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Have to agree with the point about both FR & EZY at BRS.........parking to be at a maximum before long then the conflicts will start between them both.
Lets hope this new outfit changes the whole scenario - what date are we looking at with this ? Still March ?
The EK link has always been around for years, but gone quiet lately. Now that NCL has been added surely CWL cant be that far away..........excellent for VFR but also holidays and onward connections to Australia / New Zealand and Asia
Lets hope this new outfit changes the whole scenario - what date are we looking at with this ? Still March ?
The EK link has always been around for years, but gone quiet lately. Now that NCL has been added surely CWL cant be that far away..........excellent for VFR but also holidays and onward connections to Australia / New Zealand and Asia
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Now it is my turn to laugh.....It wasnt long ago that F/C bringing a B787 was going to be the 'saviour' of BRS according to CWL! Now CWL are praying on the 'airline that cant be mentioned' to rescue them! The reason they cant be mentioned is because its a farcical airline set up to bleed development money from the Welsh and EU!!!
If I squint long enough I can see you all over there clutching at straws!
Cym - you hit the nail on the head on your first part but missed by a mile on the second part - if CWL is incapable of being able to demonstrate a need for a ZRH, what chance do they have with DXB!? I would image Emirates would require a throughput of more than 2 million to launch a route from there. I would aim for a NYC route first IMO!
BRS is currently too small for the traffic we have, but we cope and things are changing. Your right that BRS will have challenges ahead, but we will meet them head on and will continue to gain new airlines and routes-mark my words! Against all odds Bristol is thriving and will continue to do so.
If I squint long enough I can see you all over there clutching at straws!
Cym - you hit the nail on the head on your first part but missed by a mile on the second part - if CWL is incapable of being able to demonstrate a need for a ZRH, what chance do they have with DXB!? I would image Emirates would require a throughput of more than 2 million to launch a route from there. I would aim for a NYC route first IMO!
BRS is currently too small for the traffic we have, but we cope and things are changing. Your right that BRS will have challenges ahead, but we will meet them head on and will continue to gain new airlines and routes-mark my words! Against all odds Bristol is thriving and will continue to do so.
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Birdscarer - please consider facts before you post - a recurring error you seem to make when posting on this thread!
EK to DXB is viable from CWL and with the free car service they offer to C Class pax within a 50 mile radius will deffo attract the important business ex BRS.
New start up - please substanciate your comment re WAG and EU funding being a pre req. There are strict EU rules re subsidies as has been pointed out to you only recently. If you KNOW to the contrary share the info - official websites, publications will do for me not comments you heard from a mate.
A considerable portion of BRS traffic is currently 'off patch' orgininating - should routes from CWL and EXT to some of the routes currently only ex BRS the loads from there will be affected as will yield - this could cause problems for BRS going forward. Also with the growth of web booking airlines and tour ops know where their customers come from - again this will impact on route decissions, BRS has been an easy option in the past as ex CWL pax will travel there - now if you start to understand that the majority of pax on a service are CWL area originating logic says.....
I try to take a balanced view when posting - my rule of thumb is if you aint got something positive or constructive to say, then say nothing.....now there's a lesson that could be learned by some......
btw, this industry pays my wages and has done for more years than i care to remember looking after both load factor and yield management. What professional involvment in the industry do you have to base your opinions on?
If you wish to have a sensible dialog pls feel free to pm me, I have no intention of trading blows online
EK to DXB is viable from CWL and with the free car service they offer to C Class pax within a 50 mile radius will deffo attract the important business ex BRS.
New start up - please substanciate your comment re WAG and EU funding being a pre req. There are strict EU rules re subsidies as has been pointed out to you only recently. If you KNOW to the contrary share the info - official websites, publications will do for me not comments you heard from a mate.
A considerable portion of BRS traffic is currently 'off patch' orgininating - should routes from CWL and EXT to some of the routes currently only ex BRS the loads from there will be affected as will yield - this could cause problems for BRS going forward. Also with the growth of web booking airlines and tour ops know where their customers come from - again this will impact on route decissions, BRS has been an easy option in the past as ex CWL pax will travel there - now if you start to understand that the majority of pax on a service are CWL area originating logic says.....
I try to take a balanced view when posting - my rule of thumb is if you aint got something positive or constructive to say, then say nothing.....now there's a lesson that could be learned by some......
btw, this industry pays my wages and has done for more years than i care to remember looking after both load factor and yield management. What professional involvment in the industry do you have to base your opinions on?
If you wish to have a sensible dialog pls feel free to pm me, I have no intention of trading blows online
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Sadly, CWL needs a few serious routes rather than the bucket and spades in order to get it off the ground again.
Routes to BRU, DUS, FCO, FRA, MLP and MUC are a must, not just for the Airport but for wales too.
EK to DXB would open up Wales to the world and landing a JFK connection would bring in masses of inbound tourism from the USA and visa versa.
The airport management need to sort their act out and begin to offer some serious incentives to airlines to get them on board. The regional funding for establishing new air routes was successfully exploited by the Scottish Executive and landed both Edinburgh and Glasgow brand new connections to the Europe, the Middle East and USA. The WAG set up this fund too late and simply squandered an opportunity to help establish a decent route network from CWL. The only routes currently running are the CWL - BCN and Anglesey as a result of this. Now this funding is no longer available due to rule changes and unless Abertis invests some serious money into CWL, then the airport will slowly become a white elephant. This will do nothing for the local economy or that of Wales in general.
Come on CWL the potential is there.
Routes to BRU, DUS, FCO, FRA, MLP and MUC are a must, not just for the Airport but for wales too.
EK to DXB would open up Wales to the world and landing a JFK connection would bring in masses of inbound tourism from the USA and visa versa.
The airport management need to sort their act out and begin to offer some serious incentives to airlines to get them on board. The regional funding for establishing new air routes was successfully exploited by the Scottish Executive and landed both Edinburgh and Glasgow brand new connections to the Europe, the Middle East and USA. The WAG set up this fund too late and simply squandered an opportunity to help establish a decent route network from CWL. The only routes currently running are the CWL - BCN and Anglesey as a result of this. Now this funding is no longer available due to rule changes and unless Abertis invests some serious money into CWL, then the airport will slowly become a white elephant. This will do nothing for the local economy or that of Wales in general.
Come on CWL the potential is there.
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True, the DXB service is a must to get by the CWL management, Emirates would be a real must. With this BCN, FCO and JFK are real musts (Maybe Eastern will try BRU again in a few years time). Other than that none of the other routes you mention are really viable, without looking at specific market research.
With flybe to announce their new routes tommorow, rumours have it as two daily to Newcastle and Glagow, with routes also to IOM and EXT, and a northen France route. We'll see what happens tommorow.
With flybe to announce their new routes tommorow, rumours have it as two daily to Newcastle and Glagow, with routes also to IOM and EXT, and a northen France route. We'll see what happens tommorow.
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DXB rumours have been around for ages, and will be for a long time. the pattern around the uk for routes to DXB only leaves Ireland and Southwest/Wales unserved.
As for JFK, what was interesting to find out was that the Zoom charter on the weekend was a chartered flight, shared with the LGW-JFK scheduled flight (UKZ101) rather than the a/c being specifically chartered for CWL-JFK.
I believe the other UK airports the one off JFK is also planned like this.
BCN is likely to return, or there has to be more to come from TOM as there are gaps in the schedule.
On the NCL thread there are constant mentions of CWL. A low-cost NCL route is needed. A 2nd daily GLA is needed. BHD and CDG are already building success. If Flybe do start these routes, be interesting to see if they set up a base or use a/c from other bases. As for CWL-EXT, could it be that it will be an EXT based a/c that will serve the CWL-NCL/GLA etc routes?
As for JFK, what was interesting to find out was that the Zoom charter on the weekend was a chartered flight, shared with the LGW-JFK scheduled flight (UKZ101) rather than the a/c being specifically chartered for CWL-JFK.
I believe the other UK airports the one off JFK is also planned like this.
BCN is likely to return, or there has to be more to come from TOM as there are gaps in the schedule.
On the NCL thread there are constant mentions of CWL. A low-cost NCL route is needed. A 2nd daily GLA is needed. BHD and CDG are already building success. If Flybe do start these routes, be interesting to see if they set up a base or use a/c from other bases. As for CWL-EXT, could it be that it will be an EXT based a/c that will serve the CWL-NCL/GLA etc routes?
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Using an EXT aircraft for either NCL or GLA makes sense
FlyBe have the potential to be significant players at CWL, CDG is doing well and BHD should pick up some more pacs once WW reduce BFS down to once daily in the new year.
More important IMHO is FlyBe's acknowledgement that they need to improve their presence on business routes as they are currently too leisure market focused - this is exactly what CWL needs.
Fingers crossed for tomorrow
FlyBe have the potential to be significant players at CWL, CDG is doing well and BHD should pick up some more pacs once WW reduce BFS down to once daily in the new year.
More important IMHO is FlyBe's acknowledgement that they need to improve their presence on business routes as they are currently too leisure market focused - this is exactly what CWL needs.
Fingers crossed for tomorrow
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Are there any ex BRS/BAcon crews still with Flybe? I would imagine if a base were to be set up at CWL by Flybe they would jump at the chance of getting back closer to home.
A Flybe base would be good for both Flybe & CWL. Fingers crossed for tomorrow
A Flybe base would be good for both Flybe & CWL. Fingers crossed for tomorrow
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That would be a significant increase of Flybe flights from CWL, i would be suprised if they do materialise yet. The only rumour i heard of was of the GLA route but that dissapeared from the scene i believe.
I hope that i am proved wrong and that if at least half of the flybe routes are mentioned then it would be very good indeed.
Could the EXT be a transit load as is the BHD - CWL - CDG?
I would prefer to see based a/c as I believe the transit system does not work for the passengers.
Fingers Crossed for Tomorrow
I hope that i am proved wrong and that if at least half of the flybe routes are mentioned then it would be very good indeed.
Could the EXT be a transit load as is the BHD - CWL - CDG?
I would prefer to see based a/c as I believe the transit system does not work for the passengers.
Fingers Crossed for Tomorrow
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No based aircraft at Cardiff but am very pleased.
Just been having a look at the scedule and it is showing
3 x daily to EDI (reduced service on weekends)
2 x daily to GLA (1xdaily on weekend)
1 x daily to NCL
It is now the GLA based A/C that will be going to CDG via CWL (do they have a runway closure time at GLA)?
are there any more possible announcement expected for CWL?
Just been having a look at the scedule and it is showing
3 x daily to EDI (reduced service on weekends)
2 x daily to GLA (1xdaily on weekend)
1 x daily to NCL
It is now the GLA based A/C that will be going to CDG via CWL (do they have a runway closure time at GLA)?
are there any more possible announcement expected for CWL?
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Its really good to see Flybe expanding in Cardiff especially with these more business oriented routes which were lacking on some of the domestic services.
Surprised with Edinburgh though...baby I thought had that wrapped up with multiple daily flights but maybe flybe want ALL the domestic flights from CWL for themselves.
Great to see GLA back to double daily and fantastic to finally see a lowco NCL route!
Shame there isn't an ABZ route because I needed to use that in the new year! Also what happened to the rumours about a French route?
Surprised with Edinburgh though...baby I thought had that wrapped up with multiple daily flights but maybe flybe want ALL the domestic flights from CWL for themselves.
Great to see GLA back to double daily and fantastic to finally see a lowco NCL route!
Shame there isn't an ABZ route because I needed to use that in the new year! Also what happened to the rumours about a French route?
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I believe Baby will end up pulling GLA and BFS and reduce the EDI frequency in the future as with 2 x daily GLA and BHD i'm sure business passengers will change over to Flybe.
The question is, what will Bmibaby response be regarding this? Hopefully will be a increased presence at CWL with new routes.
Baby have had their chance at CWL but they have been IDLE for far too long.
It's great that flybe has expanded their operation to over 50% at CWL an i hope this will continue next year with maybe a based unit.
Lets hope for more even more good news soon
The question is, what will Bmibaby response be regarding this? Hopefully will be a increased presence at CWL with new routes.
Baby have had their chance at CWL but they have been IDLE for far too long.
It's great that flybe has expanded their operation to over 50% at CWL an i hope this will continue next year with maybe a based unit.
Lets hope for more even more good news soon
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Wow, great show, didnt expect EDI, but that will really throw a spanner in the works for baby, with all domestic flights (expect Jersey) operated by baby. The one bad bit is that all routes they will serve are already served by other carriers.
To bad no French routes annonced, looks for the time being the IOM and EXT rumours were wrong.
This will most definatly give baby a kick up the bottom, they really need to get their act together, BE have them in their sights, at three of their four bases, and if they dont adapt for the current strategy, IMHO they will fail.
NCL one daily, is quite mixed news, it will mean eastern will most likley stay on the route, good news for the airport, and business passengers.
Well done BE.
To bad no French routes annonced, looks for the time being the IOM and EXT rumours were wrong.
This will most definatly give baby a kick up the bottom, they really need to get their act together, BE have them in their sights, at three of their four bases, and if they dont adapt for the current strategy, IMHO they will fail.
NCL one daily, is quite mixed news, it will mean eastern will most likley stay on the route, good news for the airport, and business passengers.
Well done BE.
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SMILE!!! Why do you think that route duplication is a good thing as it achieves nothing to help develop a route structure from Cardiff. It temporarily widens the market as a result of price but means that one or both operators will eventually drop the route.
Bristol have been very careful in achieving a good selection of routes and dislike any kind of head to head competition but CWL management seem intent on sticking the knife into any airline operating out of there.
This may help explain why they are slowly becoming a turbo prop "International" airport.
Bristol have been very careful in achieving a good selection of routes and dislike any kind of head to head competition but CWL management seem intent on sticking the knife into any airline operating out of there.
This may help explain why they are slowly becoming a turbo prop "International" airport.
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Ermm
Currently
BRS CDG - AF EZY
BRS AMS - KL E
BRS LIN/BGY EZY FR
BRS GRO/BCN EZY FR
BRS JER WOW BE
Untill recently
BRS GLA BA EZY
BRS EDI BA EZY#
This is the wakeup call Baby needs
Currently
BRS CDG - AF EZY
BRS AMS - KL E
BRS LIN/BGY EZY FR
BRS GRO/BCN EZY FR
BRS JER WOW BE
Untill recently
BRS GLA BA EZY
BRS EDI BA EZY#
This is the wakeup call Baby needs