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LAX also allows some connection possibilities for people taking the westbound route to New Zealand and to a lesser extent Australia.
It used to allow the only one change service to New Zealand, although that may be possible using some of the Middle-East routes now.
It used to allow the only one change service to New Zealand, although that may be possible using some of the Middle-East routes now.
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From past comments on the EI performance on their west coast routes, SFO was apparently the better performing route with a better mix of business and tourist travel. Hope EI will go for SFO again. San Francisco is a far more beautiful city than Los Angeles.
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not enough aircraft to do both.
Also Aer Lingus used a North American Airlines B757 (N755NA) on lasts nights BOS - SNN which is only arriving now.
Todays 13.30 to JFK is est at 21.00 and no departure time available for tonights JFK - SNN. Will this be done with the B757 or EI A330.
Is the A330 tech in SNN or BOS?
Also Aer Lingus used a North American Airlines B757 (N755NA) on lasts nights BOS - SNN which is only arriving now.
Todays 13.30 to JFK is est at 21.00 and no departure time available for tonights JFK - SNN. Will this be done with the B757 or EI A330.
Is the A330 tech in SNN or BOS?
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It would be great if Aer Lingus wet leased a B757 from a company like North American Airlines and tested a Cork-New York service for next summer's schedule. Ditto for Belfast for a North American route. Perhaps even using EI's remaining fleet of A321 with an extra fuel tank
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Of course there are enough aircraft to serve both LAX and SFO - it all depends on frequency of service but the down side is for example, the cost of 2 sets of check on desks, 2 baggage handling contracts etc.
Do you not think that if Cork-US was viable, United Continental would have tried it to EWR or Delta could have to JFK? As for Belfast, if United Continental is struggling, how could someone else coming it make a go of it?
Do you not think that if Cork-US was viable, United Continental would have tried it to EWR or Delta could have to JFK? As for Belfast, if United Continental is struggling, how could someone else coming it make a go of it?
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CCR,
why would EI want to compete against themselves for BFS traffic ?
An increasing number of N.I psgrs are opting to use DUB becuase of the high APD levels fm BFS.
CO are already threatening to pull BFS/EWR because some of the potential traffic on theis route is travelling DUB/EWR to avoid APD .
why would EI want to compete against themselves for BFS traffic ?
An increasing number of N.I psgrs are opting to use DUB becuase of the high APD levels fm BFS.
CO are already threatening to pull BFS/EWR because some of the potential traffic on theis route is travelling DUB/EWR to avoid APD .
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While a Cork-JFK/EWR route would be nice, the reallity is that with the opening of the Shannon tunnel 20 minutes has been knocked off the journey time, also US customs/immigration clearence is also a big bonus, so a Cork route would also have to be priced compeditly. Would a 757 be able to take able to take off fully loaded from Cork considering the runway is 2133 mtrs?
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Start US from BFS or ORK would affect DUB and SNN no matter what way you look at it and EI are not going to do that.
clareview think EI-EIDW meant what you said. We still need to remember EI were only talking about further cost cutting measures a few months back so starting 2 west cost would be very costly and not a good move by EI. Personally SFO would be a better option.
clareview think EI-EIDW meant what you said. We still need to remember EI were only talking about further cost cutting measures a few months back so starting 2 west cost would be very costly and not a good move by EI. Personally SFO would be a better option.
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Yes I think it's more likely that United/Continental or another US carrier will probably fly into Cork before EI ever get around to it. A fully loaded 757 from Cork to New York is possible from Cork's runway length.
As for Belfast, EI did a transatlantic service to the US before via Shannon so it's a possibility in better economic times of something like a Belfast-Shannon-Chicago service.
As for Belfast, EI did a transatlantic service to the US before via Shannon so it's a possibility in better economic times of something like a Belfast-Shannon-Chicago service.
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There is no way in hell EI are going to start TAs from either Cork or Belfast in the near future. Doing so would only take passengers that already travel from either Dub Or Snn. Why would you increase costs while splitting revenue? They did look(or more likely glance) at converting 321s, but the cost outweighed the potential benefit. Wet-leasing something like a 757 is allowed by employee agreements, but refer to point 1 again.
With the improvements in the Republics road networks I think it is unlikely that we will see ANY longhaul routes out of Cork or Belfast, nor any expansion of existing routes from Shannon in the medium to long term.
Next route we are likely to see is a west coast from Dublin, but that may be a couple of years away yet.
With the improvements in the Republics road networks I think it is unlikely that we will see ANY longhaul routes out of Cork or Belfast, nor any expansion of existing routes from Shannon in the medium to long term.
Next route we are likely to see is a west coast from Dublin, but that may be a couple of years away yet.
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[QUOTE] Next route we are likely to see is a west coast from Dublin, but that may be a couple of years away yet./QUOTE]
Yet the story that a lot of us have heard is that LAX or SFO will start back again next March.
Yet the story that a lot of us have heard is that LAX or SFO will start back again next March.
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Hope that rumour is true and SFO is back on the EI network next year.
Just a point of info, Belfast already has a North American route with United/Continental.
As regards a US route from Cork affecting Shannon operations, I think it would to a limited extend but the vast majority of transatlantic travel to/from Cork goes via London Heathrow rather than Shannon.
Just a point of info, Belfast already has a North American route with United/Continental.
As regards a US route from Cork affecting Shannon operations, I think it would to a limited extend but the vast majority of transatlantic travel to/from Cork goes via London Heathrow rather than Shannon.
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As regards a US route from Cork affecting Shannon operations, I think it would to a limited extend but the vast majority of transatlantic travel to/from Cork goes via London Heathrow rather than Shannon.
Yes ccr it does and for good reason, one stop in LHR and then you can pretty much go direct to your destination as choice out of LHR is so vast. Flying out of SNN or A supposed ORK/NY you still have to stop in NY and then go on. So what I was getting at was you are reducing the SNN traffic if you start a ORK service. Those who fly out of LHR do it for better connectivity or better price.
As for traffic inbound from the States, the 2 keys are connectivity and price. Americans are used to traveling long distances by car so when they are told that Shannon is less than 100 miles from the Blarney stone-they think nothing of it.
Realistically, Cork is unlikely to see a direct US service. Ireland had 15 years of dramatic growth with a big increase in peoples disposable incomes. On the back of that EI, FR and Aer Arann based aircraft there to serve that demand. Cork even had its own airline, remember JetMagic? If there was not enough demand then for a profitable and sustainable direct US service, there certainly is not one now, and with the improvements in the roads network, there is unlikely to be one in the future.
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ps have heard those rumours about west coast for next year too.
Yes ccr it does and for good reason, one stop in LHR and then you can pretty much go direct to your destination as choice out of LHR is so vast. Flying out of SNN or A supposed ORK/NY you still have to stop in NY and then go on. So what I was getting at was you are reducing the SNN traffic if you start a ORK service. Those who fly out of LHR do it for better connectivity or better price.
As for traffic inbound from the States, the 2 keys are connectivity and price. Americans are used to traveling long distances by car so when they are told that Shannon is less than 100 miles from the Blarney stone-they think nothing of it.
Realistically, Cork is unlikely to see a direct US service. Ireland had 15 years of dramatic growth with a big increase in peoples disposable incomes. On the back of that EI, FR and Aer Arann based aircraft there to serve that demand. Cork even had its own airline, remember JetMagic? If there was not enough demand then for a profitable and sustainable direct US service, there certainly is not one now, and with the improvements in the roads network, there is unlikely to be one in the future.
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ps have heard those rumours about west coast for next year too.
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Quick question for someone in the know.
I was in SNN today and the announced that an aer lingus flight from boston had arrived. But the only plane i could see was a north american 757. Where they subbed in for EI?
I was in SNN today and the announced that an aer lingus flight from boston had arrived. But the only plane i could see was a north american 757. Where they subbed in for EI?
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I was in SNN today and the announced that an aer lingus flight from boston had arrived. But the only plane i could see was a north american 757. Where they subbed in for EI?
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Think A330 is tech.
The North American 757 is operating Sundays SNN - JFK -SNN and Mondays SNN - JFK -SNN delayed the same as Sundays JFK flight.
Not 100% sure about the 757 operate those flights but EI flight info suggests it is operateing them.
The North American 757 is operating Sundays SNN - JFK -SNN and Mondays SNN - JFK -SNN delayed the same as Sundays JFK flight.
Not 100% sure about the 757 operate those flights but EI flight info suggests it is operateing them.
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Of course there are enough aircraft to serve both LAX and SFO - it all depends on frequency of service but the down side is for example, the cost of 2 sets of check on desks, 2 baggage handling contracts etc.
Each route will be treated on an individual basis for both contribution and profitability analysis. The multiplicity of ground costs etc. at two outstations is irrelevant because each route will be treated on a marginal costing basis with the relevant non operational overheads attributable thereafter.
The current Long Haul schedule is refined in so far as is possible in order to generate the maximum contribution to service the various fixed costs on the aircraft frames and also to ultimately attempt to generate a profit on Long Haul Operations as a whole.
EI will no longer operate routes that don't fulfill the above criteria as such - especially under the focus of C Mueller who intensely promotes financially positive capacity management.
EI - DUB-SFO in 2012? With an additional A332 becoming available, who knows? I think it's a very strong contender. Ends Corneille previously stated that DUB-West Coast would not be operable whereby the price of Brent crude exceeded US$80 per barrel. EI now commands up to 50% less from J pax on it's Long Haul routes compared with peak prices of the past. Y fares are also down by at least 20% from their peak. Continual high yielding cargo volumes or exceptional year round loads at the abovementioned prices would be a criterion to make a West Coast return profitable, considering current operating costs.
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