 of us onboard an A320

Is this the sort of flight that operates for no reason than to get the aircraft/crew back to base so therefore take a few quid in the process?
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A 40% reduction in the Mainline business ...
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I've heard that Lufty are considering giving Brussels Airlines another A319 to take over the LHR-BRU route. Not sure if as a similar operation to how mainline are operating for LH Italia and on the TXL route, or if this is a straight swap to Brussels metal and crews. Apparently the SN brand is a better fit for the route than bmi, not sure on the truth of that.
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The bottom line is that SMB and his merry men kept me in work from September 1970 through to February 2002. The pay was always there and on time, through thick and thin.
The bottom line is, the pension you're currently drawing is from a scheme that is $70m (give or take a million) in the red, run by a company about to be minced up and sold as frankfurters. 1970 to 2002 might have been OK for cosy "I'm all right Jack" little you, but I wouldn't bet on 2010 onwards being the same.

The bmi workforce, in jobs or retired, are about to pay big time for the incompetence, greed and selfishness of the rats currently scurrying off the ship.
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The bmi workforce, in jobs or retired, are about to pay big time for the incompetence, greed and selfishness of the rats currently scurrying off the ship.
Not sure what you mean by that, but I think you will find pensions funds have rather more protection these days that they used to have, the fund deficit is now Lufty problem and it is interesting to note that the difference in the agreed sale price for bmi and the reduced amount SMB eventually settled for was around the same figure as the pension fund deficit.
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The pension deficit is alleged to be a lot more than £70 which I believe was the figure declared some time ago. Try three times that and you might be closer to the mark...
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Pension Defecit

If only it were £70...
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Originally Posted by bmibaby.com
Apparently the SN brand is a better fit for the route than bmi, not sure on the truth of that.
Agree, about the market on that particular route (and also worth bearing mind as many bmi flights from BRU are to non-LHR destinations: EDI, LBA, EMA...) However, eastbound SN flights from the UK serving an SN hub to onward SN destinations under the SN brand (as already at MAN, BHX, NCL etc) makes more sense overall than bmi branded flights westbound of which only those to LHR serve a hub and, even then, mostly to non-bmi onward flights.

Hopefully if the brand does switch to SN the whole lot will be done as a wetlease, as you suggest, otherwise it is bad news, especially for Regional.
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A 2nd B757 ?
Seriously ?

I don't think you appreciate how deep these cuts are going to go!
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many heads are going to role!
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I believe BMI have some winter charter flights in the next coming months from the UK, including Hajj flights.
Is anybody able to supply any further details such as equipment, routes and dates/frequency?

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queenvichow many heads are we talking?

lets just say its going to be a blood bath

somewhere in the 20/25% numbers so by my reckoning thats about 1100/1200 of us! gulp
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