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The timings of the flights mean a lot of down time in BRS for the aircraft, perhaps a cheeky little FRA could fit in the middle, no aircraft makes money sat on the deck, take monday for example arriving back to BRS from ABZ at 1020 then not back out until 1640.
Lets say BRS-FRA departing 1100, arriving approx 1230, departing FRA-BRS 1330 arriving approx 1500, in plenty of time to operate the afternoon ABZ service at 1640.
Obviously not ideal times for Business goers to FRA but better than nothing and would connect with a lot of flights eastbound in the evenings I would expect
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Lets say BRS-FRA departing 1100, arriving approx 1230, departing FRA-BRS 1330 arriving approx 1500, in plenty of time to operate the afternoon ABZ service at 1640.
Obviously not ideal times for Business goers to FRA but better than nothing and would connect with a lot of flights eastbound in the evenings I would expect
Just a thought
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BRS terminal expansion
Hello WATABENCH.
In February a Bristol-based engineering consultancy was awarded the civil and structural engineering contract to work on the terminal extension at the western end.
At that time it was reported in the trade press that this consultancy would work on the scheme design and aimed to prepare the initial documentation by the beginning of this summer.
It was also reported that the west terminal extension will be a three-storey structure, incorporating a single storey basement, of concrete frame construction with a steel frame to the front elevation.
In the minutes of the most recent airport consultative committee meeting (held in July) no mention was made of the airport expansion other than to report that it was underway with three new aircraft stands completed earlier this year - later officially opened by the then Secretary of State for Transport.
The airport has always said that the expansion would proceed incrementally as traffic dictated so it's no surprise that there's not been much to report.
The hotel formed a separate planning application and so far as I know will be financed by a hotel group. Progress has certainly fallen behind that publicly stated last year and it was not mentioned in the minutes of the last consultative committee meeting. So BRS retains the dubious distinction of being the busiest UK airport without an onsite airport hotel.
There always seems to be work of some sort going on in connection with the airport buildings/facilities and this has been the case for a number of years - I'm not complaining, merely making an observation.
For example, this year the security area has been expanded and an additional immigration point put in place.
In February a Bristol-based engineering consultancy was awarded the civil and structural engineering contract to work on the terminal extension at the western end.
At that time it was reported in the trade press that this consultancy would work on the scheme design and aimed to prepare the initial documentation by the beginning of this summer.
It was also reported that the west terminal extension will be a three-storey structure, incorporating a single storey basement, of concrete frame construction with a steel frame to the front elevation.
In the minutes of the most recent airport consultative committee meeting (held in July) no mention was made of the airport expansion other than to report that it was underway with three new aircraft stands completed earlier this year - later officially opened by the then Secretary of State for Transport.
The airport has always said that the expansion would proceed incrementally as traffic dictated so it's no surprise that there's not been much to report.
The hotel formed a separate planning application and so far as I know will be financed by a hotel group. Progress has certainly fallen behind that publicly stated last year and it was not mentioned in the minutes of the last consultative committee meeting. So BRS retains the dubious distinction of being the busiest UK airport without an onsite airport hotel.
There always seems to be work of some sort going on in connection with the airport buildings/facilities and this has been the case for a number of years - I'm not complaining, merely making an observation.
For example, this year the security area has been expanded and an additional immigration point put in place.
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Sorry Cyrano it is the other way around. Loganair has aquired Suckling Airways and this was announced in Summer of 2011. They are however keeping their individual AOC.
Here is the press release from the Suckling Airways website - click here
Here is the press release from the Suckling Airways website - click here
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Re Andy's post about carriers at BRS...
My wishlist, however far fetched it may be would be for the return of Lufthansa, and for either Emirates or Turkish.
On the LCC front, I think Wizzair would do well at BRS. On the occasions I've used them, I've been impressed.
My wishlist, however far fetched it may be would be for the return of Lufthansa, and for either Emirates or Turkish.
On the LCC front, I think Wizzair would do well at BRS. On the occasions I've used them, I've been impressed.
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Wizzair
Yes, in March 2010 Wizzair did announce a 2 x weekly service to Warsaw to commence in September that year. Within eight weeks of its announcement they cancelled the route - four months before it was due to start.
I'm not sure what scope there would be for Wizzair now. Poland was well covered this summer by Ryanair (six routes) and easyJet (a seventh) with Modlin due to start this autumn with Ryanair. In addition Kaunas, Prague, Bratislava and Budapest are operated between them by easyJet and Ryanair.
Bristol would-be mayors not keen on airport
Bristol's first mayoral elections will take place in November. This week the nominees from the three main political parties together with a prominent independent candidate took part in a debate, with the airport one of the topics.
The Lib-Dem and independent spoke against airport expansion with the Lib-Dem seeming to say that Bristol doesn't need an airport at all. He said there are other ways of achieving good international links. The Conservative was only grudgingly in favour of some sort of controlled expansion, leaving the Labour man as the only one who thought the airport should push forward but even he didn't appear to be ecstatic about the idea.
It's a good thing for the airport that it's located in the North Somerset unitary authority area though the city council and future mayor of Bristol will have an influence over transport links and general support (or otherwise) in the city region.
Those who follow BRS's fortunes will remember that the city council formally objected to the airport expansion application when it was determined (in the airport's favour) by North Somerset Planning Committee in May 2010.
I'm not sure what scope there would be for Wizzair now. Poland was well covered this summer by Ryanair (six routes) and easyJet (a seventh) with Modlin due to start this autumn with Ryanair. In addition Kaunas, Prague, Bratislava and Budapest are operated between them by easyJet and Ryanair.
Bristol would-be mayors not keen on airport
Bristol's first mayoral elections will take place in November. This week the nominees from the three main political parties together with a prominent independent candidate took part in a debate, with the airport one of the topics.
The Lib-Dem and independent spoke against airport expansion with the Lib-Dem seeming to say that Bristol doesn't need an airport at all. He said there are other ways of achieving good international links. The Conservative was only grudgingly in favour of some sort of controlled expansion, leaving the Labour man as the only one who thought the airport should push forward but even he didn't appear to be ecstatic about the idea.
It's a good thing for the airport that it's located in the North Somerset unitary authority area though the city council and future mayor of Bristol will have an influence over transport links and general support (or otherwise) in the city region.
Those who follow BRS's fortunes will remember that the city council formally objected to the airport expansion application when it was determined (in the airport's favour) by North Somerset Planning Committee in May 2010.
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Just thought I'd pop my head in, with a couple of thoughts.
Germany may have got more difficult again, at least with Lufthansa. LH have decided that they will split their European business into two operations. LH (the existing company) will only operate European routes to/from FRA or MUC. All other European routes will move over to 4U (Germanwings) on 01JAN, on a "economy flying" model (aka, slightly upmarket LCC - akin to EZY, I would have thought). 30 aircraft will move from LH to 4U.
That would mean any BRS-FRA/MUC route would need to be operated by LH proper, with fares and revenue expectations probably set accordingly. Last time I checked, we were still under the curse of "close to LHR", with LH umming and erring about whether a route would be competitive against AF/KL, or just cannibalise existing LHR-FRA/MUC traffic.
The LH regular fliers are up in arms, etc.
Meanwhile, I'm going to be trying out using DUB as my starting point for longhaul on LH/*A, using EI for positioning. As well as avoiding UK APD, the fares on LH ex-DUB are substantially lower than ex-UK. It's just a shame that there's no mid-day EI flight - I have to find excuses for long meetings in DUB!
Germany may have got more difficult again, at least with Lufthansa. LH have decided that they will split their European business into two operations. LH (the existing company) will only operate European routes to/from FRA or MUC. All other European routes will move over to 4U (Germanwings) on 01JAN, on a "economy flying" model (aka, slightly upmarket LCC - akin to EZY, I would have thought). 30 aircraft will move from LH to 4U.
That would mean any BRS-FRA/MUC route would need to be operated by LH proper, with fares and revenue expectations probably set accordingly. Last time I checked, we were still under the curse of "close to LHR", with LH umming and erring about whether a route would be competitive against AF/KL, or just cannibalise existing LHR-FRA/MUC traffic.
The LH regular fliers are up in arms, etc.
Meanwhile, I'm going to be trying out using DUB as my starting point for longhaul on LH/*A, using EI for positioning. As well as avoiding UK APD, the fares on LH ex-DUB are substantially lower than ex-UK. It's just a shame that there's no mid-day EI flight - I have to find excuses for long meetings in DUB!
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Good to hear from you again B T.
As usual, you seem to have summed up the situation accurately. Air France is reducing a lot of its short haul European destination frequencies and BRS is due to see fewer flights next summer, so that might help a bit but in itself wouldn't be the tipping point.
Don't forget that BHX is just up the road too with LH to FRA and MUC amongst its German portfolio.
When LH (Eurowings) operated BRS-FRA April 2008-April 2009 the route was building well enough (99,000 passengers in that period) but then came the deep recession and LH decided that FRA from LHR, BHX and BRS was too much of a good thing. BRS was the newest route of the three and the least developed, and doubtless the one with the least potential especially in such straitened times so it was the obvious one to go. Had the recession not occurred BRS-FRA might well have survived but that can be said about numerous routes from airports around most of the globe. I know that you are familiar (at first hand) with the recent BRS-FRA situation but others might not be.
It may well be then that if BRS is to see an expansion into Germany in the forseeable future the best that might be hoped for is a point to point route. It's not to be sneezed at but it would clearly be of much less value than a LH one into FRA with onward connections.
As usual, you seem to have summed up the situation accurately. Air France is reducing a lot of its short haul European destination frequencies and BRS is due to see fewer flights next summer, so that might help a bit but in itself wouldn't be the tipping point.
Don't forget that BHX is just up the road too with LH to FRA and MUC amongst its German portfolio.
When LH (Eurowings) operated BRS-FRA April 2008-April 2009 the route was building well enough (99,000 passengers in that period) but then came the deep recession and LH decided that FRA from LHR, BHX and BRS was too much of a good thing. BRS was the newest route of the three and the least developed, and doubtless the one with the least potential especially in such straitened times so it was the obvious one to go. Had the recession not occurred BRS-FRA might well have survived but that can be said about numerous routes from airports around most of the globe. I know that you are familiar (at first hand) with the recent BRS-FRA situation but others might not be.
It may well be then that if BRS is to see an expansion into Germany in the forseeable future the best that might be hoped for is a point to point route. It's not to be sneezed at but it would clearly be of much less value than a LH one into FRA with onward connections.
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CAA stats September 2012
Last year's best ever September was just beaten this year.
619,997 passengers were handled in the month, up just 0.4% on September 2011. This was achieved despite a drop of 5.8% in atms, something that has been going on at BRS for several years.
Rolling 12-month figure was 5,866,309, up 1.8% on a year ago. 2010 and 2011 saw small percentage passenger rises and 2012 looks as though it will too.
A poster on another forum who is always well-informed on BRS matters has said that there is 'much more' to come at the airport in 2013 in terms of route announcements, so perhaps the falling atm trend will at last be halted.
619,997 passengers were handled in the month, up just 0.4% on September 2011. This was achieved despite a drop of 5.8% in atms, something that has been going on at BRS for several years.
Rolling 12-month figure was 5,866,309, up 1.8% on a year ago. 2010 and 2011 saw small percentage passenger rises and 2012 looks as though it will too.
A poster on another forum who is always well-informed on BRS matters has said that there is 'much more' to come at the airport in 2013 in terms of route announcements, so perhaps the falling atm trend will at last be halted.
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TCX - Summer 2013
Looks like the TCX timetable on their website has been updated and although not complete, a second A320 will be needed at BRS next summer matching this summer.
There are currently 23 departures at the moment with large gaps on Wed and Fri, and 2 departures using only one aircraft on a Monday and Saturday so I'm sure there will be more flights released soon.
Couple of additions so far; PMI will be up to 3x weekly from 2x weekly in 2012 and DLM will be up to 5x weekly at the height of Summer 2013!
There are currently 23 departures at the moment with large gaps on Wed and Fri, and 2 departures using only one aircraft on a Monday and Saturday so I'm sure there will be more flights released soon.
Couple of additions so far; PMI will be up to 3x weekly from 2x weekly in 2012 and DLM will be up to 5x weekly at the height of Summer 2013!
From what an engineer said to me the other night was that TCX were going to only have one based A320 and EZY would do the rest. How reliable that information is I don't know, probably vey unreliable.
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A poster on another forum who is always well-informed on BRS matters has said that there is 'much more' to come at the airport in 2013
There are certainly a number of Thomas Cook holidays advertised next summer using easyJet as well as the TCX flights.
Robert Sinclair, the BRS CEO, was a guest on a local radio show yesterday and chatted about the airport and its prospects. He is optimistic that 2013 will see passenger numbers similar to the airport's best ever year in 2008 when over 6.2 million passengers were handled. CAA stats show the latest 12-month rolling total as 5.866 million.
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'Much more to come'
Hello cracking jet.
I have no specific details as I'm repeating a comment in another forum from someone who I know is well informed about matters at BRS and who doesn't normally post comments unless they have substance. It appears to allude to new routes though whether new airline (s) as well is unclear.
I'll PM you the link to the other forum site and you can read for yourself if you wish.
Aer Lingus Regional 3rd DUB flight Fri and Sun
Ryanair has dropped to 2 x daily from 3 this winter so it seems that EI has seen a gap.
Hello cracking jet.
I have no specific details as I'm repeating a comment in another forum from someone who I know is well informed about matters at BRS and who doesn't normally post comments unless they have substance. It appears to allude to new routes though whether new airline (s) as well is unclear.
I'll PM you the link to the other forum site and you can read for yourself if you wish.
Aer Lingus Regional 3rd DUB flight Fri and Sun
Ryanair has dropped to 2 x daily from 3 this winter so it seems that EI has seen a gap.
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Personally i would like to see some A321's in Bristol.
Only ones you seem to get are the charters from Austrian operating to Innsbruck.
Also i read somewhere, can't remember where but Air France should be upgrading their aircraft from the ATR 45 to there Embraer 145 ?
And i read on another website that TnT was operating a night freight flight using there 737-300 from Bristol? starting sometime in OCT, but the post seems to be deleted now.?
Only ones you seem to get are the charters from Austrian operating to Innsbruck.
Also i read somewhere, can't remember where but Air France should be upgrading their aircraft from the ATR 45 to there Embraer 145 ?
And i read on another website that TnT was operating a night freight flight using there 737-300 from Bristol? starting sometime in OCT, but the post seems to be deleted now.?