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Consultation feedback shows overwhelming support for Manston Airport DCO proposals
Sep 20, 2016
90% of local people who took part in the recent informal consultation by RiverOak Investments support proposals for reviving Manston Airport as an airfreight hub with complementary passenger and engineering services. A further 8% of respondents said they opposed the plans and 2% are not yet sure.
More than 800 responses were received by Bircham Dyson Bell, lawyers for RiverOak Investments, following the informal consultation events held in July. Of these, 332 were handed in during the six consultation events, 268 were emailed and a further 222 hard copies were posted.
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Consultation feedback shows overwhelming support for Manston Airport DCO proposals - RiverOak Investments Corp
RiverOak Investments responds to comments by Stone Hill Park - RiverOak Investments Corp
Sep 20, 2016
90% of local people who took part in the recent informal consultation by RiverOak Investments support proposals for reviving Manston Airport as an airfreight hub with complementary passenger and engineering services. A further 8% of respondents said they opposed the plans and 2% are not yet sure.
More than 800 responses were received by Bircham Dyson Bell, lawyers for RiverOak Investments, following the informal consultation events held in July. Of these, 332 were handed in during the six consultation events, 268 were emailed and a further 222 hard copies were posted.
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Consultation feedback shows overwhelming support for Manston Airport DCO proposals - RiverOak Investments Corp
RiverOak Investments responds to comments by Stone Hill Park - RiverOak Investments Corp
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Reading the link provided above, it seems that the changing of the guard has been rather more thorough than was anticipated..The back door method appears not to be an option now.
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Harry Wayfarers
11th Sep 2016 21:32
I read from an authoritative source that :
"By weight, fresh salmon is the top export from Heathrow"
So the plan is to airfreight Scottish Salmon out of Manston?
I read from an authoritative source that :
"By weight, fresh salmon is the top export from Heathrow"
I read from an authoritative source that :
"By weight, fresh salmon is the top export from Heathrow"
"By weight, fresh salmon is the top export from Heathrow"
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Good grief - even if it is, it will be in many smallish consignments in the belly of the numerous passenger aircraft operating to the extensive network of destinations that Manston cannot hope to replicate.
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Avia Solutions report for Thanet Council ‘irrelevant’ and ‘thin on evidence’ says RiverOak Investments
Oct 4, 2016
RiverOak Investments will be continuing to develop its exciting plans for Manston Airport given that Avia Solutions “does not offer any opinion about the reasonableness or otherwise of RiverOak’s commercial plans for the airport” making their report irrelevant. *
The report is also extremely thin when it comes to evidence on freight demand. The only ‘forecast’ they rely on is in fact a statement of freight volumes from 2000-2012, when it is widely accepted that there is a considerable and growing level of unsatisfied demand. The report bases its freight projections on a continuation of the current levels of growth and ignores the ample evidence from at least eight respected studies by the likes of Transport for London, the Centre for Economic and Business Research, Boeing and Oxford Economics, that air freight traffic levels in the UK are severely constrained due to the lack of runway capacity and there is enough demand to satisfy not only a thriving Manston in the future but also, in due course, a third runway at Heathrow too.
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Avia Solutions report for Thanet Council 'irrelevant' and 'thin on evidence' says RiverOak Investments - RiverOak Investments Corp
Oct 4, 2016
RiverOak Investments will be continuing to develop its exciting plans for Manston Airport given that Avia Solutions “does not offer any opinion about the reasonableness or otherwise of RiverOak’s commercial plans for the airport” making their report irrelevant. *
The report is also extremely thin when it comes to evidence on freight demand. The only ‘forecast’ they rely on is in fact a statement of freight volumes from 2000-2012, when it is widely accepted that there is a considerable and growing level of unsatisfied demand. The report bases its freight projections on a continuation of the current levels of growth and ignores the ample evidence from at least eight respected studies by the likes of Transport for London, the Centre for Economic and Business Research, Boeing and Oxford Economics, that air freight traffic levels in the UK are severely constrained due to the lack of runway capacity and there is enough demand to satisfy not only a thriving Manston in the future but also, in due course, a third runway at Heathrow too.
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Avia Solutions report for Thanet Council 'irrelevant' and 'thin on evidence' says RiverOak Investments - RiverOak Investments Corp
Stone Hill Park response to AviaSolutions Report
The report by AviaSolutions cuts through the fog of confusion, deliberately generated by some, to reach a clear conclusion - an airport is not viable on this site.
Talk is cheap, airports are not.
Riveroak and their supporters have talked the talk but have again been found wanting when given the opportunity to prove they have access to the £300m-£400m finances required to get an airport up and running - just as they were found wanting in two failed CPO attempts.
We would urge anyone with an interest in this site to read the Avia report. It’s a meticulous, independent, evidence based analysis of whether the site can be viable as an airport.
It uses actual freight and passenger figures from the past as well as industry recognised projections for the future. Leading aviation experts have been interviewed at length before conclusions are drawn.
These conclusions take into account the possible options concerning the expansion of Heathrow, Gatwick; both or neither.
The report illustrates how RiverOak just seem to be plucking numbers out of the air:
•They talk of attracting 500,000 tonnes of cargo, a tenfold increase on anything achieved in the past and contrary to the meticulous market projections of Avia.
•They talk of attracting two million air passengers within two years, again a tenfold increase on anything achieved in the past and contrary to all credible market projections.
•They talk of plans costing anything between £300m-£400m, but have failed to produce a shred of evidence to the public, to Thanet District Council or to Avia that they have such finance available.
RiverOak failed to deliver on their pledge for statutory consultation in September, they have promised this will take place in January 2017. We await with interest their estimate of how many flights, and in particular night flights, two million passengers and 500,000 tonnes of cargo will require.
They are like salesman going door to door to sell property that they don’t own.
Serious questions also need to be asked of the two MPs who continue to back this US company, come what may, regardless of all the evidence stacked against the long term viability of what they propose.
Sir Roger Gale in his backing of RiverOak keeps rolling the dice hoping a double six will turn up. It never will but he keeps gambling with the social and economic fabric of the area.
He has offered to stand down if RiverOak fail to win the DCO. That is his most sensible contribution to the debate so far. It should be a resignation resulting in an immediate by-election rather than waiting to retire in 2020.
Presumably Craig Mackinlay will hold himself to the same standard. His comments with regard the integrity of the Avia report are a disgrace.
Despite admitting he had only read two pages of the 86 page report, he described it as ‘bogus’ and said he was “very critical” of it.
He told BBC Radio Kent: “If you are paying the bill you can get reports written in a way that you may wish to have them read at the end of the day.”
Mr Mackinlay needs to be clear whether this is how he has commissioned reports in the past and is therefore judging others by his own standards.
Thanet needs MPs who will fight for what the area desperately needs, jobs and homes – not MPs who waste their time on flights of fancy which drain the public purse and have zero chance of ever getting off the ground.
Instead of shooting the messenger they should accept the reality that an airport is not viable.
What is deliverable and clearly viable – socially, economically and environmentally - are our plans for a mixed use development, creating much needed homes and jobs with new areas of open space as well as significant community and leisure facilities.
A development that will bring a multi-million pound boost to the local economy and hard pressed local councils.
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I'm imagining Manston's opening day. First arrival from Carlisle going through the water arch as a departure for Swansea taxis for the runway. Meanwhile cargo handlers are loading smoked salmon onto what will be the first international flight; the 0900 departure to Daugavpils International.
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There are plenty of disused military airfields in UK, I'm just suspicious why an American investment company are so very keen on Manston despite all the obstacles they face.
In my days in the RAF Manston was an ideal place to base a couple of yellow helicopters, during my days in a cargo airline Manston was a great place to send our DC8's for maintenance, the maintenance company were making good money, apparently the airport not.
Other disused military airfields and/or airports are far better placed for commercial operations than is Manston, Manston doesn't have the road infrastructure for cargo trucks back and forth, I doubt that it's runway is long enough for heavy freighters going off at MTOW, as somebody previously posted it has a catchment area of fish, the previous owner(s) p1ssed off the one serious carrier (KLM) the airport had managed to attract whilst Riveroak's seemingly appointed spokesperson on this forum appears to be sourcing what industry knowledge he has from google.
The previous owner bought Manston to make a PDQ profit selling it off for real estate, Stobart's bought Carlisle to build a warehouse upon, I can even recall the Co-Op buying Ipswich Airport with plans to build a supermarket upon,
So why are Riveroak so interested in Manston which shall for the foreseeable future struggle to make any profit if at all and why are Riveroak not interested in, let's say, Plymouth, Blackpool, Llanbedr, Newquay to name but four?
In my days in the RAF Manston was an ideal place to base a couple of yellow helicopters, during my days in a cargo airline Manston was a great place to send our DC8's for maintenance, the maintenance company were making good money, apparently the airport not.
Other disused military airfields and/or airports are far better placed for commercial operations than is Manston, Manston doesn't have the road infrastructure for cargo trucks back and forth, I doubt that it's runway is long enough for heavy freighters going off at MTOW, as somebody previously posted it has a catchment area of fish, the previous owner(s) p1ssed off the one serious carrier (KLM) the airport had managed to attract whilst Riveroak's seemingly appointed spokesperson on this forum appears to be sourcing what industry knowledge he has from google.
The previous owner bought Manston to make a PDQ profit selling it off for real estate, Stobart's bought Carlisle to build a warehouse upon, I can even recall the Co-Op buying Ipswich Airport with plans to build a supermarket upon,
So why are Riveroak so interested in Manston which shall for the foreseeable future struggle to make any profit if at all and why are Riveroak not interested in, let's say, Plymouth, Blackpool, Llanbedr, Newquay to name but four?
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It's deeply ironic that all over the country dying (and dead) airports have massive fan clubs while the UK's world class(ish) airport is fighting to be able to be allowed the expansion it and the country so obviously sorely need.
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Its probably a desperate attempt to keep housing and the nasty chavs it might bring, out of the equation