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the market for 2nd user 738's being dead
Now classics and jurassics - millions. But NGs? Rare.
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As per my post 3rd Jan FR will not use CWL as a base as ILS is CAT1. Mathew Berger FR route planning manager is on record (lo-cost airline conference 2007) that FR will only plan a base with a minimum of CAT2 ILS.
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Caaardiff- I am afraid I do not share your unrealistic optimism although I would love to be proven wrong!
I do not know who are the mutitude of airlines operating from the airport when you say we should be thankful for the " majority of airlines that operate from there! "....I can count them all on one hand!!
I do not know who are the mutitude of airlines operating from the airport when you say we should be thankful for the " majority of airlines that operate from there! "....I can count them all on one hand!!
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At the current time, given the current economic climate, I cannot see an expansion or new airlines announcing they will be operating new flights from CWL this coming summer season. Remember people are watching what they are spending and are looking for cheaper holidays at home or avoiding the Eurozone given the weak pound against a strong Euro. It may be disappointing for supporters of the airport and the airport itself, but it is common sense. Maybe it'll be better later in the year and then hopefully it'll be better by S10
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3 in a row...
KLM gets the hat-trick ! Thurs/Fri and todays 10:15 (div to BRS) all cancelled. Anyone know the reason or is it the same old ''ageing fleet, waiting for new a/c'' ? Even the few flights that CWL have got ain't running=more disgruntled pax ?? We know where they'll be going, like last time this kept happening - BRS. Shame.
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The Bristol Airport Apron website shows KL 1059 currently parked on stand 12 at BRS (F100, PH-OFB). It is shown as having arrived at 1126 today and has a scheduled departure time for AMS of 1500.
No idea why it landed at BRS. The corresponding mid-morning CityHopper from AMS to BRS landed as normal and returned to AMS per schedule, according to the BRS departures page.
No idea why it landed at BRS. The corresponding mid-morning CityHopper from AMS to BRS landed as normal and returned to AMS per schedule, according to the BRS departures page.
Booking site?
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PH-OFB landed on full emergency at BRS with hydraulic problem. We were told unable to land at CWL as they were giving rvr's.Busy for us after though as we had 12 aircraft in the hold.
Diversions yesterday were simply that aircraft unable to land with cat III need 300m for cat II or 700m for cat I and our rvr's were never that high
Diversions yesterday were simply that aircraft unable to land with cat III need 300m for cat II or 700m for cat I and our rvr's were never that high
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KLM suffered a hydrualic problem and diverted to BRS due to better visibility. Then it was canceled from Cardiff as for the 2 diverts the other day, OLT and RE, that too may have been due to better visibility at CWL.
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I think Watabench's post on the BRS thread sums up well the drastic contrast in the prosperity of the two airports.If I was part of the senior management team at CWL,I would be asking myself some serious questions?!...Or perhaps they too are working for BRS in not providing any competition!!
A sorry and pathetic state of affairs for us at CWL!
A sorry and pathetic state of affairs for us at CWL!
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i agree with you its just sad case for cwl there going down hill fast routes dropping like flys the airport dead now in the winter and summer now but all other airports are still getting new routes more based aircraft still with the credit crunch so why not cwl not one very sad i like to know what they do at these meeting in cwl just sit back drinking tea watching it go down hill 
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Cabincrewe- you are missing the point.
We are comparing CWL's fortunes (or lack ot it) with BRS.Two very different stories even under the present financial climate.
BRS is now THE airport serving the Welsh public!
We are comparing CWL's fortunes (or lack ot it) with BRS.Two very different stories even under the present financial climate.
BRS is now THE airport serving the Welsh public!
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We do always compare BRS and CWL, but I think they are in two different levels to each other. One is ran well the other not so.
The pax figures also are completely different, Cardiff is like Exeter, Coventry... type airport-not much happening.
It will take years to close the gap.
You would think the WAG would be disapointed and ashamed.
Example, they bang on about the meetings they have and promotions in New York, quite alot, you cant even get there from Wales so whats the point? Giving more business to yes ... Bristol.
The pax figures also are completely different, Cardiff is like Exeter, Coventry... type airport-not much happening.
It will take years to close the gap.
You would think the WAG would be disapointed and ashamed.
Example, they bang on about the meetings they have and promotions in New York, quite alot, you cant even get there from Wales so whats the point? Giving more business to yes ... Bristol.
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Forget NY the WAG can't even get to Brussels, pretty poor considering Wales got/gets £££ EU Objective 1 money.
Unfortunately BRS is in a different league now (to think 10 years ago they were pretty much the same) and that's not going to change until the economy improves and the next boom period gets going. The best CWL can really hope for is that routes aren't lost, they just need to ensure that they put themselves in a position to benefit from the next boom - as I bet BRS will be.
Unfortunately BRS is in a different league now (to think 10 years ago they were pretty much the same) and that's not going to change until the economy improves and the next boom period gets going. The best CWL can really hope for is that routes aren't lost, they just need to ensure that they put themselves in a position to benefit from the next boom - as I bet BRS will be.
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Don't dispair even the mighty LHR is quieter than it has been for many years. Since T5 and T3 was refurbed the other 3 are ghost towns for most of the day. Without people you can see immediately the dirt and decay. How many people are in the catchment area for CWL?
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Further to pipertommy's comments, here is my opinion
I think the main problem is that we shouldn't compare Bristol with Cardiff anymore. Both airports are in different leagues. Like it or not Bristol does have the edge.
One of the main reasons for this is that Cardiff's catchment area comes of roughly 2 million people. Bristol on the other hand has a catchement area of roughly 4 million people, the majority of whom have an average GDP much higher than the average in Wales. This means that the Bristol market is not only larger in size, but more productive in terms of higher prosperity of that population to fly.
The economics speaks for itself. The higher the catchement area the more choice/services you're gonna get
I think the main problem is that we shouldn't compare Bristol with Cardiff anymore. Both airports are in different leagues. Like it or not Bristol does have the edge.
One of the main reasons for this is that Cardiff's catchment area comes of roughly 2 million people. Bristol on the other hand has a catchement area of roughly 4 million people, the majority of whom have an average GDP much higher than the average in Wales. This means that the Bristol market is not only larger in size, but more productive in terms of higher prosperity of that population to fly.
The economics speaks for itself. The higher the catchement area the more choice/services you're gonna get
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Customer base...
Em, the numbers of Welsh pax through BRS is high though. This says to me that choice of routes, times etc is too limited at CWL thus the seepage over the bridge. Anyone got any figures re this ? The obvious history of CWL and FR et al will take a lot of the blame for this along with current climate but many contributors to this site are obviously fed up with the situation and look forward to bridge building the other way, ie, back to at Rhoose.