MD80 plane crash in Phuket, Sep. 07
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A very minor point here, but let's clarify for pilots outside of the US that Southwest Airlines, although it is called 'low cost', in general, has high salary airline staff. There appear to be misunderstandings about Southwest on Pprune among many foreign pilots. Maybe among US pilots and those who misrepresent themselves.
The phrase 'low-cost' is sometimes quite misleading, and seems to portray such pilots as being paid less than most other pilots who fly the same type.
At Southwest, the pilots are probably the highest-paid B-737 pilots in the Western Hemisphere, possibly in the whole world. This contradicts the common portrayal of 'low-cost' pilots. And at SWA they do not pay for trivial typical things such as a cup of coffee from the 737 galley, or for an airline ball point pen (Stilo, Kugel-), as is alleged at the European darling 'low-cost' carrier, RyanAir. The mentality is quite different.
And based on new contracts at several US major airlines, as we (here) are well aware, most of us could also be described as 'low-cost', when our hourly salaries are often similar to that at 'low-cost' carrier Airtran (formerly ValueJet, whose Upper Mgmt was so publicly shamed by its incompetent "leadership", so to speak, that it changed its name...). Airbus salaries for thousands of US pilots can also be less than for JetBlue A-320 pilots (where each pilot is reportedly an "Army of One", with individual contracts {divide and conquer}).
Those '757/767 hotels' can be very nice, if you have hotel language in your contract as good as that in Delta's contract.
A very minor point here, but let's clarify for pilots outside of the US that Southwest Airlines, although it is called 'low cost', in general, has high salary airline staff. There appear to be misunderstandings about Southwest on Pprune among many foreign pilots. Maybe among US pilots and those who misrepresent themselves.
The phrase 'low-cost' is sometimes quite misleading, and seems to portray such pilots as being paid less than most other pilots who fly the same type.
At Southwest, the pilots are probably the highest-paid B-737 pilots in the Western Hemisphere, possibly in the whole world. This contradicts the common portrayal of 'low-cost' pilots. And at SWA they do not pay for trivial typical things such as a cup of coffee from the 737 galley, or for an airline ball point pen (Stilo, Kugel-), as is alleged at the European darling 'low-cost' carrier, RyanAir. The mentality is quite different.
And based on new contracts at several US major airlines, as we (here) are well aware, most of us could also be described as 'low-cost', when our hourly salaries are often similar to that at 'low-cost' carrier Airtran (formerly ValueJet, whose Upper Mgmt was so publicly shamed by its incompetent "leadership", so to speak, that it changed its name...). Airbus salaries for thousands of US pilots can also be less than for JetBlue A-320 pilots (where each pilot is reportedly an "Army of One", with individual contracts {divide and conquer}).
Those '757/767 hotels' can be very nice, if you have hotel language in your contract as good as that in Delta's contract.
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...the note from the American pilot posted earlier has made it to the Daily Mail
The article refers to the writer as a "former pilot" and "former airline employee", things I did not gather from reading the post.
If he was not a former employee, I'm sure OX will try to make him one soon.
If he was not a former employee, I'm sure OX will try to make him one soon.
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Quite correct, Ignition override, there is a distinctive parallelity between pilot salary and airline safety.
But once again, it's not about low cost carrier. There is no real difference between low cost and other carriers, but between safety cultures.
Lots of main carrier in Asia have had a miserable safety record, if you look at Taiwan and Korea. Only after integrating rigid policies in western style, their situation has changed.
Probably the best indicator for a safe airline industry is the corruption index of a country. Also this is obvious. If there is no free trade and respect of your business partner, there is also no gain in producing safety.
In certain countries, I don't care if its a low cost or a main carrier, I just don't board the plane!
Dani
But once again, it's not about low cost carrier. There is no real difference between low cost and other carriers, but between safety cultures.
Lots of main carrier in Asia have had a miserable safety record, if you look at Taiwan and Korea. Only after integrating rigid policies in western style, their situation has changed.
Probably the best indicator for a safe airline industry is the corruption index of a country. Also this is obvious. If there is no free trade and respect of your business partner, there is also no gain in producing safety.
In certain countries, I don't care if its a low cost or a main carrier, I just don't board the plane!
Dani
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CFR Response; the following from Pom Pax:
The critical remarks seem to relate to the Swedish video. All the shots in this video have views from say 330 through to 135 degrees, nothing westerly from which the response was coming. Note the 09 distance remaining board 4 so the scene is a mile from 27 threshold. Now the firetrucks are to the south and the accident is to the north, so say a total of 1.2 miles to travel from a standing start in a heavily loaden truck with atleast 2 turns on a wet surface. Required average to be there in 1 min 72 m.p.h.!!!!!!!!! The final tenth on grass with a limestoney derived clay base (glue?).
Some later still shots show 2 sets of tracks on the grass indicating considerable wheel spin from the 2 heavy fire trucks.
Some later still shots show 2 sets of tracks on the grass indicating considerable wheel spin from the 2 heavy fire trucks.
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Quite correct, Ignition override, there is a distinctive parallelity between pilot salary and airline safety.
But once again, it's not about low cost carrier. There is no real difference between low cost and other carriers, but between safety cultures.
Lots of main carrier in Asia have had a miserable safety record, if you look at Taiwan and Korea. Only after integrating rigid policies in western style, their situation has changed.
Probably the best indicator for a safe airline industry is the corruption index of a country. Also this is obvious. If there is no free trade and respect of your business partner, there is also no gain in producing safety.
In certain countries, I don't care if its a low cost or a main carrier, I just don't board the plane!
But once again, it's not about low cost carrier. There is no real difference between low cost and other carriers, but between safety cultures.
Lots of main carrier in Asia have had a miserable safety record, if you look at Taiwan and Korea. Only after integrating rigid policies in western style, their situation has changed.
Probably the best indicator for a safe airline industry is the corruption index of a country. Also this is obvious. If there is no free trade and respect of your business partner, there is also no gain in producing safety.
In certain countries, I don't care if its a low cost or a main carrier, I just don't board the plane!
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From todays Nation newspaper
Chaisak Angsuwan, director-general of the Civil Aviation Department said One-Two-Go Flight 0G029's pilot had retracted the landing gear when the plane was 100 feet above the ground so he could ascend, said
Chaisak, a director of Airports of Thailand (AOT), he told the AOT board yesterday the plane's wheels did not touch the runway at the time of the accident.
Chaisak Angsuwan, director-general of the Civil Aviation Department said One-Two-Go Flight 0G029's pilot had retracted the landing gear when the plane was 100 feet above the ground so he could ascend, said
Chaisak, a director of Airports of Thailand (AOT), he told the AOT board yesterday the plane's wheels did not touch the runway at the time of the accident.
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Flight Recorders
Today's Bangkok Post has the following news item:-
"Department of Civil Aviation chief Chaisak Angsuwan said the process will take about a week.
After that, information will be forwarded to a committee investigating air crash, which will be chaired by permanent secretary of Transport Ministry, to verify the information and result.
Mr Chaisak said information will be revealed to public briefly, adding that detailed information will not be made public as they do not want to point their finger to the one responsible for the crash."
They do not want to point their finger to the one responsible for the crash! Is this yet another example of ass-covering?
"Department of Civil Aviation chief Chaisak Angsuwan said the process will take about a week.
After that, information will be forwarded to a committee investigating air crash, which will be chaired by permanent secretary of Transport Ministry, to verify the information and result.
Mr Chaisak said information will be revealed to public briefly, adding that detailed information will not be made public as they do not want to point their finger to the one responsible for the crash."
They do not want to point their finger to the one responsible for the crash! Is this yet another example of ass-covering?
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Politicians and/or political appointees know about as much of aviation as some of the more insane posts on accident threads.
Finger pointing might start when the investigation is completed but at this juncture everything you read in the media, especially here is basically garbage.
Finger pointing might start when the investigation is completed but at this juncture everything you read in the media, especially here is basically garbage.
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maybe the a CB was the approach path of Rw27? so the capt decides its better to land with 10kt tailwind
VTSP 161030Z 29011KT 3000 -RA SCT015 BKN110 BKN300 25/24 Q1006 A2973
VTSP 161000Z 27009KT 3000 RA SCT015 BKN110 BKN300 25/24 Q1006 A2973
VTSP 160930Z 27008KT 3000 RA SCT015 BKN110 BKN300 23/22 Q1006 2972
VTSP 160900Z 27012KT 1000 RA SCT015 BKN110 BKN300 24/23 Q1006 2973
VTSP 160830Z 24012KT 4000 SCT015 BKN110 BKN300 26/24 Q1006 A2971 VCSH NW
VTSP 160800Z 27007KT 4000 SCT015 BKN110 BKN300 26/24 Q1006 A2972 VCSH N
VTSP NIL
VTSP 160700Z 33003KT 3000 -RA SCT015 BKN110 BKN300 25/24 Q1007 A2975
VTSP 160630Z 33004KT 3000 -RA SCT015 BKN110 BKN300 25/24 Q1007 A2976
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Ignition Override:
or for an airline ball point pen (Stilo, Kugel-), as is alleged at the European darling 'low-cost' carrier, RyanAir.
or for an airline ball point pen (Stilo, Kugel-), as is alleged at the European darling 'low-cost' carrier, RyanAir.
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In certain countries, I don't care if its a low cost or a main carrier, I just don't board the plane!
Dani
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Would you board the national carrier in Thailand ?
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In certain countries, I don't care if its a low cost or a main carrier, I just don't board the plane!
Dani
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Would you board the national carrier in Thailand ?
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About as clear as mud!
Once again in todays Bangkok Post is this excerpt re the flight recorders
As readers peruse this newspaper, experts in several countries are well at work unravelling the facts around the last flight of the One-Two-Go plane. In due course, these facts will be known, and probably made public.
".....probably made public?" After all the media attention and speculation, whatever is determined, should be available not only to the aviation industry but the travelling public at large!
As readers peruse this newspaper, experts in several countries are well at work unravelling the facts around the last flight of the One-Two-Go plane. In due course, these facts will be known, and probably made public.
".....probably made public?" After all the media attention and speculation, whatever is determined, should be available not only to the aviation industry but the travelling public at large!
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The non Thais were "proudly" phased out in the wake of the 1997 financial crisis.
I try to avoid the A300 between BKK and HKT, otherwise I am quite relaxed flying J class on the 777 and 744 on that particular run.
One should bear in mind that the alternatives to air travel within Thailand are really quite unpalatable.
But my preferred carrier to HKT is MI by a long stretch.
I try to avoid the A300 between BKK and HKT, otherwise I am quite relaxed flying J class on the 777 and 744 on that particular run.
One should bear in mind that the alternatives to air travel within Thailand are really quite unpalatable.
But my preferred carrier to HKT is MI by a long stretch.
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One should bear in mind that the alternatives to air travel within Thailand are really quite unpalatable.
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Thai Carriers
I spent most of my life living and flying in BKK for a few airlines. Orient Thai was ATROCIOUS. So was Thai Sky and Phuket Air. I could probably guess that a bad airplane combined with poor pilots was the excact reason for this. Who would land in Phuket with short runway, dangerous terrain, one Ils and one VOR? Not to point all the blame there, but Udom, the owner, would fire people for not breaking rules, even filling out the log book. If you could get ahold of them, they all say -nil. This is 1-2-Go's fault and mor specifically Orient Thai. Here is why... one time I got off of STBY at 8:00 pm. I had a few drinks with my girl before preparing for sleep. Scheduling calls me for a last minute Chaing Mai run. I inform them that I have condumed 5 glasses of jack and Coke. Do you know what they said???????? It's only a short flight and the Captain will do both legs... there is no one else! (I refused) I have a million other stories similar to this one which eventually got me dismissed for refusing to take a peice of 
airplane int CHina at night in bad weather. These people are dead because of CEO Udom, no one and nothing else. I hope it ruins them!
airplane int CHina at night in bad weather. These people are dead because of CEO Udom, no one and nothing else. I hope it ruins them!