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Merchant venturer and watabench,
Yes you are both indeed correct - apologies!
I was under the impression that the TCX A320 was a summer based aircraft, but i stand corrected.....
Yes you are both indeed correct - apologies!
I was under the impression that the TCX A320 was a summer based aircraft, but i stand corrected.....
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It seems to balance out for next summer apart from the loss of the Air Malta A320…
1 x FCA 757 remains
1 x XLA 738 remains
1 x TOM 757 becomes the second FCA 757
1 x FCA 757 becomes a TCX A320
1 x MYT A320 becomes the second TCX A320
I say that a FCA 757 becomes a TCX A320 as Thomas Cook holidays ‘share’ on most of the FCA flights, a couple are flown just for Thomas Cook holidays, carrying no First Choice holidays customers, so this business is being taken in house.
1 x FCA 757 remains
1 x XLA 738 remains
1 x TOM 757 becomes the second FCA 757
1 x FCA 757 becomes a TCX A320
1 x MYT A320 becomes the second TCX A320
I say that a FCA 757 becomes a TCX A320 as Thomas Cook holidays ‘share’ on most of the FCA flights, a couple are flown just for Thomas Cook holidays, carrying no First Choice holidays customers, so this business is being taken in house.
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Other than the vicinity, it perplexes me why BRS get drawn in to comparisons with CWL on this board. There is no competition. CWL is more in league with EXT size-wise. EXT staff don't take every opportunity to score points against BRS and if anything they aspire to be more like BRS! (Thier gripe is more with PLH! 
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BRS handles 3 times that of CWL and are closer to BHX in pax numbers! Obviously Cardiff envy the success of Bristol but the catchment area is that much greater so that is geographically to be expected!
) BRS handles 3 times that of CWL and are closer to BHX in pax numbers! Obviously Cardiff envy the success of Bristol but the catchment area is that much greater so that is geographically to be expected!
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Finally someone with a bit of sense, it is time to stop comparing CWL and BRS, its obvious that BRS in pax figures and airlines are years ahead of CWL, as Birdscarer says, CWL is really down in the leagues of EXT and BOH nowadays, its harsh to say, but true! Sorry CWL... but reality has to bite at some point 
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embraernotworthy, this thread is in response to a constant barrage of threads by CWL posters who are constantly snapping at the heels of BRS posters on a tit-for-tatt basis! (Both Airports are guilty though!) By all means they can raise issues regarding future expansion of both airports as we are after all neighbours, but as much as this is a rumour network, CWL is not on parr with BRS. FACT.
Its also worth remembering that CWL recieve a boost in RDA (or the like) funding. If EXT can get on with the job in hand without funding, why cant Cardiff?
Its also worth remembering that CWL recieve a boost in RDA (or the like) funding. If EXT can get on with the job in hand without funding, why cant Cardiff?
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'We love you Bristol, we do, we love you Bristol, we do...............'
'Cardiff keeper's going home in a body bag!'
'We are going up, oh we are going up!'
Sorry, someone mentioned footie.
Anyhoo, one has heard that the new carrier coming soon is not the Luftwaffe, er, I mean Lufthansa.
Haven't found out who it is yet though.
Ah yes, the huge Heathrow. I am sinking low enough to use it myself in the coming weeks. But only cos the Conty was fully booked for my dates. Guess I should have booked earlier.
'Cardiff keeper's going home in a body bag!'
'We are going up, oh we are going up!'
Sorry, someone mentioned footie.
Anyhoo, one has heard that the new carrier coming soon is not the Luftwaffe, er, I mean Lufthansa.
Haven't found out who it is yet though.
Ah yes, the huge Heathrow. I am sinking low enough to use it myself in the coming weeks. But only cos the Conty was fully booked for my dates. Guess I should have booked earlier.
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One thing I do like about the BRS board is the optimism shown! Always a case of when not if! For example most people are convinced that the are to be new German routes with a full service carrier - shame there isn't that kind of optimism on the CWL thread!
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Anyhoo, one has heard that the new carrier coming soon is not the Luftwaffe, er, I mean Lufthansa. Haven't found out who it is yet though.
Looking at their website, they have little representation in the south west, promote themselves as a full service airline, seem to be adding alot of aircraft and regularly fly to the airports in Germany dropped by BA - Dusseldorf, Munich and Frankfurt, but also easyJet's dropped Hamburg route. (Although I do believe the Munich will be picked up by us Orange folk)
Thought i'd have my tupence worth....
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Air Berlin... flying all over Germany - via STN.... once a day. Brilliant.
I still believe that the real value in bringing a new carrier to BRS would be not only to operate a point-point service to destinations in Germany, but also to provide some proper hubbing opportunities as an alternative to the somewhat flaky KL operation.
BRS-FRA is one thing. BRS-FRA-VIE, BRS-FRA-CPH, BRS-FRA-MAD, BRS-FRA-DXB, BRS-FRA-SIN, BRS-FRA-ICN... now *that's* worth having.
I still believe that the real value in bringing a new carrier to BRS would be not only to operate a point-point service to destinations in Germany, but also to provide some proper hubbing opportunities as an alternative to the somewhat flaky KL operation.
BRS-FRA is one thing. BRS-FRA-VIE, BRS-FRA-CPH, BRS-FRA-MAD, BRS-FRA-DXB, BRS-FRA-SIN, BRS-FRA-ICN... now *that's* worth having.
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Would that be the same Air Berlin who are pulling out of Belfast City and may need to find something else for their crews/aircraft to do?
Mmmm, now there's a rumour to be getting on with.
Mmmm, now there's a rumour to be getting on with.
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FCA/Thomsonfly merger
Reading the above mentioned thread regarding the formation of one airline from S08, Thomsonfly, who are wholy owned by the TUI group have announced their decision to close the Brs base, what will happen to the present FCA operation at Brs when they too come under full ownership of the TUI group?. Was the Thomsonfly decision to pullout self driven or did it come from TUI and if so, how will this effect the FCA operation next year at Brs when the two become Tuifly
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I guess we will have to suck it and see. Its all up in the air and probably will be for a few months. They are unlikely to withdraw all thier services but stupider things have happened! (For the definition of 'Stupid' see also 'FlyBe'!)
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or an alternative definition - "birdscarer" - The BACon ops were not commercially viable.
It would be a big blow if FCA and TOM full ops left BRS in addition to the KM A320. Maybe XLA would look at basing a second B738 orr even a B739 (one day) there
It would be a big blow if FCA and TOM full ops left BRS in addition to the KM A320. Maybe XLA would look at basing a second B738 orr even a B739 (one day) there
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Regarding your comment "ADC2604" TOM are only pulling out because of the merger & they can't compete with FCA at BRS so they will focus on CWL where they are popular, funny as only a few years ago TOM was big at BRS & FCA at CWL just goes to show how things can change so quick due to demand. KM are removing their aircraft due to completion from EZY on routes like AGP, ALC & FAO,etc which XL holidays has operated this summer. XL will not add an extra A/C next summer, as far as i'm aware it will be FCA 2x757s plus the 767 on long haul, MYT 1xA320, XL 1x B738 & TCX 1xA320 as part of the MYT/TCX merger i think & the TOM will operate on a "W" pattern maybe. If anyone can shed anymore light on this matter feel free to help.......
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ADC2604. I am guessing you work closely with Flybe as only someone who does would be hoodwinked into thinking these were not profit making routes. Someone will pick these routes up and will prove you otherwise.
In the mean time though I would be interested to hear where you get this notion from? I have spoken to pretty senior BACon staff regarding the matter and they stated we were one of the only profit making bases for the airline. Secondly I have worked closely with Flybe myself in the past and would often be seen sporting an 'I'm with Stupid' tee-shirt, so on previous experiences I have had with them and given their popularity since, I will continue rewarding them with the said 'Idiot' title issued in my earlier post and may even upgrade it to 'inept'! Any questions?
In the mean time though I would be interested to hear where you get this notion from? I have spoken to pretty senior BACon staff regarding the matter and they stated we were one of the only profit making bases for the airline. Secondly I have worked closely with Flybe myself in the past and would often be seen sporting an 'I'm with Stupid' tee-shirt, so on previous experiences I have had with them and given their popularity since, I will continue rewarding them with the said 'Idiot' title issued in my earlier post and may even upgrade it to 'inept'! Any questions?
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It would certainly be a major surprise if the TUI/FCA company pulled out of BRS altogether.
In recent years around 1.3million to1.4 million charter pax have used BRS annually with the lion's share going to TOM and FCA and their associated companies. This is a lot of trade to give up.
As for Flybe's relationship with BRS, I am not in the business at all but I do have some sources and as soon as it was announced (last November I think)that Flybe would be taking over BACon there was speculation that BRS would fare badly.
It was the only BACon/Flybe airport at that time not to be specifically mentioned in Flybe's future plans, so they must have worked quickly to establish that BRS was a BA loss maker or would be a loss maker to Flybe.
Even before this there were strong rumours circulating around BRS that Flybe had taken the hump with the airport because easyJet had come in on some of Flybe's routes leading to the latter pulling out of them.
It is true that no other carrier has yet picked up the former BACon routes to FRA, MUC, DUS and ZRH, but those to MXP and CDG are now operated by the ubiquitous easyJet with Air France doing CDG as well at 3 x daily, and the former Flybe routes to TLS and BOD are also now operated by the aforementioned Orange Airbus.
easyJet is carrying at least double the number of pax that BACon/Flybe carried on these routes, and in some cases four or five times more, so one can only assume that with the right product these routes are not loss makers.
Indeed, Ryanair is starting a daily flight to its version of Milan (Bergamo) in November alongside easy's daily to Malpensa so, to an outsider at least, it does seem odd that Flybe thought there were not enough punters to make at least the Milan and Paris viable.
easyJet carried nearly 9,000 pax to TLS in July and over 8,000 to BOD (and well over 5,000 to nearby La Rochelle on what was not even a daily flight then).
It is probable that Flybe pulled out of BRS (except for the daily JER) for perfectly sound commercial reasons from its perspective, preferring to concentrate on nearby EXT where a Big Bad Orange or Harp was unlikely to trump its ace, but to give the clear impression that all of BACon's BRS routes were loss-making and that, if they were, Flybe itself would be unable to turn at least some of them around (and thus pulled out) is something that is still regarded with scepticism in some quarters around BS48.
In recent years around 1.3million to1.4 million charter pax have used BRS annually with the lion's share going to TOM and FCA and their associated companies. This is a lot of trade to give up.
As for Flybe's relationship with BRS, I am not in the business at all but I do have some sources and as soon as it was announced (last November I think)that Flybe would be taking over BACon there was speculation that BRS would fare badly.
It was the only BACon/Flybe airport at that time not to be specifically mentioned in Flybe's future plans, so they must have worked quickly to establish that BRS was a BA loss maker or would be a loss maker to Flybe.
Even before this there were strong rumours circulating around BRS that Flybe had taken the hump with the airport because easyJet had come in on some of Flybe's routes leading to the latter pulling out of them.
It is true that no other carrier has yet picked up the former BACon routes to FRA, MUC, DUS and ZRH, but those to MXP and CDG are now operated by the ubiquitous easyJet with Air France doing CDG as well at 3 x daily, and the former Flybe routes to TLS and BOD are also now operated by the aforementioned Orange Airbus.
easyJet is carrying at least double the number of pax that BACon/Flybe carried on these routes, and in some cases four or five times more, so one can only assume that with the right product these routes are not loss makers.
Indeed, Ryanair is starting a daily flight to its version of Milan (Bergamo) in November alongside easy's daily to Malpensa so, to an outsider at least, it does seem odd that Flybe thought there were not enough punters to make at least the Milan and Paris viable.
easyJet carried nearly 9,000 pax to TLS in July and over 8,000 to BOD (and well over 5,000 to nearby La Rochelle on what was not even a daily flight then).
It is probable that Flybe pulled out of BRS (except for the daily JER) for perfectly sound commercial reasons from its perspective, preferring to concentrate on nearby EXT where a Big Bad Orange or Harp was unlikely to trump its ace, but to give the clear impression that all of BACon's BRS routes were loss-making and that, if they were, Flybe itself would be unable to turn at least some of them around (and thus pulled out) is something that is still regarded with scepticism in some quarters around BS48.
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Spot on MV.
BRS never sat easy with Flybe as it was seen as a major distraction for their main EXT base. With easyJet's continued expansion and now Ryanair also, I'm sure they still believe this was the right decision. But the instant the Flybe takeover of BA Con was announced, there was a mass exodus to the crew room door; long before the closure was announced, no one in BA BRS believed Flybe would stay.
Bar the Germanic region, the BA routes have been picked up by other carriers with at least as much capacity as BA ever out on. FRA slots are in short supply which limits potential carriers to one that already has an FRA slot to spare. Not sure about MUC & ZRH, but it may be the same.
BRS never sat easy with Flybe as it was seen as a major distraction for their main EXT base. With easyJet's continued expansion and now Ryanair also, I'm sure they still believe this was the right decision. But the instant the Flybe takeover of BA Con was announced, there was a mass exodus to the crew room door; long before the closure was announced, no one in BA BRS believed Flybe would stay.
Bar the Germanic region, the BA routes have been picked up by other carriers with at least as much capacity as BA ever out on. FRA slots are in short supply which limits potential carriers to one that already has an FRA slot to spare. Not sure about MUC & ZRH, but it may be the same.
