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Well said PeterP and totally agree with you. I know it is easy think about next years routes (or lack of) but I think we need to look longer term, particularly in the current climate
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KLM issues
I have heard KLM has at least 6 of their Fokkers in un-expected maintanence.
I suspect this is the reason for the number of flights they have been cancelling on their regional flights lately.
I suspect this is the reason for the number of flights they have been cancelling on their regional flights lately.
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Pullmantur Air B747-400
Servisair had a Pullmantur Air B747-400 on Friday operating direct to YYC with 300 soldiers and weapons/baggage. From what I hear, they had very little notification about this flight so did it really well !!!!
Quite a sight and nice change having a large aircraft on the ground in between all of the J31s, J41s and Dash 8's.
It is due back in tonight from YYC - makes another change having "Calgary" on the arrivals board in between "Palma" and "Alicante".
Quite a sight and nice change having a large aircraft on the ground in between all of the J31s, J41s and Dash 8's.
It is due back in tonight from YYC - makes another change having "Calgary" on the arrivals board in between "Palma" and "Alicante".
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"Agreed, MonkeyB. BRS has a record of such comments ... little digs at CWL. Always thought this approach was a touch adolescent."
Oh for gods sake, get over yourself mate, where in the report by "Wales on line" does its say Bristol airport says... blah blah blah, answer is no where!!!!
Read the flippin report correctly, it says the AIRLINE has changed its time after feedback to THEM from WELSH TRAVELLERS!!!
No where in this report has BRS airport commented or "digged at CWL".
Adolescent???
Monkey B is correct, this is a bit of pointless journalism, but dont blame BRS for the decision of an airline, I'm sure BRS would of been happier keeping the slot 1 departures with 3 flights a day, meaning they kept the aircraft overnight, thus more money, now the SN does not night stop. Why would BRS boast to the press about losing a 7 flights a week to a major european captial city, no offence but use some logic next time Peter P
Oh for gods sake, get over yourself mate, where in the report by "Wales on line" does its say Bristol airport says... blah blah blah, answer is no where!!!!
Read the flippin report correctly, it says the AIRLINE has changed its time after feedback to THEM from WELSH TRAVELLERS!!!
No where in this report has BRS airport commented or "digged at CWL".
Adolescent???
Monkey B is correct, this is a bit of pointless journalism, but dont blame BRS for the decision of an airline, I'm sure BRS would of been happier keeping the slot 1 departures with 3 flights a day, meaning they kept the aircraft overnight, thus more money, now the SN does not night stop. Why would BRS boast to the press about losing a 7 flights a week to a major european captial city, no offence but use some logic next time Peter P
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Brussels Airlines
The Brussels Airlines ARJ-operated BRU-BRS-BRU was reduced from 3 x weekdaily to 2 x weekdaily last year. Some years ago it was 4 x weekdaily under Brussels Airlines’ predecessors, still with ARJ equipment.
Until this summer there was a late evening inbound which night-stopped and went back to BRU early in the morning, together with another rotation later in the day.
This year the night-stopping ceased and, instead, an inbound has been arriving at BRS from BRU at 0705, departing back to BRU at 0735. The second rotation of the day arrives at BRS mid-evening and again returns half an hour later. The timetable shows no alteration to this rotation.
The re-scheduling from the end of this month (according to the SN timetable) sees the morning inbound arriving at BRS at 1010 before returning to BRU half an hour later.
It means that meaningful day trips to Brussels will become next to impossible which, if the airline’s statement as reported in the newspaper in question is correct, could mean SN attaches significant importance to South Wales business passengers. How much this says about the profile of the passengers overall is open to all sorts of interpretations from those of us who are not SN insiders.
I've used the service and a 0735 departure is much more preferable to me than a 1040 one. Half the day will be over before one arrives in Brussels. But I'm a leisure traveller these days.
There will continue to be one rotation on Sundays.
I agree with WATABENCH that this is an airline decision and there is nothing in it for Bristol Airport to crow about, even if it wanted to and I see no evidence that it did.
Until this summer there was a late evening inbound which night-stopped and went back to BRU early in the morning, together with another rotation later in the day.
This year the night-stopping ceased and, instead, an inbound has been arriving at BRS from BRU at 0705, departing back to BRU at 0735. The second rotation of the day arrives at BRS mid-evening and again returns half an hour later. The timetable shows no alteration to this rotation.
The re-scheduling from the end of this month (according to the SN timetable) sees the morning inbound arriving at BRS at 1010 before returning to BRU half an hour later.
It means that meaningful day trips to Brussels will become next to impossible which, if the airline’s statement as reported in the newspaper in question is correct, could mean SN attaches significant importance to South Wales business passengers. How much this says about the profile of the passengers overall is open to all sorts of interpretations from those of us who are not SN insiders.
I've used the service and a 0735 departure is much more preferable to me than a 1040 one. Half the day will be over before one arrives in Brussels. But I'm a leisure traveller these days.
There will continue to be one rotation on Sundays.
I agree with WATABENCH that this is an airline decision and there is nothing in it for Bristol Airport to crow about, even if it wanted to and I see no evidence that it did.
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Who gives a monkey about the BRS-BRU route, in reality there should really be a CWL-BRU route. BA Express managed it well with a J41, Air Wales with an ATR did not do so well and Eastern with their J41 did not even give it a chance !!!!
Surely this route must be on the "wish list" with Airport Authority ?
What about Flybe and their routes for Summer 2009 - any new destinations in the pipeline yet ?
Anyone heard on who will be looking after Fly Globespan - will it be Aviance or Servisair ???????
Any more news on the Monarch A321 base - I have heard that it could even be "W" patterns, up to 5 flights a week to Spain and Med hotspots.
Surely this route must be on the "wish list" with Airport Authority ?
What about Flybe and their routes for Summer 2009 - any new destinations in the pipeline yet ?
Anyone heard on who will be looking after Fly Globespan - will it be Aviance or Servisair ???????
Any more news on the Monarch A321 base - I have heard that it could even be "W" patterns, up to 5 flights a week to Spain and Med hotspots.
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KL and CWL - are they serious?
Three journeys and three cancellations in and out of CWL in the past four weeks for me.
KL tell me there's been a flood in their Fokker maintenance stores. However, with two out of four KL flights ex Cardiff cancelled today Monday we all should wonder how serious they are about this route.
KL tell me there's been a flood in their Fokker maintenance stores. However, with two out of four KL flights ex Cardiff cancelled today Monday we all should wonder how serious they are about this route.
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listening to real radio (welsh radio channel) last weekend. The weather forecast was sponsored by Monarch airlines. Why would Monarch be advertising in Wales when their closest base is miles away. Is this a bit of forward planning by them before launching a Base at Cwl. Anybody have any views.
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It could be something....or nothing!
Flybe were the main sponsors for ITV's regional weather in Bristol with a big splodge on BRS right after they pulled the plug on all but one route from there.
If I was head of PR at a nationwide airline / tour operator, I would advertise further than my main catchment area....especially with the demise of XL and the good publicity they have recieved through Celbrity Air (or whatever its called?).
Real radio is a chain of stations that covers a large area of the UK. Monarch has probably sponsored all the company's weather ads as they are never far from one of the airports they use....MAN, BHX, LBA, EDI, GLA, BRS, EMA, NCL and BHX are all in the catchment area.
Flybe were the main sponsors for ITV's regional weather in Bristol with a big splodge on BRS right after they pulled the plug on all but one route from there.
If I was head of PR at a nationwide airline / tour operator, I would advertise further than my main catchment area....especially with the demise of XL and the good publicity they have recieved through Celbrity Air (or whatever its called?).
Real radio is a chain of stations that covers a large area of the UK. Monarch has probably sponsored all the company's weather ads as they are never far from one of the airports they use....MAN, BHX, LBA, EDI, GLA, BRS, EMA, NCL and BHX are all in the catchment area.
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SN attach importance to S. Wales business travellers, good grief, with the old early morning flight I could fly out, have a day long meeting and then fly back in the evening.
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Football / Rugby flights
I see these have at long last started to roll in............so far the following are listed in the FIDs :
European Air Charter B737-200 CWL-DUS-CWL
European Air Charter B737-200 CWL-CPH-CWL
Skyblue Airways ATR42 CWL-VBS-CWL
Pronair Airlines MD87 PGF-CWL-PGF
Air Southwest DH8 GLA-CWL
Aer Lingus A330 DUB-CWL-DUB
Aer Lingus A321 DUB-CWL-DUB
Not forgetting the Monarch B757 flights to ACE, LPA, DLM, TFS for Thomas Cook at the end of October - fingers crossed the yellow aircraft will be a permanent fixture by Summer 2009 at CWL.
There was another Pullmantur Air B747-400 flight on Monday operating CWL-YYC direct, this time only 122 troops plus equipment, weapons & baggage - would have been cheaper to fly them on a RAF VC10 or Tristar !! There is a VC10 parked up at RAF St Athan !!
Jet 2 are operating the Thomas Cook BRS-SSH flight this winter instead of XL Airways - anyone know what is happening with the CWL-SSH flight for Thomas Cook or will they just share on the Thomsonfly flight ? Surely this route must have sold quite well so it will be hard to combine 2 flights on one aircraft.................we may gain another carrier on this !
European Air Charter B737-200 CWL-DUS-CWL
European Air Charter B737-200 CWL-CPH-CWL
Skyblue Airways ATR42 CWL-VBS-CWL
Pronair Airlines MD87 PGF-CWL-PGF
Air Southwest DH8 GLA-CWL
Aer Lingus A330 DUB-CWL-DUB
Aer Lingus A321 DUB-CWL-DUB
Not forgetting the Monarch B757 flights to ACE, LPA, DLM, TFS for Thomas Cook at the end of October - fingers crossed the yellow aircraft will be a permanent fixture by Summer 2009 at CWL.
There was another Pullmantur Air B747-400 flight on Monday operating CWL-YYC direct, this time only 122 troops plus equipment, weapons & baggage - would have been cheaper to fly them on a RAF VC10 or Tristar !! There is a VC10 parked up at RAF St Athan !!
Jet 2 are operating the Thomas Cook BRS-SSH flight this winter instead of XL Airways - anyone know what is happening with the CWL-SSH flight for Thomas Cook or will they just share on the Thomsonfly flight ? Surely this route must have sold quite well so it will be hard to combine 2 flights on one aircraft.................we may gain another carrier on this !
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Tredogen lane closure
I note that the above lane was shut yesterday, temporaily, operatives in hi-vis and plant seem to be working at old derelict house down there.
Something new being built?
Something new being built?
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What drama, Watabench ... calm down, we're all just having fun here!
There is clearly a record of BRS taking unnecessary public digs at CWL ... for example, the comments made by a senior BRS manager to the media about the CWL business survey earlier this year. I would also suggest that it would be highly unusual (and impolite) for SN to issue a news announcement about their BRS services without running the copy past the BRS PR department, offering them a chance to input into it or at least agree its content. Of course, this might not have happened but it's the usual procedure.
Gosh, I wrote all that with just one exclamation mark.
There is clearly a record of BRS taking unnecessary public digs at CWL ... for example, the comments made by a senior BRS manager to the media about the CWL business survey earlier this year. I would also suggest that it would be highly unusual (and impolite) for SN to issue a news announcement about their BRS services without running the copy past the BRS PR department, offering them a chance to input into it or at least agree its content. Of course, this might not have happened but it's the usual procedure.
Gosh, I wrote all that with just one exclamation mark.
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re BRU and SN
To add to Peter's notes,
part of the truth behind a BRU service is the Welsh pax are travelling by mixed modes to BRU. Sure some are using the SN service, an element use KLM via AMS but most use either the Train via London or fly to AMS and catch the train.
I suspect SN are feeling the pinch at BRS from LH and AF dilluting yields and hub connections. This is why they have gone away from a night stopper and also reduced frequency. Nothing to do with changing times for Welsh pax. If that was the case, they would just fly to Wales instead. With LH looming as a new owner too, they might just pull out within the next 12 month anyway.
part of the truth behind a BRU service is the Welsh pax are travelling by mixed modes to BRU. Sure some are using the SN service, an element use KLM via AMS but most use either the Train via London or fly to AMS and catch the train.
I suspect SN are feeling the pinch at BRS from LH and AF dilluting yields and hub connections. This is why they have gone away from a night stopper and also reduced frequency. Nothing to do with changing times for Welsh pax. If that was the case, they would just fly to Wales instead. With LH looming as a new owner too, they might just pull out within the next 12 month anyway.
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Yep. Apparently they will be. I overheard a man in the pub who's friends, sisters dog walker, Barry, got it from his third placed cousin lord wilson the third, who had been speaking to his farm hand who got it from a fellow naturist who he frequently takes camping holidays with and happens to own a mid-priced holiday chalet in Sofia, (which....FYI is twinned with Brussels), that indeed they will be pulling out of Bristol.
The man could tell I looked shocked and asked what was bothering me. I asked how they could have possibly gathered such commercially sensitive information !? He just shrugged and said "Ask Merchant Sailors on PPrune.....he knows how the airlines in Bristol operate and for a fiver will tell you which airlines will be making withdrawals to CWL soon*"!
*Edit.....talking of withdrawals, did the cash machine ever get fixed?
The man could tell I looked shocked and asked what was bothering me. I asked how they could have possibly gathered such commercially sensitive information !? He just shrugged and said "Ask Merchant Sailors on PPrune.....he knows how the airlines in Bristol operate and for a fiver will tell you which airlines will be making withdrawals to CWL soon*"!
*Edit.....talking of withdrawals, did the cash machine ever get fixed?
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I remember when a B A Regional pilot based in CWL, said on this site how unviable CWL to BRU was 
In six months operation, the most pax on his flight to BRU numbered nine , not fifty or seventy only NINE
Cardiff Brussels not viable never will be
In six months operation, the most pax on his flight to BRU numbered nine , not fifty or seventy only NINE
Cardiff Brussels not viable never will be