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[planenut321]

It depends how Tornoto-Hamilton does. I feel by 2010 we will have 2x weekly tornoto that is direct not via DUB. But I feel possibly a new operater to Sanford. Maybe TXC will operate it themselves.

[OliWW]

2011 if your lucky, because GSM are only operating the route from June - September 09, so if its only that long, you think to yourself, they aren't really sure about it, but have come to the rescue because people thought it was nessasary... it might not work yet... 2009 is a starter year. 2010 a Weekly service, 2011 2x weekly, depending on how it performs

[4567]

I'm sure Flyglobespan would expand up to 2x weekly the now if they could but because its only 1 752 they have to operate all there flights to YHM there limited because it also has to operate the BCN flights from EDI & GLA.
There limited to the schedule they can offer the now, but in the future if they get another 752 im sure they would expand CWL,GLA,MAN & LGW possibly.

[birdscarer]

Don't get too excited about
Flyglobespan. First off, there are many more victims to be had in the airline world and S09 feels a very long way away. This is there third airport in 3 years and reaks of desperation to find a market!
They can't do it themselves for whatever reason so are going to a ready-made one. But how many frequent Cardiff- Canada flyers will want to go that distance to a second rate Toronto on a B757 via DUB when use to going direct?

[pipertommy]

Looks like yet another off the winter schedule. Think they would have operated Egypt.

[Em0866]

Don't forget that XL was operating the SFB flight on Monday and was going to be the only SFB flight next year. Unless someone steps up there will be no flights to Florida next year from CWL for the first time in years.

I think TOM are flying SSH over the winter months anyway

[caaardiff]

SSH was on behalf of TCX so another operator could be found.
There was one more SFB departure the end of Oct for school holidays which will be cancelled.
And surprise surprise, CWL no longer has a confirmed SFB operator for S09!!


Within one month CWL has practically lost all long haul destinations

Edit: The above to mean what the airlines have cancelled (not aimed at the airport management)

[Em0866]

In all fairness it was not CWLs fault, just the current climate will oil prices etc. They were quick off the mark to get flyglobespan. I know it's not ideal as the YHM flights don't start til June and finish in September, but better than nothing at all

[iflycwl]

Both TOM & XLA had CWL-SSH flights for Winter 2008-2009, the TOM flights are not affected, however following the collapse of XLA yesterday, their CWL-SSH flights which were due to be operated by a B737-900 are now cancelled.

These flights were for Thomas Cook so Im sure either TCX will take over or another carrier altogether - luckily it was just the XLA aircraft and not an XL.com holiday.

As mentioned earlier great to see the Marketing Dept at CWL have secured Fly Globespan so quick after the failure of Zoom, lets hope they secure a new CWL-SFB just as quick, you never know Fly Globespan could step in or even TCX themselves.

Also quite a few large sporting events ahead, football & rugby and then we have the cruise flights - I see Servisair have already entered in the FIDs Montego Bay, Bridgetown, Miami & Acapulco.

Lets hope this winter CWL secure as many contracts as possible !!!!

[Em0866]

Yes and don't foget the TOM flights to Dom Rep with Thomsons cruises, which I think are every 4 weeks from December

[britannialad]

Routes

Perhaps TOM will see this as a gap and re commence their long haul after all theres no competition!

But then again perhaps they will watch another operator come in and make a successful operation and TOM loose out!!

The demand for holidays next year is still going to be huge but will there be enough seats? Routes etc?

Someone will get in there for next year....... The Q is who?

[Welsh Bobby]

Whats up at the airport today?....delays and cancellations...TOM and WW affected?

On the long haul debate -you cant rely on TOM- never seen a company that changes its course at an airport so much . Perhaps TCX may seize the opportunities TOM are disregarding.

[WALES-TAG-TOP]

Florida For Less?

What about the thousands of trolleys in and around the airport quoting "FLORIDA FOR LESS"? re.T.C.D.+X.L.?

oh, and a 8 and a halve hour inbound delay, re.Fridays Mon,

THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER, (D-ream). re-releasd 3 times before charting, possibly a LABOUR of love!

[travelbuddy]

Routes

A company and airline would need to consider very carefully about expanding their Long Haul flying at this present time. The current climate has a great impact on the profitability of a route or even the losses that could potentially be occured on a long haul route due to the rising cost of aviation fuel at this present time.


No company or airline can afford in this day and age to operate a route just because there is a gap in the market place. All airlines need to operate every route at a profit and not just break even to satisfy customers but make profit for its shareholders and stakeholders.

Turbrlent times ahead as we have seen with xl and i am sure that all airlines want to protect their business ans just operating new routes will not achieve this. When fuel prices reduce them is the time to reconsider route expansion to the further afield places.

[iflycwl]

CWL really needs to attract airlines to serve the European routes such as VCE, BRU, CIA, DUS, FRA, BOD - there is bound to be the market here. Small aircraft such as the 146 - nothing big or fancy like the A319s , B737s etc.

Long Haul we could start the Dubai / Emirates debate again - again Im sure CWL has the market, BHX has 2 a day whilst NCL has one.

Lets hope Orlando gets taken on by someone in time for next Summer

Shame Air Wales did not stick it out - better management and ideas then this would have been a success.

[Welsh Bobby]

Ive rattled a few cages on the BRS thread over the fact that the replacement carrier to XL should perhaps go to CWL!
Just quoting facts about how many I know who crossed the bridge to fly with them.

[WATABENCH]

Cant see any cages rattled in Briz mate.

Latest rumour at BRS is that MON are eyeing the west country up instead of CWL now, mainly as there is a ready made market for them(XL), and that they have jumped all over the rescue flights from BRS all be it with Euro Atlantic aircraft and the CAA probably asking them. but who knows, after all times are hard, this is a rumour network and both airports have gaps that need filling.

May the best man win.

[OliWW]

bmibaby should be operating many routes from CWL now, but they are getting there, I think that Venice, Rome and Nice would work well from CWL and if Flybe base one or two DH4 her they could easily get some German routes in there...

[Em0866]

Re WATABENCH comments

To be honest as much as I would really like MON to base at CWL, I think that BRS will probably get it. Their management team seem to be "more on the ball" in attracting new operators than CWL. It'll be interesting to see what happens

[boyyo]

I've also heard that Monarch are looking at Cardiff, speaking to cabin crew on the SFB on Thurs and she seems to think that they are looking at CWL, but operating on ZB flights, it would make sense for them to operate out of CWL as not a great deal of competition here, where as BRS you have the likes of EZY and FR to compete with, with regards to Emirates, this would be nice if they did start flights to Dubai, but i cant see this happening in the near future, but with the airline industry at the moment, you never know what' around the corner.
any more news on when or if BE are basing an aircraft at CWL?

Boyyo