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Old 22nd Dec 2009, 09:11
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Yup well done with the diversions. Pitty airport coudldnt deice the ramp area
on the morning of the 21st to BE to EDI was delayed aprox 50 mins as passenegers could notbe boarded.
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Old 22nd Dec 2009, 09:37
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Jeez, when will people learn to stop comparing CWL to BRS?

Despite their relative close proximity, the difference in the 'passenger catchment' between the two means that CWL will never compete on a level ground, what CWL should be doing, and I've said this before,
is capitalising on what it does best and what it could do...namely provide a creditable alternative 'long haul' stop off point for those operators
using 'fifth freedom' rights of passage (and if you don't know what the five
freedom rights of passage are, you better go look it up)

However, these won't materialise overnight unless CWL
1) Puts its' charges down to same levels as competing airports
2) Management stop chasing BRS in a playground pee-ing competition.
3) Review the mandatory 'handling' policy which has effectively killed off
GA/Business traffic and the once thriving flying clubs

rant over

ttfn
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Old 28th Dec 2009, 09:36
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Manadatory Handling did not kill off Flying Club!!!

Flying Club killed off Flying Club
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Old 28th Dec 2009, 14:48
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You a correct in saying the mandatory handling has/is killing off GA at CWL.

They rip off circuits & low approaches cost approx £25 they refuse instrument training approaches 99% of the time, Filton becomes the next available airport.

I know for a fact the airport has refused a well established club from putting in a couple of a/c. Giving a very poor excuse, noise and security!!

Sorry no GA at Cardiff. Its just to busy
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Old 1st Jan 2010, 04:33
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All the very best for the next decade

As someone who used to work out of Cardiff during the last decade (before my ladder incident!!) can I offer my very best wishes to everyone at CWL for the next decade.

Planning is so important for the future, and I do so hope that those at every level are doing all they can to ensure that this airport grows over the next 10 years.

Best of luck to you all!!
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Old 3rd Jan 2010, 21:37
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The blog site is reporting that....fox strike??:
19:20
BE1436 Jersey 136G Paris CDG DH8D Flybe G-JECX 19:22Landed 30, fox strike
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Old 4th Jan 2010, 19:34
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Piper Tommy you said that training is not accepted 99 % of the time.
Well you need to eat your words and check your facts - sorry to be straight to the point but people enjoy putting Cardiff down.

Training is accepted 0730 to 2230 daily. Single engine go arounds are £6.50.
Training is accepted on an hourly slot and if you ring airfield charges on 01446 711111 they will book a whole hour with as many instrument go arounds as you can do for a very low fee. I believe that each touch and go is £9.50 for a Seneca in the circuit.

We accept 1 training aircraft per hour slot and with the down turn in movements at Cardiff you can do a lot of approaches compared to other busy airfields. Cardiff ATC control the airways L9 and N864 up to FL165 so if you need to go in the airway we can give you good levels without the need to ask London. If you are refused it is because of traffic and no ther reason.

If you want to train at Cardiff give ATC a ring on 01446 712562 and book a slot or ask for the watch Manager and he'll give you a brief on the procedures. Cardiff is a very cheap airfield to train at and definately open for business. If you have had any problems in the last 2 months with not getting training bookings please pm me and I'll check what happened. One point to remember is that if equipment (ILS /DME/ Cardiff Radar) is on maintainance or we have radar problems then we, like all other airfields cannot accept training. Cardiff will be getting a brand new mode S radar this year, installation is in progress now with it fully operational by the summer. Keep a lookout on the southside for developments.

Money is being spent at Cardiff and it is well place for the future ie. New radar, new NDB, new DME, new met sytem, new instrument training procedures and that is in the last few months. Come and try us out and don't forget to tell others.
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Old 5th Jan 2010, 19:40
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More Diversions at Cardiff Tonight

BE DH8D Jersey Diverted from BHX
BE E190 Milan-Malpensa Diverted from BHX
BE DH8D Dusseldorf Diverted from BHX
BE DH8D Frankfurt Diverted from BHX
TOM 752 Cape Verde Diverted from BHX

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Old 7th Jan 2010, 11:29
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found this today dont know about the airport growing more like going downhill and new budget flights where did that come from and what airline
Cardiff Airport
Latest information about our growing regional airport with new budget services to a range of European destinations. Includes live arrival and departure times updated every five minutes.

BBC - South East Wales - travel - Airports
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Old 7th Jan 2010, 23:31
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Old 8th Jan 2010, 08:21
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That's an Easy one (pun intended). Favourite Welsh airport BRS. Harsh but unfortunate reality !
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Old 10th Jan 2010, 11:39
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Can someone explain whats been happening with the TOM flights today and yesterday, I feel really sorry for the passengers.

On Saturday:

TOM6614 (G-FDZA the one with Reindeer) departed to Chambery at 7:30am already 45 mins late. It then diverted to Lyon for some reason. It then returned to Cardiff apparently with the same passengers on at 18:30pm a whole 11 hours after they left. This meant that the Innsbruck flight at 14:10 was delayed.
The Alicante flight's (due to depart at 15:05) aircraft (G-FDZG) which was in a W pattern, took over the Innsbruck flight which departed 16:10, 2 hours late. Meaning the Alicante flight was then delayed. They then had to wait for the orginal aircraft to come back from Lyon, which meant they departed at 20:15, a whole 5 hours late. Which meant we lost G-FDZA which I would have liked in Cardiff for a few days.


Sunday:

The Chambery flight was re-scheduled to depart this morning at 06:45, which meant little sleep for the passengers. This hasn't even departed yet, already 6 hours late and its saying it will go via Milan?? I feel so sorry for the passengers being pushed around like this especially for the ones stuck in Chambery. This meant the remaining TOM flight for today are delayed i.e. Malaga showing a departure of 18:30...a whole 11 hours late. Obviously then intended to use to Chambery aircraft with a small delay but the delay is now huge!

Can someone explain why...
It diverted to Lyon in the first place?
Brought the same passengers back when the 2 airports are only 65 miles apart?
Why today's flight is already delayed and is going via Milan?
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Old 10th Jan 2010, 12:00
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CMF

09/01
CMF was closed for most of Saturday due to heavy snowfall, as with other airport websites, most flights there were either diverted and/or rescheduled/cancelled.
LYS didn't have the handling capabilities for the volume of aircraft that had diverted there from CMF so some were turned away - hence the CWL flight returning.

10/01
I believe there is still an issue with heavy snowfall at CMF but the airport is open and operating at limited capacity; flights are departing to there - whether they get there or not is a different story! And why via MXP, I don't know!?!

PP
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Old 10th Jan 2010, 12:05
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EMA has also had the same problem, re-scheduled to today, TOM have had a bit of a nightmare start to 2010, at MAN and LGW, flights are still delayed from flights being re-scheduled, with a few aircraft in maintenance e.g. G-BYAI, G-BYAT as well as those on lease, its all a bit of a nightmare, those passengers will just have to wait, they are in good hands and will get there as soon as physically possible.
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Old 10th Jan 2010, 12:42
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With regards INN and CMF, it is common to find flights are sent via unusual airfields if the destination is out due to weather since there will be problems in getting through snowed-in roads and also in finding coaches to shunt passengers about.
For INN I think the first diversion choice is in Italy (coaches via the Brenner Pass if INN unavailable) and then Munich as the second choice but Munich is likely to have better weather and much better facilities. I haven't flown into INN for more than a year (thank goodness!) Does anyone know if any TOM flights are going to INN with the 757 instead of the 73-8?


As for Cardiff, I tried to bring my own aeroplane to Cardiff to base it there but the cost of parking was 3 times my mortgage repayments plus I'd need another security pass (and disclosure Scotland thingy) at another £50-ish. I currently have a Cardiff (Northside) pass which gets me into Heathrow, Tokyo Narita, JFK, Amsterdam,Tel Aviv, Kandahar, Lagos etc but it isn't valid on the other side of the runway at my home base. Fair 'nuf, if they have hoops to jump through then I can accept that, but the 3 months it took to get an answer to my original request merely reminded me why I fly instead from a farm strip where they ban yellow jackets (1hr 45 minutes away from home). CWL staff were (mostly) pleasant about it but no amount of smiling can make CWL a GA friendly airport, IMHO.
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Old 10th Jan 2010, 13:18
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Thomson use the B752 mainly on INN, on a Saturday you can expect to see B757's from...

Newcastle
Edinburgh - NCL based aircraft (w pattern)
Manchester - 2x flights
Gatwick - 2x flights
Birmingham

and on a B73H
Cardiff
Stansted
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Old 10th Jan 2010, 13:29
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Can you explain in plain English what you are referring to regarding CWL?!
Wanting to base yourself there,parking costs etc?
There are a number of us on here and Wales Air Network forum trying to establish why CWL is going down the pan and any personal experiences will be useful.
Whats the 'disclosure Scotland thingy'?
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Old 10th Jan 2010, 14:14
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GA at Cardiff

We have been based at Cardiff (Southside) for many years and not experienced any problems.

Monthly charges are published on the website and include parking (outdoors only), approach & landing fees. We pay by monthly direct debit and from memory its around £200.

To gain Southside access you do need to apply for a renewable 3yr pass, which involves filling in a couple of forms (including a personal & professional references), applying for Basic Scottish Disclosure (done via the SD website at a cost of about £23) and need to have done the GSAT training (did mine at the airport, but there are 3rd parties that allow you to do it online, costing about £15).

PM/email if you need any more info.

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Old 10th Jan 2010, 14:33
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If you want to go to the southside unescorted (no club therefore no escort and the fire service cannot escort you) then you need a pass that requires you to buy a pass from Cardiff security and thus you need a Discloseure Scotland CRB check. I operate 757/767 and am Cardiff based which means I have been in posession of a full Cardiff pass for more than a decade. This Cardiff pass is valid for everywhere in the whole world EXCEPT for the southern half of my home base. Sure, my northside pass is technically provided by my employer but why do I need another CRB check for the opposite side of the tarmac? After all, I have a basic CRB, and advanced CRB and a Counter-terrorist CRB check to my name from my time teaching the military. The cost of another pass is the same as 2 months parking+landings at the farm strip.
Cardiff parking was going to be double if I plonked a hangar-trailer on site, despite the trailer occupying less space than with the aircraft wings unfolded. The reasoning was that they wouldn't be able to utilise the space that the trailer occupied whilst I was away, and so I needed to pay them twice what I'd pay if the aircraft was merely sat there with its' wings folded out. Utilised by what? Nobody goes to Cardiff because of the charges!! Wouldn't they prefer 'a little income' to 'no income at all'?
I cannot get the thought out of my head that they'd rather not have GA at all. No hangars, yet there are hangar lease scheme all over the country where hangar manufactureres rent hangars out to airfields for a percentage of the sub-rent. I could've had 30+ spaces at another well-known airfield filled with willing renters but the owning authority would still rather have their large hangars empty (no rates to pay) than 30 pesky owners utilising their expensive tarmac. Instead there are airframes rotting in the weather whilst empty hangars await the arrival of IKEA. Kinda like the chicken-and-the-egg scenario. The airfields expect the aircraft to pay the bills but the reducing numbers of flying schools make the airfield charge more to visitors and local GA until there isn't enough GA to make the airfield run. I used to do airshows and deliveries in the US and the difference over there is staggering. The local council help keep their airfields afloat with transport links etc so that there is income generated that ultimately helps the area. I would often arrive in a spam-can and be collected in an airconditioned van that dropped me off to the terminal where I'd get a coffee whilst paying my $5 (charity donation) landing fee. "Fuel, sir?", they'd say, and someone would rush over, top up the tanks, wipe the screen and then return to bring me the bill whilst I picked my choice of free doughnuts. Compare that to "The only international airstrip in the whole of Wales". PPR, mandatory handling, no easy access. WHY would anyone want to visit CWL?
At the same time, Cardiff etc are grabbing more airspace. Who for??? I understand that some days at Cardiff there are barely enough movements to get into double figures (of which I am often one of them).
I wanted to run a strip withing the Cardiff zone but that became a problem due to the lack of a radio/generator and the likely requirement for a mode-S transponder. Next time you fly, ask various radar services for a mode-S transponder check. They probably can't see your mode-S, or has Cardiff gained that facility since I last visited Radar? So my own strip plan died for lack of a mode-S onboard my aircraft only for the whole deal to become another expensive disaster area.

Obviously, this is just my experience of Cardiff and the airfield may have changed beyond all recognition since I last tried to operate GA from there.
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Tim. I've just noticed you latest post. That price seems to be about the same area as the figure they gave me but £2400 per year is still a lot ( and more than I paid for the whole aircraft). It was justified to me due to the free use of the radar (Uh, I don't have a transponder and I'm made of wood), a mile of smooth tarmac (I prefer grass and my landing roll is under 150 yards anyway) and the availability of an NDB and ILS (again, I can't use them) which makes £500 per year for all landings and dry parking space at the farm seem soooo much more attractive.



Anyway, negotiations underway for 520 yds by 25 of concrete.
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