The Lufthansa / BMI Thing (merged)
There is much surgery to come at LHR but the unions having blocked much of the change for now but that wont last.
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Looking further ahead, will BD, LH, Star etc have a major hand in the design and specification of Heathrow East? As I understand it that will be an (almost?) Star exclusive terminal with LHBD as the host airline.
The scope clause (which for those outside of bmi attempts, largely unsuccessfully, to limit the number of non-mainline aircraft that operate at LHR) is irrelevant, any route that can only support an EMB145 will be stopped and the slot either sold or used for something more useful. The very fact that such small aircraft are operating for us at LHR is a classic example of the failure of the company to attract passengers and compete on routes where we have quality competition and the "slot husbandry" that has characterised the last 5-6 years at bmi.
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Am I right in thinking that bmi, along with other airlines, have negotiated their way out of the use-it-or-lose-it slot rules for this current summer season (and are currently trying to get the same agreement for this coming Winter season)?
Changes in the short-term may therefore become possible if true.
Changes in the short-term may therefore become possible if true.
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6, my good fellow, you say:
"As the biggest player in the Star Alliance it would make perfect sense to utilise bmi as their conduit for expanding the Star presence at LHR. Building the operation around the global needs of Star carriers that use LHR as a hub. Quite simply, forget how bmi have approached the airlines business in the past.
Possible expansion by bmi operating Long haul routes that are prohibitive to the larger Star airlines at present to less well known destinations that may be of benefit to Star as a whole. Opening up access of bmi slots to benefit other larger Star carriers."
I admire your apparent celebration of the union that is the 'Star' but nonetheless it is only an alliance. Any individual airline, whilst appeasing the shareholders, with only self satisfy. Perhaps the utopian global network exists elsewhere in the ether, but the reality is somewhat different.
The Dr.
"As the biggest player in the Star Alliance it would make perfect sense to utilise bmi as their conduit for expanding the Star presence at LHR. Building the operation around the global needs of Star carriers that use LHR as a hub. Quite simply, forget how bmi have approached the airlines business in the past.
Possible expansion by bmi operating Long haul routes that are prohibitive to the larger Star airlines at present to less well known destinations that may be of benefit to Star as a whole. Opening up access of bmi slots to benefit other larger Star carriers."
I admire your apparent celebration of the union that is the 'Star' but nonetheless it is only an alliance. Any individual airline, whilst appeasing the shareholders, with only self satisfy. Perhaps the utopian global network exists elsewhere in the ether, but the reality is somewhat different.
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Dr, a very valid point, but we are no longer merely in an alliance with Lufthansa. As a wholly-owned subsidiary (for the last 40 minutes anyway) we now have the potential to contribute to their bottom line.
According to Lufthansa's presentation to investors issued yesterday, we are another unit in the group, given similar same status as Swiss and SN Brussels.
Perhaps the utopian global network is on the way?
According to Lufthansa's presentation to investors issued yesterday, we are another unit in the group, given similar same status as Swiss and SN Brussels.
Perhaps the utopian global network is on the way?
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we are another unit in the group, given similar same status as Swiss and SN Brussels.
Perhaps the utopian global network is on the way?
Maybe. But I would sound a note of caution. There are references to the short-term where there is some rationalizartion and reconfiguration. Direct reference to the Emb re slots and paying the same landing fee as a 747.
Could be a very good sign. But could also entail short-term reconstruction.
Perhaps the utopian global network is on the way?
Maybe. But I would sound a note of caution. There are references to the short-term where there is some rationalizartion and reconfiguration. Direct reference to the Emb re slots and paying the same landing fee as a 747.
Could be a very good sign. But could also entail short-term reconstruction.
Welcome to Lufthansa - UK everyone. I hope all goes well for you and you start a new life working for Managers that can run an airline efficiently.
Good luck to you all
Good luck to you all
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"According to Lufthansa's presentation to investors issued yesterday, we are another unit in the group, given similar same status as Swiss and SN Brussels.
Perhaps the utopian global network is on the way?"
Thanks Carlton, but I was referring to the bmi position within the 'global' Star Alliance and not just within the LH group. bmi would of course expect to merge seamlessly into the LH family without hostility to other LH group carriers.
Perhaps the utopian global network is on the way?"
Thanks Carlton, but I was referring to the bmi position within the 'global' Star Alliance and not just within the LH group. bmi would of course expect to merge seamlessly into the LH family without hostility to other LH group carriers.
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Now that it's official, I was hoping to receive a little more than a memo from Nigel on the changes at board level which is essentially meaningless to staff at the operational level.
What we need is for the new Chairman to outline his aspirations and direction for the company, within the group and the marketplace, to quash any fears and stimulate enthusiasm.
A little public morale boosting is long overdue since the outgoing chairman was distinctly lacking in that department.
This deal was a long time in the making and it's imperative that the new chairman starts off on the right foot.
What we need is for the new Chairman to outline his aspirations and direction for the company, within the group and the marketplace, to quash any fears and stimulate enthusiasm.
A little public morale boosting is long overdue since the outgoing chairman was distinctly lacking in that department.
This deal was a long time in the making and it's imperative that the new chairman starts off on the right foot.
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bmi have three currently employed to Cairo,Tel Aviv and Saudi Arabia.
Bmi would be very foolish to try LHR-JFK as there is little *A feed beyond the New York terminal.
United couldn't even even make it work and they would be the *A feeder!
Further this route absolutely doesn't need ANY further capacity what so ever.
Bmi would be very foolish to try LHR-JFK as there is little *A feed beyond the New York terminal.
United couldn't even even make it work and they would be the *A feeder!
Further this route absolutely doesn't need ANY further capacity what so ever.
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There may be no feed from JFK but bmi are missing out on the revenue that could be earnt from all to passengers that transit onto the TLV / AMM / BEY / CAI from JFK.
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Well in the case of Cairo *A partner Egyptair fly DIRECT and as i keep pointing out if transit is necessary then *A partner LH will route you through FRA with NO ADP, or Transit Visas necessary.
Amman and Beirut well they continue to get quite a bit of traffic from the BA codeshare.
Any actual USA-Mid East connecting traffic is sufficiently routed via Washington/Chicago and LAX and of cause the Largest long haul *A operator at LHR Air Canada.
New York -LHR just DOES NOT figure in *A fact.
Amman and Beirut well they continue to get quite a bit of traffic from the BA codeshare.
Any actual USA-Mid East connecting traffic is sufficiently routed via Washington/Chicago and LAX and of cause the Largest long haul *A operator at LHR Air Canada.
New York -LHR just DOES NOT figure in *A fact.
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rutankrd, although LHR-New York is not currently a Star Alliance route, and even after Continental join will still be a small factor, the fact remains that it is one of the busiest longhaul routes in the world.
Although it is in cutthroat competition at the moment, it has in happier times supplied something like 65% of BA's profits. I would be greatly surprised if LH do not have a plan for the route- whether that plan involves bmi, however, I have no idea.
Although it is in cutthroat competition at the moment, it has in happier times supplied something like 65% of BA's profits. I would be greatly surprised if LH do not have a plan for the route- whether that plan involves bmi, however, I have no idea.
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Thanks for the answers.
I think LH have other problems (take over OS, SN and bmi) right now then opening NYLON but in the future when the economy is growing again (summer 2010) I could imagine something to come.
With CO joining STAR there will be STAR on NYLON.
London - New York market still evolving as Virgin Atlantic celebrates 25th anniversary on the route | anna.aero
I think LH have other problems (take over OS, SN and bmi) right now then opening NYLON but in the future when the economy is growing again (summer 2010) I could imagine something to come.
With CO joining STAR there will be STAR on NYLON.
London - New York market still evolving as Virgin Atlantic celebrates 25th anniversary on the route | anna.aero
