Aer Lingus - 5

[bucko]

'Ryanair will now focus all of our energies on continuing to successfully grow and develop Ireland's biggest airline,' chief executive Michael O'Leary said.

Seems to imply that the takeover bid is over for now.

[rubik101]

I think you stir things up with an oar, rather than some unrefined mineral deposits.
Aer Lingus will succumb eventually; it is just a matter of time.

[Parson]

I think it's only a matter of time because;

1. Aer Lingus will soon realise they are too small to survive alone,
2. Senior Aer Lingus staff will see the writing on the wall and cash in their share options before they drop significantly, and
3. MOL will not give up

Be very sad when it happens

[bia botal]

'Ryanair will now focus all of our energies on continuing to successfully grow and develop Ireland's biggest airline,' chief executive Michael O'Leary said.

Seems to imply that the takeover bid is over for now.

I agree, he will just wait another year, which will be with out a doubt one of the toughest year any of us will ever see, where in a 737,800 or 321 we will think 120 is a good load, and when the aer lingus share price has dropped off the cliff, he will bid again, this time with spiralling unemployment and debt in ireland the irish goverment will most likely accept. Then the real fun will begin........

[840]

To leave talk of the takeover bid aside for a while, would anyone care to comment on whether we're likely to see Aer Lingus expand in the Republic of Ireland again.

It's been a while since we've seen aircraft and routes added to the bases in Dublin and Cork and it seems the focus has been on expansion elsewhere - Belfast, Gatwick, Washington.

I guess with the higher costs involved and the weaker economy in Ireland, it doesn't make much business sense, so maybe the answer is No.

[EI-CFC]

Well the seem to be reconsidering the abandonment of LAX, which is probably a good thing.

As for the United/Aer Lingus tie-up for MAD - IAD, it seems like absolute nonsense. I just can't see any logic in it at all, to be honest. I'm not sure which part of their respective marbles they've lost - unless they are hedging their bets and hoping for a severe restriction of ownership rules in the future which would allow United gobble up EI and get a foothold in the EU. That's a wild bet to make though..

[KeMac]

Is there anywhere on the internet that deals with Aer Lingus History?

I am trying to find out about a Pan Am Boeing 707 N408PA that operated flights for Aer Lingus in 1977. I wanted to know if it was leased and how long for and if there were any others.

Thanks

Kemac

[Charlie Roy]

Share prices

Looks like a freefall as expected by MOL after the government rejects takeover!!

Doesn't a falling share price mean people are selling their shares.
Question is who's buying / going to buy these cheap shares. Ryanair again?

[waffler]

So what has Micheal achieved with his latest solo run?
1 :He has wasted his time and Ryanairs money for failure yet again.
2 :He has empowered his rival in Ireland to look for suitors (United and BA) with results.
3 :The Irish government have now clarified their position as regards selling to Ryanair and if they wont sell the EU will not approve.
4 :He has helped Aer Lingus management strike a deal with the unions in their favour using O Leary as the bogeyman.
5 :He has caused the Aer Lingus share price to slide while gloating,forgetting that his company have wasted 500 million Euro that they will need soon on an almost 30% share, for no benifit.
6 : To do this once is bad enough, to do it twice with the same results to enact a personnal vendetta is pschotic.
7 : They now have competition on the Shannon to London and Knock to London routes
When will the board of Ryanair grow a pair and realise that this man is now a liability.

[OntimeexceptACARS]

Aer Lingus and N408PA

2 sources I checked doesn't show N408PA as ever operating for EIN. UETD shows no PanAm B707s operating for EIN at all.

OTEA

[johnrizzo2000]

EI is launching IAD-MAD; MAD being somewhere they wouldnt open a base, so I see this as a good move.

They are expanding beyond Ireland, with a base in LGW, and expanding with long-haul ex IAD, in co-operating with UA. This proves EI will fight to survive, and is moving closer to UA, a major carrier, which is a good sign

As long as EI can confirm the IAD-MAD route and the 3 aircraft that will be eventually used on IAD-Europe routes, will be additional a/c sourced, and not compromise future growth from existing bases, well then EI will have support from th public, staff etc

[KeMac]

Thanks OTEA -My source is SCAN (Scottish Air News) which states that Pan Am 707 N408PA arrived at Glasgow Abbotsinch on 3 August 1977 at 13.23 and departed back to Dublin at 14.43 operating Flight nos EI 1224 and EI 1225 for Aer Lingus. It was the first visit by a Pan Am aircraft to Abbotsinch as well. It does seem odd I have to say. There is a mention of flights to Abbotsinch in April 1978 by 707s belonging to Montana Austria (OE-INA and OE-IRA) for Aer Lingus but no more about N408PA and I have not been able to find out anymore about it which is why I thought I would try here.
Many Thanks anyway
Kemac

[IB4138]

In 1977, I recall a PanAm 707 being used to take Liverpool FC supporters to Rome for the European Cup Final. Could this have been an Aer Lingus sub charter?

[nivsy]

Actually somewhere in the cobwebs of my mind I think the Pan Am B707 did visit Glasgow on EI flight back in late seventies.

I remember that there was a period of Industrial action that went on for a number of weeks and EI grabbed any avaialable aircraft to continue some operational flights.

I certainly remember the Montana flights whistling in on some of the evening EI flights into Glasgow from Dublin (were they not B720's?).

I am sure EI also utilised other operators during that time (it was winter period I think right enough).


Nivsy

[KeMac]

Nivsy - That sounds about right. The Montanas were OE-IRN and OE-IRA, there is a picture on airliners.net of one of them in 1978 waiting to take passengers to Malaga from Dublin and it says that Aer Lingus brought in extra capacity around this time.
Thanks
Kemac

[Tom the Tenor]

There was a big Aer Lingus strike in March, 1978. Easter was early that year and amongst other frames Aer Lingus hired in were the the two Montana Boeing 707-138s (ex QF), Air Malta Boeing 720, Dan Air Comet, SATA Caravelle, British Caledonian 707 for New York.

It was an interesting few weeks one which I will remember because of the road traffic accident in which I was the star. I was coming down from Cork on my bike late on Holy Thursday after the arrival of the SATA Caravelle when a car collided with me broadside on and I learned quickly how to fly, I mean that as I was literally catapulted right through the air.

As they say it is not the fall that kills you it is the sudden stop!

[KeMac]

IB4138 - Your memory is good, the aircraft apparently was N887PA on 25th/26th May 1977, and operated Heathrow-Speke-Rome/Rome-Speke-Cologne but no Aer Lingus conection and it still does not help me with N408PA (with thanks to Phil Butler for the info on N887PA). Thanks to all for your help and I am sorry to have interrupted the thread. I will say in my defence that my father flew DC 3s for Aer Lingus and I have a long interest in the airline and its fortunes!

[Faire d'income]

I think it's only a matter of time because;

1. Aer Lingus will soon realise they are too small to survive alone,

The person who announced that they were too small to survive is the same person trying to buy them. His propaganda refers to one line in an analysts report. He fails to mention that the consolidation scenarios referred to in that report had one scenario with Aer Lingus still surviving in 2015 and one without. The one without was if oil was >$200 a barrel. Others now merely quote him without checking the reference.

2. Senior Aer Lingus staff will see the writing on the wall and cash in their share options before they drop significantly,

What writing on what wall would see turkeys vote for Christmas? Are you serious? Senior Aer Lingus staff would move to Abu Graib before working for him.
and

3. MOL will not give up

There is no dispute on this. Expect takeover attempts three and four to happen. Meanwhile the uncertainty will see Aer Lingus remain in limbo and Ryanair to continue contradictory decision making such as taking delivery of new and grounding old aircraft at the same time. Both airlines will struggle as a result of his inability to move on.

Be very sad when it happens

[apaddyinuk]

People have been claiming that Aer Lingus will never survive since the early 90's and the days of the Cahill Plan, ah well, whats the bones of 20 years?

[h&s]

does ryanair is not just trying to sell all is shares that are a big financial burden for them? They know they will never take control of EI (europen commission refused, and will highly probably again refuse it) so they announce another bid, EI share price increases, and then they sell all their shares at a higher price...

I said that 2 months ago. Everybody knew the take over won't be succesful. So, I know ryanair is the low brain airline, but I can't understand why they tried again except if this is to sell their shares now to make less looses than 3 months ago. What a waste of money and energy...

1 :He has wasted his time and Ryanairs money for failure yet again.

Absolutely

6 : To do this once is bad enough, to do it twice with the same results to enact a personnal vendetta is pschotic.

true and funny

7 : They now have competition on the Shannon to London and Knock to London routes

true and indeed non sense

When will the board of Ryanair grow a pair and realise that this man is now a liability.

Then I disagree. Problem is that all the directors here are even worst than MOL!
Definitely the low brain airline