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Old 15th Nov 2010, 20:33
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I note that Bristol/Newark had 8944 pax with Continental in Oct; shame it is closing, or has it closed yet? The yield must be poor as BFS is said to be profitable and it had only 8832 passengers in Oct!

Any sign of a replacement carrier?

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Old 15th Nov 2010, 21:49
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Every time I fly, I hear reasons why BRS didn't work out, and none of them are down to absolute passenger numbers.

On my list, as heard from crew and other associated people (although I appreciate these rumours recycle themselves)
  • BusinessFirst loads poor - not enough pax
  • BusinessFirst yields were poor - too many pax not paying full fare, or on upgrades
  • Economy yields were poor (too many seats going at S and L fares)
  • Winter passenger numbers were too light, and CO don't like running partial or seasonal schedules
  • No cargo opportunities because of the runway length at BRS
  • Softest cut to make in order to free a 757 for an additional LHR rotation
  • Facilities at BRS (no airbridges - a number of crews have commented on this)

I must admit, I suspect that BFS, EDI, GLA survive because the alternative airports for the States are inconvenient. BRS really suffers a perception problem - it feels faster from North Bristol to bomb down the M4 to LHR than tootle down the Portway and A38 to BRS.

I don't have much short-term expectation of any scheduled long-haul from BRS. I think the route team would get better results concentrating on a set of (affordable) hub connections, which give access to a selection of carriers and destinations.

Just my 2p-worth.
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Old 17th Nov 2010, 23:45
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Ezy @ Brs

I was browsing the new easyJet route map and saw that the airline flies to a total of 43 different destinations from Bristol, although of course not all at the same time (as some are seasonal).
According to the route map that places Bristol in 3rd position with regards to the number of destinations served from a hub after Geneva with 49 and London Gatwick at 86!
I have always known that BRS has been a major base for EZY but I didn't realise that we still held such a top spot out of the easyJet hubs especially after the rapid expansion at MXP, CDG and MAN recently.
Thought i'd share that.
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 07:34
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Interesting stuff- never realised BRS was 3rd...
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 11:14
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In response to Bristol Traveller - there was no cargo because the airport was unable to provide such facilities. Whilst runway length posed a problem for some days (09 and only 5-10% of the time), there was plenty of capacity for cargo. It was carried in the early days but forwarders and CO had bad experiences with Ward Aviation.

The airport has never had any really interest in providing cargo facilities, as proven in their master plan. Without this I believe they are doomed in trying to get any major carrier link.

Shame as there is a big demand with Avonmouth just down the road.
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 11:32
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Why is the airport not interested in cargo? Seems like a good way to boost income?

I guess they are restricted quite heavily on departures/ arrivals PH and pax give higher yields than cargo?

Also does Filton do much in the way of cargo flights? If they do, I am not aware of it.

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Old 18th Nov 2010, 16:44
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In response to Bristol Traveller - there was no cargo because the airport was unable to provide such facilities. Whilst runway length posed a problem for some days (09 and only 5-10% of the time), there was plenty of capacity for cargo. It was carried in the early days but forwarders and CO had bad experiences with Ward Aviation.
That's interesting. I'd heard from two people on separate occasions, but they'd drawn the assumption it was down to load restrictions. If it was a facilities issue, that is a different view.

I assume a contributory issue is that CO was the only scheduled long-haul out of BRS. I don't know what impact requiring daily "enhanced" security checks, business class catering and cargo handling would have on an airport that doesn't have other long-haul flights - wouldn't it make it disproportionately expensive and complicated?
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 16:52
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Does the KL AMS flights variate between 3 and 4 daily? Random dates throw up an extra flight to AMS at 08:50.
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Old 18th Nov 2010, 17:26
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KLM

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I can only find three a day with a change of time in respect of the first inbound/second outbound from Bristol next summer compared to now.

KLM have stated that they are bringing back their 6th bank and some routes would be increased (some have been announced) to connect with this bank.

The summer timetable shows quite a bit of time changes re the morning/early afternoon and mid afternoon UK departures but none extra for Bristol as yet but I assume it is not too late for summer 2011.

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Old 19th Nov 2010, 09:51
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OltonPete, you are correct regarding the daily frequency.. however KL1050 seems to have moved to 08:50 from 11:25 on dates for Summer 2011. This means there is a departure from AMS to BRS at 08:05, perhaps fitting in with the early morning bank of arrivals.

I must have misread the change of schedule as an extra flight.
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Old 19th Nov 2010, 17:27
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First class catering was never a problem, First Choice managed to get some impressive cargo loads when they could.

But with a cargo facility that didnt open weekends or before 9am on weekdays it was doomed.

Also having a facility that was only reached by a single track road put off the big trucks needed by the forwarders.
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Old 24th Nov 2010, 10:06
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Sorry if this has been mentioned...

SMALL PLANET ENTERS UK MARKET

Small Planet Airlines is to position a Boeing 737-300 at Bristol airport from December.

November 23: Lithuianian carrier Small Planet Airlines is to position a Boeing 737-300 at Bristol airport from December 2010 to support contracts to the Canary Island and several European ski resorts over the winter 2011 season.

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Old 24th Nov 2010, 19:12
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Thats good new for Bristol then, do we know which tour operator it is supporting?
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Old 24th Nov 2010, 19:24
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Small Planet Airlines will initially operate weekly charter flights Bristol-Chambery for tour operator Esprit, Cork-Fuerteventura for Irish tour operator Sunway and Dublin-Geneva for tour operator Topflight.
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Old 24th Nov 2010, 23:26
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Small Planet Airlines will initially operate weekly charter flights Bristol-Chambery for tour operator Esprit, Cork-Fuerteventura for Irish tour operator Sunway and Dublin-Geneva for tour operator Topflight.
No Charter flight between Cork-Fuerteventura for any irish tour operator.
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Old 25th Nov 2010, 19:45
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so from 1 based unit to 1 rotation?

enough metal on the ground during the winter for that to be a non story!!

Whats happened with the S2000 trips from Germany? Seasonal reduction or what?
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Old 25th Nov 2010, 20:44
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Whats happened with the S2000 trips from Germany? Seasonal reduction or what?
You mean the OLT to Bremen? Think that one is pretty much sold out to Airbus.

If ticket prices are anything to go by anyway..
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Old 25th Nov 2010, 20:58
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Hello cym

The OLT still seems to be operating daily to/from Bremen Monday to Friday.

I'm sure you're aware that it used to operate from Filton to Bremen/Hamburg as a sort of inhouse transport for Airbus but that it was switched to Lulsgate a few years ago to try to carry members of the public as well, presumably to defray Airbus's costs.

The Hamburg leg was dropped a couple of years ago and rotations to Bremen later reduced to daily on weekdays most of the time. They were once around 9 x weekly.

Passenger numbers aren't great for much of the time but it seems that it still serves Airbus's purpose.

easyJet

A report appeared in the business section of the Bristol evening newspaper recently regarding easyJet and the airport.

Carolyn McCall, easyJet CEO, was quoted and this is a summary of the points mentioned.

1. Bristol is important to the airline because it is their largest (UK?) hub outside London.

2. The airline is always looking at new opportunities and new areas, hence the introduction of several new winter destinations this year. If there is a demand from passengers then they will take a close look at routes.

3. As part of their customer experience programme the airline has been talking to the airport about the way its passengers are bussed to the aircraft.

4. The airline did well in Bristol even though the industry was brought to a standstill twice by the volcanic ash cloud and the harsh winter. Ms McCall said: "We were really impressed with the way Bristol handled the snow at the start of the year. It was really impressive the way everyone got involved in helping to clear the snow as quickly as possible."

There is now less need for bussing given the construction of the western walkway and I thought the low cost airlines did not like air bridges as turn-arounds can be slowed down.
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Old 1st Dec 2010, 08:20
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Monarch doing 2 Gambia/Cape Verde flights over xmas period, but nothing bookable after these dates on Gambia Experiance website, flights were due to be operating throughout winter season with Hamburg Intl until they went under.
Any likelyhood of finding a carrier for rest of season? plenty of spare airframes around the country during winter period.
Any diverts in last night with snow in east of uk?
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Old 1st Dec 2010, 08:40
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Was informed last week by Gambia Experience that despite best efforts they have not been able to source an airline for the season from Bristol or Stansted so in a word no...
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